Is it really the masseter that gives jaw width and gonion?

[DaGullas]

For example, his gonion is very good but rounded, so is it caused by masseter hyperthrophy?

 

[hairyballscel]

For example, his gonion is very good but rounded, so is it caused by masseter hyperthrophy?

yes

 

[DaGullas]

yes


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So the masseter goes down when it gets bigger?

 

[hairyballscel]

So the masseter goes down when it gets bigger?

yes

 

[Deleted member 5349]

Yes. I used to have a habit where I chewed exclusively on one side, and the muscle tone was substantially larger on that side. My jaw and zygos were far more defined on that side. I’ve since started chewing falim on the other side to build up the muscle tone and my jaw is becoming more defined and my cheek is starting to hollow out on that side

 

[DaGullas]

Yes. I used to have a habit where I chewed exclusively on one side, and the muscle tone was substantially larger on that side. My jaw and zygos were far more defined on that side. I’ve since started chewing falim on the other side to build up the muscle tone and my jaw is becoming more defined and my cheek is starting to hollow out on that side

So u have a better defined gonion?

 

[DaGullas]

yes

I think this guy kinda has some bruxism, that got controlled and gave him his killer jaw

 

[DaGullas]

Tbf i think opry has bruxism, if u check his smile, his teeth are like half of what they should be. Thats a sign of bruxism.

 

[Deleted member 4410]

I wish bigonial width increased with masseters' hypertrophy. The reality is quite different though. My gonions are slightly below the mouth level (ideal right?) but masseters' insertions are fucked. No muscle mass goes to the lower parts near the gonions. All I get is overgrowth in upper parts which leads to even worse potato look than without chewing.

 

[hairyballscel]

I wish bigonial width increased with masseters' hypertrophy.

they can

 

[Deleted member 4410]

they can

Yeah people get bruxism for a reason, but doesn't it depend on the insertions?

 

[DaGullas]

I wish bigonial width increased with masseters' hypertrophy. The reality is quite different though. My gonions are slightly below the mouth level (ideal right?) but masseters' insertions are fucked. No muscle mass goes to the lower parts near the gonions. All I get is overgrowth in upper parts which leads to even worse potato look than without chewing.

Mine is at the gonion level bro, i dont know if different people have different insertions

 

[hairyballscel]

but doesn't it depend on the insertions?

maybe, no one has posted a single real life example of the effect of different insertions

 

[hairyballscel]

Tbf i think opry has bruxism, if u check his smile, his teeth are like half of what they should be. Thats a sign of bruxism.

his jaw is shit, i doubt it tbh

 

[Deleted member 4410]

maybe, no one has posted a single real life example of the effect of different insertions

True that. I feel like you cant really fix the potato jaw look after the puberty. You need heavy forces early on to remodel the gonions. Everything after that will lead to the ugly look.

 

[hairyballscel]

True that. I feel like you cant really fix the potato jaw look after the puberty. You need heavy forces early on to remodel the gonions. Everything after that will lead to the ugly look.

are u sure you're not high BF%? And chewing doesn't stop working once ur out of puberty

 

[Deleted member 4410]

are u sure you're not high BF%? And chewing doesn't stop working once ur out of puberty

I am (cutting), but I can still feel where all the muscle mass goes and people who dont see me often notice it too (my mother told me to straight up stop doing that, beucase I looked like a "potato")

 

[DaGullas]

his jaw is shit, i doubt it tbh

But have u seen his teeth? They are like half of they should be

 

[didntreadlol]

yes


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Does it affect your chin aswell? Or is it only ramus?

 

[hairyballscel]

But have u seen his teeth? They are like half of they should be

nothing crazy tbh

 

[hairyballscel]

Does it affect your chin aswell? Or is it only ramus?

i don't think chewing will do much for your chin tbh,

 

[DaGullas]

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nothing crazy tbh

Other pics look worse tbf

 

[hairyballscel]

Other pics look worse tbf

look at his jaw doe, very unlikely

 

[DaGullas]

Does it affect your chin aswell? Or is it only ramus?

I would legit be more than happy to get a jaw like this.

 

[hairyballscel]

I am (cutting), but I can still feel where all the muscle mass goes and people who dont see me often notice it too (my mother told me to straight up stop doing that, beucase I looked like a "potato")

you might be bloated, if it really looks bad look into botox, that is last resort imo

 

[DaGullas]

Imagine she had a better chin. Killer jaw instantly like the guy from dolce gabbana i posted

 

[didntreadlol]

I would legit be more than happy to get a jaw like this.

I think that looks very unaesthetic and weird. As a male you need a protrusive square chin to go along with your jaw otherwise your lower third will look feminine

 

[hairyballscel]

Imagine she had a better chin. Killer jaw instantly like the guy from dolce gabbana i posted

im gonna chewmax like that then get sliding genio for the chin tbh

 

[DaGullas]

I think that looks very unaesthetic and weird. As a male you need a protrusive square chin to go along with your jaw otherwise your lower third will look feminine

Thats what im telling, a little bit less than that and with a nice chin, it really is a killer jaw. Dont forget she looks bloated

 

[DaGullas]

im gonna chewmax like that then get sliding genio for the chin tbh

I have prettymuch the same plan, a little bit less than what she has

 

[hairyballscel]

a little bit less than what she has

jfl ofc

 

[Celexawer]

yes

So you saying that masseter insertions don't exactly matter?

 

[hairyballscel]

So you saying that masseter insertions don't exactly matter?

That’s not what I’m saying, but everyone that says masseter insertions are extremely important can show a pic of someone with bad insertions, which makes me doubt it’s importance

 

[LowTierNormie]

I always had the theory that clenching your jaw (so your masseters get more pronounced) is a nice way of seeing how they would look after your train them. Not sure if it is correct tho

 

[Celexawer]

That’s not what I’m saying, but everyone that says masseter insertions are extremely important can show a pic of someone with bad insertions, which makes me doubt it’s importance

Yeah my view is the same dude

 

[Celexawer]

I always had the theory that clenching your jaw (so your masseters get more pronounced) is a nice way of seeing how they would look after your train them. Not sure if it is correct tho

I doubt it

 

[Bewusst]

I wish bigonial width increased with masseters' hypertrophy. The reality is quite different though. My gonions are slightly below the mouth level (ideal right?) but masseters' insertions are fucked. No muscle mass goes to the lower parts near the gonions. All I get is overgrowth in upper parts which leads to even worse potato look than without chewing.

You might wanna look into my thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-braces-with-rubber-bands-ruined-my-lower-third.159079/

Did you receive orthodontic treatment or do you currently have any kind of malocclusion?

 

[Deleted member 4410]

You might wanna look into my thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-braces-with-rubber-bands-ruined-my-lower-third.159079/

Did you receive orthodontic treatment or do you currently have any kind of malocclusion?

Im about to get treated for an edge to edge bite.

 

[Bewusst]

Im about to get treated for an edge to edge bite.

Underbite treatment (or in your case, edge to edge) wouldn‘t have this effect on main masseter contraction, I believe. It doesn‘t fix the mandible in a retruded position like overbite braces treatment did in my case

 

[Lev Peshkov]

It's ramus flare

 

[Deleted member 4410]

It's ramus flare

more like gonion

 

[Lev Peshkov]

more like gonion

copeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Deleted member 4410]

copeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

U drunk? Whats that overreaction...