Is it possible to have secular conservatism?

[Deleted member 15004]

Not talking about libertarian shi btw that's not even conservative value-wise

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Libertarianism is conservative for America. That was their past status quo.

 

[Deleted member 15004]

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Libertarianism is conservative for America. That was their past status quo.

libertarianism is economic conservatism with free-market ideals and less government intervention sure but when I said conservatism I was referring to typical conservative VALUES and ideals.

 

[Deleted member 17791]

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libertarianism is economic conservatism with free-market ideals and less government intervention sure but when I said conservatism I was referring to typical conservative VALUES and ideals.

No such thing as typical conservative values. Monarchism is conservative in Europe but not in America because the USA was traditionally a republic.

It changes from country to country.

 

[Deleted member 15004]

No such thing as typical conservative values. Monarchism is conservative in Europe but not in America because the USA was traditionally a republic.

It changes from country to country.

I was thinking about it from an American perspective and the typical ideals they tend to believe in but yeah, it depends on the country in question. Here in Canada, a lot of our Conservative party members would be considered centrist or even liberal-leaning in the minds of the American people but you still have people here bitching about them being religious nutcases and shit even though our leftist liberal government (run by the illegitimate son of Fidel Castro)is pretty much a dictator, closing down protests, arresting those who oppose his mandates and whatnot.

Take abortion for example. The Republicans hold the view that God thinks life is sacred and other Christian perspectives to justify their oppositition but you could still make a secular argument for it by just saying that you don't wish to kill kids lol which is what some already do. Was thinking if you could remove the religious undertones from their other common views and replace it with secular justifications.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

political/economic conservativism (which is economic liberalism) or social conservativism (which is more rigid categories of acceptable social conduct and public morality)

Both are possible. China for example is socially very conservative but politically very secular and economically left wing

 

[Deleted member 17791]

I was thinking about it from an American perspective and the typical ideals they tend to believe in but yeah, it depends on the country in question. Here in Canada, a lot of our Conservative party members would be considered centrist or even liberal-leaning in the minds of the American people but you still have people here bitching about them being religious nutcases and shit even though our leftist liberal government (run by the illegitimate son of Fidel Castro)is pretty much a dictator, closing down protests, arresting those who oppose his mandates and whatnot.

Take abortion for example. The Republicans hold the view that God thinks life is sacred and other Christian perspectives to justify their oppositition but you could still make a secular argument for it by just saying that you don't wish to kill kids lol which is what some already do. Was thinking if you could remove the religious undertones from their other common views and replace it with secular justifications.

Sure you can, they should do that tbh.

 

[SLA]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

So no. All secularism leads to leftist death.

 

[Deleted member 15004]

China for example is socially very conservative

How so? They support abortions for example and I think you're looking at the One-Child Policy and using that as an example but that's an example of there more liberal views, they're willing to have less children while conservatives tend to have more kids and less restricted about this stuff.

economically left wing

outside of their fucky land ownership and distribution stuff where they're the owners while others I presume rent stuff, is their economy actually left wing? never gave me that impression tbh

 

[Deleted member 4430]

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

and this chap is surprised that he is an incel in his twenties

 

[Wallenberg]

Yeah it's possible.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

How so? They support abortions for example and I think you're looking at the One-Child Policy and using that as an example but that's an example of there more liberal views, they're willing to have less children while conservatives tend to have more kids and less restricted about this stuff.

There's nothing liberal about restricting births of people for the greater good of population control.

outside of their fucky land ownership and distribution stuff where they're the owners while others I presume rent stuff, is their economy actually left wing? never gave me that impression tbh

Yes they are, they're wrong to call themselves Communist but they're further to the left economically than the majority of countries. Huge development, low debt, fairly high taxes, decent redistribution, worker laws are also good considering the economics of china

 

[rand anon]

political/economic conservativism (which is economic liberalism) or social conservativism (which is more rigid categories of acceptable social conduct and public morality)

Both are possible. China for example is socially very conservative but politically very secular and economically left wing

 

[Deleted member 15004]

There's nothing liberal about restricting births of people for the greater good of population control.

anti-natalism is primarily a Western Liberal ideal and if not that most certainly an American Liberal one, and in the current political setting, pro-choice activists have made headlines and they are primarily liberals as well so I don't know what you're basing that off of. Are you using old political science textbooks, I'm thinking about things in the modern era, real world context.

Huge development, low debt, fairly high taxes, decent redistribution, worker laws are also good considering the economics of china

But see that's the thing. You say their worker laws are good relative to their large population but how can you make that claim when their media is entirely controlled and dictated by the state? You're only seeing what the CCP wants you to see.

Also, low debt is liberal? Low debt tends to be conservative as they oppose the welfare spendings and welfare state that liberals want and support, which increases spending and tax burden and leads to debt like what happened here in Ontario under the Liberal provincial government that plunged this province into debt for which they were ousted and a Conservative politican was elected as Premier.

 

[rand anon]

Yeah it's possible.

"berg"

 

[Deleted member 15004]

I should do more research on this btw was interested in learning more about this idealogy but forgot about it

 

[rand anon]

I should do more research on this btw was interested in learning more about this idealogy but forgot about it

Nazbol/4th theory is the only way forward

 

[Deleted member 18522]

The USSR was the best thing to happen to humanity in the 20th century

 

[SLA]

and this chap is surprised that he is an incel in his twenties

Its not surprising, I'm subhuman.