Is it still worth it to go Raffaini?

[BilateralOsteotomy]

guy is getting there on age
have other doctors caught up to him already?

 

[lurking truecel]

guy is getting there on age
have other doctors caught up to him already?

Could be worth for sur e

 

[Deleted member 91663]

guy is getting there on age
have other doctors caught up to him already?

Worth consulting, yes although I suspect Raffaini is overrated.

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

Worth consulting, yes although I suspect Raffaini is overrated.

i think other docs besides zarrinbal are overrated

 

[Deleted member 91663]

i think other docs besides zarrinbal are overrated

Most of the surgeons you’ve heard of on here have aggressive advertising.

I’m confident there are lots of unpromoted max facs out there that deliver the same results.

 

[dough]

he is like 70 years old

he will most likely die at the operating table if he was to operate on you

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

Most of the surgeons you’ve heard of on here have aggressive advertising.

I’m confident there are lots of unpromoted max facs out there that deliver the same results.

such as

 

[Elias De Poot]

Look on archives and old sites for threads going against him. when I was looking in lookism.net archives, I found many unsatisfied patients from different doctors complaining about their botched operations.

 

[Manfrommars]

guy is getting there on age
have other doctors caught up to him already?

Overcharges, numerous reports of alienating foreign clients, and edits his results

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

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Overcharges, numerous reports of alienating foreign clients, and edits his results

fuck, whats the best option

 

[LEFORT17]

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fuck, whats the best option

for italy i would def consider ramieri, havent seen any botches or complications after surgery

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

for italy i would def consider ramieri, havent seen any botches or complications after surgery

got any good before and afters?

 

[LEFORT17]

got any good before and afters?

check his instagram dr.maxilloroma he also posts videos of his patients so def no editing of patients

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

check his instagram dr.maxilloroma he also posts videos of his patients so def no editing of patients

hmm ok I took a look
he has good results, yes, but nothing extraordinary unlike Raffaini, unless he's been editing results since 1999? Raffaini's god some life changing results idk man
this guy is good too, maybe one could push him to his limit to make something really drastic
plus, Raffaini does perfect rhinoplasties

 

[LEFORT17]

got any good before and afters?

i like this one, bimax ccw with gonial/lower jaw implants can really ascend people

 

[LEFORT17]

hmm ok I took a look
he has good results, yes, but nothing extraordinary unlike Raffaini, unless he's been editing results since 1999? Raffaini's god some life changing results idk man
this guy is good too, maybe one could push him to his limit to make something really drastic
plus, Raffaini does perfect rhinoplasties

i feel like raffainis patients are generally a bit more challenging and yes often combined with rhinoplasty, lip filler and soft tissue procederes the outcomes are shocking good

 

[Manfrommars]

hmm ok I took a look
he has good results, yes, but nothing extraordinary unlike Raffaini, unless he's been editing results since 1999? Raffaini's god some life changing results idk man
this guy is good too, maybe one could push him to his limit to make something really drastic
plus, Raffaini does perfect rhinoplasties

No one’s preventing you, but there is a consensus here that Raffaini is way overpriced for what he does at this point

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

i feel like raffainis patients are generally a bit more challenging and yes often combined with rhinoplasty, lip filler and soft tissue procederes the outcomes are shocking good

No one’s preventing you, but there is a consensus here that Raffaini is way overpriced for what he does at this point

i heard Ramieri charges half of Raffaini, is it true?

 

[maracaton]

Read this horror story from 2d ago from reddit

 

[dough]

Read this horror story from 2d ago from reddit

damm

all the surgeons that were hype up here getting exposed.

alfaro, raffaini, etc

which surgeon does not have a big botch

ramieri does and pagnoni does also. they all do.

 

[LEFORT17]

damm

all the surgeons that were hype up here getting exposed.

alfaro, raffaini, etc

which surgeon does not have a big botch

ramieri does and pagnoni does also. they all do.

havent seen a botch by ramieri

 

[dough]

havent seen a botch by ramieri

he botched somebody recently guy posted it on reddit but it was deleted.

 

[LEFORT17]

he botched somebody recently guy posted it on reddit but it was deleted.

wasnt a ,,bad'' botch ngl the guy just didnt inform himself what movements are going to be done and was surprised by the outcome

 

[dough]

wasnt a ,,bad'' botch ngl the guy just didnt inform himself what movements are going to be done and was surprised by the outcome

ramieri didnt inform him he was going to get chin reduced and it was reduced too much

guy mentioned he had soft tissue sagging on his chin

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

Read this horror story from 2d ago from reddit

it sounds like falseflag to me, the person can also have body dysmorphia and Raffaini may be right
you can't just blindly believe posts like this, we need before and afters

 

[it_will_begin]

Read this horror story from 2d ago from reddit

fuck i'm having an appointment with him in 21 days and now i'm scared asf

 

[maracaton]

fuck i'm having an appointment with him in 21 days and now i'm scared asf

There are other good surgeons in italy bro its not over just go see him and get a feeling.

You could also book a consultation with ramieri or pagnoni u still got time, their emails are the following:

pagnoni: info@yourface.it his team responds usually within the day if u send a good structured email

ramieri: info@maxilloroma.it they also respond fast

If u wanna get some infor about these surgeons feel free to pm me or just search it up here on the org

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

fuck i'm having an appointment with him in 21 days and now i'm scared asf

i wouldn't be scared,i would just listen to him cause he clearly doesnt want to hear your opinion, it's easier like this even

There are other good surgeons in italy bro its not over just go see him and get a feeling.

You could also book a consultation with ramieri or pagnoni u still got time, their emails are the following:

pagnoni: info@yourface.it his team responds usually within the day if u send a good structured email

ramieri: info@maxilloroma.it they also respond fast

If u wanna get some infor about these surgeons feel free to pm me or just search it up here on the org

which one of the 2 you recommend? is it true they charge half of Raffaini?

 

[maracaton]

i wouldn't be scared,i would just listen to him cause he clearly doesnt want to hear your opinion, it's easier like this even

which one of the 2 you recommend? is it true they charge half of Raffaini?

ye they basically charge less

If u getting a bimax go with ramieri (21 - 25k) 100% he is like the goat of bimax, has ton of results on his ig page and price is good. He has recently started promoting implants and could also provide fat grafts.

Pagnoni asks for a bit more money for bimax (27k - 30k) he is also the goat but performs less bimax than ramieri every year. He is very skilled with implants (4k for supra and infra (8k for both) if combined with bimax) can design them himself and can also work with liam (giant implants). Also does rhino.

I think ramieri can also work with liam but im not really sure about that tho.

Liam is a good designer but he is not really trustworthy.



So if u getting bimax go with ramieri he won't fuck you up. (Good advancements will result in a more prominent lower third which wont follow a receded maxilla which would benefit from implants)


If u getting bimax + implants consult with both and ask for which plan u find better or who is willing to do what (pagnoni is more comfortable with his implant placement skills and will work with more agressive stuff if u ask him, but ramieri can also provide you with good results or even the same shit (if I knew further I would tell you but I havent seen any ramieri implant results))

-Also I would like to point out something @chrishell has repeatedly told users here about the need of fat grafting/face lift after any implant.


If u getting a rhino you could also go with pagnoni but he might ask for big price bc of reputation and shiet and lots of surgeons can give you same result.



Insane yapp

 

[chrishell]

ye they basically charge less

If u getting a bimax go with ramieri (21 - 25k) 100% he is like the goat of bimax, has ton of results on his ig page and price is good. He has recently started promoting implants and could also provide fat grafts.

Pagnoni asks for a bit more money for bimax (27k - 30k) he is also the goat but performs less bimax than ramieri every year. He is very skilled with implants (4k for supra and infra (8k for both) if combined with bimax) can design them himself and can also work with liam (giant implants). Also does rhino.

I think ramieri can also work with liam but im not really sure about that tho.

Liam is a good designer but he is not really trustworthy.



So if u getting bimax go with ramieri he won't fuck you up. (Good advancements will result in a more prominent lower third which wont follow a receded maxilla which would benefit from implants)


If u getting bimax + implants consult with both and ask for which plan u find better or who is willing to do what (pagnoni is more comfortable with his implant placement skills and will work with more agressive stuff if u ask him, but ramieri can also provide you with good results or even the same shit (if I knew further I would tell you but I havent seen any ramieri implant results))

-Also I would like to point out something @chrishell has repeatedly told users here about the need of fat grafting/face lift after any implant.


If u getting a rhino you could also go with pagnoni but he might ask for big price bc of reputation and shiet and lots of surgeons can give you same result.



Insane yapp

mirin yap

 

[sham66]

mirin yap

do u got any affordable surgeon recommendations for facelifts and fat grafting?

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

ye they basically charge less

If u getting a bimax go with ramieri (21 - 25k) 100% he is like the goat of bimax, has ton of results on his ig page and price is good. He has recently started promoting implants and could also provide fat grafts.

Pagnoni asks for a bit more money for bimax (27k - 30k) he is also the goat but performs less bimax than ramieri every year. He is very skilled with implants (4k for supra and infra (8k for both) if combined with bimax) can design them himself and can also work with liam (giant implants). Also does rhino.

I think ramieri can also work with liam but im not really sure about that tho.

Liam is a good designer but he is not really trustworthy.



So if u getting bimax go with ramieri he won't fuck you up. (Good advancements will result in a more prominent lower third which wont follow a receded maxilla which would benefit from implants)


If u getting bimax + implants consult with both and ask for which plan u find better or who is willing to do what (pagnoni is more comfortable with his implant placement skills and will work with more agressive stuff if u ask him, but ramieri can also provide you with good results or even the same shit (if I knew further I would tell you but I havent seen any ramieri implant results))

-Also I would like to point out something @chrishell has repeatedly told users here about the need of fat grafting/face lift after any implant.


If u getting a rhino you could also go with pagnoni but he might ask for big price bc of reputation and shiet and lots of surgeons can give you same result.



Insane yapp

interesting post, I'm good with implants, I don't think I need them, I need only bone stuff

Well, what differentiates Raffaini from those other 2 guys?

 

[it_will_begin]

There are other good surgeons in italy bro its not over just go see him and get a feeling.

You could also book a consultation with ramieri or pagnoni u still got time, their emails are the following:

pagnoni: info@yourface.it his team responds usually within the day if u send a good structured email

ramieri: info@maxilloroma.it they also respond fast

If u wanna get some infor about these surgeons feel free to pm me or just search it up here on the org

I will definitely make an appointment with Ramieri, but I don't think I will consider Pagnoni, he's not even active on social media

It was already hard to convince my parents to let me go with Raffaini (who is very well known and was recommended to us by many bluepilled surgeons we visited).

I don't think they will let me choose Ramieri, even if I like him more, he is active on social media, he is young, he does his new technique "implate". But my parents don't trust him, for the marketing, for the age, and for the stereotype that people from the south of Italy work worse than those in the north. (partly true)

at the end my parents are the ones who pay for my surgery so my preferences dont count too much...

 

[Deleted member 91663]

I will definitely make an appointment with Ramieri, but I don't think I will consider Pagnoni, he's not even active on social media

It was already hard to convince my parents to let me go with Raffaini (who is very well known and was recommended to us by many bluepilled surgeons we visited).

I don't think they will let me choose Ramieri, even if I like him more, he is active on social media, he is young, he does his new technique "implate". But my parents don't trust him, for the marketing, for the age, and for the stereotype that people from the south of Italy work worse than those in the north. (partly true)

at the end my parents are the ones who pay for my surgery so my preferences dont count too much...

Raffaini is very good. I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

Raffaini is very good. I wouldn't worry too much.

very good, who's excellent then? lmao
also, we should look into Zarrinbal

 

[Deleted member 91663]

very good, who's excellent then? lmao
also, we should look into Zarrinbal

No, I was using “very good” loosely.
Raffaini is excellent.
You’re doing a full European tour of maxillofacial surgeons?
Your parents are nice!

 

[it_will_begin]

i wouldn't be scared,i would just listen to him cause he clearly doesnt want to hear your opinion, it's easier like this even

which one of the 2 you recommend? is it true they charge half of Raffaini?

Only in surgeons here in Italy. The thing that worries me is that Raffaini won't make me ascend enough since it seems he doesn't do full face implants like Ramieri or Pagnoni. Or am I wrong?

 

[LEFORT17]

Only in surgeons here in Italy. The thing that worries me is that Raffaini won't make me ascend enough since it seems he doesn't do full face implants like Ramieri or Pagnoni. Or am I wrong?

just do bimax with him and get implants later with ramieri or pagnoni

 

[it_will_begin]

isnt all-in-one better? only 1 anesthesia, 1 recovery, cheaper. and more predictable outcome

 

[BilateralOsteotomy]

isnt all-in-one better? only 1 anesthesia, 1 recovery, cheaper. and more predictable outcome

I agree with the guy above, I mean, you only need implants if you're extremely subhuman
Bimax is the biggest ascension you'll achieve

 

[Artica339]

Lo soI went to Raffaini for a consultation on May 15th and he pointed out to me a colleague of his because given my situation he did not consider necessary bone movements. But I can tell you that it is God

 

[Artica339]

For my taste it is too conservative I prefer Pagnoni. But Raffaini is a god of symmetry

 

[Artica339]

Solo dai chirurghi qui in Italia. La cosa che mi preoccupa è che Raffaini non mi faccia salire abbastanza, visto che a quanto pare non fa protesi facciali complete come Ramieri o Pagnoni . O mi sbaglio?

Con I confirm that it does not use or integrate prostheses to bone movements. indeed he hates them

 

[it_will_begin]

Con I confirm that it does not use or integrate prostheses to bone movements. indeed he hates them

Why hating them? what's wrong with implants, especially titanium ones?

 

[Artica339]

He doesn't like foreign bodies in his face

Why hating them? what's wrong with implants, especially titanium ones?

 

[kingofkings]

I will definitely make an appointment with Ramieri, but I don't think I will consider Pagnoni, he's not even active on social media

If you're choosing surgeons based on their social media activity you might be choosing them for the wrong reasons

 

[it_will_begin]

If you're choosing surgeons based on their social media activity you might be choosing them for the wrong reasons

That's why I'm going almost surely to Raffaini. Any Italian surgeon will say that he's the best. It's Ramieri that have good marketing and it's not as experienced.

 

[it_will_begin]

update:

raffaini proposed me a too conservative plan, to fix the asymmetry he wants to reduce the thicker mandibular side (so i will have LESS BONES), since he doesn't use implants.

Next month i will talk to Ramieri, and i think i will choose him since he use titanium mandibular implants that will ascend me...

 

[LEFORT17]

update:

raffaini proposed me a too conservative plan, to fix the asymmetry he wants to reduce the thicker mandibular side (so i will have LESS BONES), since he doesn't use implants.

Next month i will talk to Ramieri, and i think i will choose him since he use titanium mandibular implants that will ascend me...

I feel like he aint a fan of implants, hes still doing a good job fixing asymmetry but i dont think it isnt the right move as a man removing bone

 

[it_will_begin]

exactly, but he's so arrogant that u can't contradict him: he has a plan in mind and you can't question it, he doesn't listen to you. That's why I'm going do Ramieri next month