Is it worth hooking up with someone uglier than u?

[Deleted member 7509]

Idk I am kinda down bad. I think of myself as a solid 4PSL, she is maybe around 3-ish PSL. Should I do it? I could practice and stuff, but idk if I could forgive myself after that. help out

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

pics

 

[Deleted member 7509]

pics

dont have. she snapped me them she lowkey ugly. At least not fat tho

 

[loksr]

Worth? Wtf do you think sex is? It literally doesn’t even matter, it’s a purely physical act, nothing about you will change if you don’t catch some disease like an idiot

“Can’t forgive myself” wtf is this autistic nonsense? What, you can’t forgive yourself for taking a shit either? Jfl you guys take everything so goddamn seriously, not a single thing in this world is serious

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

dont have. she snapped me them she lowkey ugly. At least not fat tho

bitch ass liar you got pics

 

[Deleted member 7509]

bitch ass liar you got pics

deadass none zero cap on god

 

[TUSSELEIF]

I can fuck any girl if she’s not a total subhuman, even if I mog her. I would do it if you have few options

 

[Deleted member 9670]

do it

 

[basedboob]

Do it just for the experience

 

[Broly]

I forgot which forum I was on for a sec

 

[Hot Neighbourhood]

no practice for your face

 

[RODEBLUR]

I think of myself as a solid 4PSL, she is maybe around 3-ish PSL.

Wow man i feel sooooo bad for you that's terrible

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

Idk I am kinda down bad. I think of myself as a solid 4PSL, she is maybe around 3-ish PSL. Should I do it? I could practice and stuff, but idk if I could forgive myself after that. help out

Practice bro tbh

 

[Deleted member 14503]

Idk I am kinda down bad. I think of myself as a solid 4PSL, she is maybe around 3-ish PSL. Should I do it? I could practice and stuff, but idk if I could forgive myself after that. help out

When ugly doggy style you shall grug says

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

I forgot which forum I was on for a sec

Did you get booted from .is?

 

[FootLongDong]

Depends on how thirsty you are.

My rule of thumb is if you wouldnt want your friends to see you with her she’s to ugly to stick it in

 

[randomuser2407]

You have 3 options, either:

1 - You focus on improving your looks and stop focusing on women
OR
2 - You have sex with ugly women for the rest of your life
OR
3 - You have sex with ugly women sometimes while still focusing on improving your looks.

To give you an idea, my jaw surgery made me go from invisible to being noticed by women who are as high as 8/10 in looks.
But that doesn't mean that they want to have sex with me.

In reality, I went from being only able to get a 4/10 girlfriend to being able to get an 8/10 girlfriend, just by getting a jaw surgery and being around 4 years older than when I was 18. The results didn't happen immediately after the surgery because it took me nearly a year to completely debloat, I did the surgery in 2018 but only noticed the results in 2020 so aging definitely had something to do with it especially since I have always looked younger than my age.

But, even now, it would still be very difficult for me to hookup with women in a bar or a club, simply because although I have a decent looking face, I have a skinny physique at a weight of only 180 lbs for my height of 6 foot 4. I look good for a relationship but I'm not at the fuckboy level yet, which means I still need to looksmax.

I'm sure that many guys on here think that looksmaxxing can be done in a very short time but that isn't always the case.

Building a muscular ripped physique as a natural lifter can take 3 years, and that is only if you are doing everything right, not taking long breaks and you had an average starting point in strength.

Getting a jaw surgery requires 2 years of orthodontics prior to the surgery and then, even after the surgery, you have to put on a retainer every night for the rest of your life to keep your teeth properly aligned. And it can take 8-12 months to fully debloat from the surgery so you will look weird until then.

But looksmaxxing is better than doing nothing because it means you won't have to settle for ugly women who have a bad personality. And you won't have to get into a relationship just to get laid if you only care about sex.

The worst situation that you can be in is one where you cannot looksmax, like if your jaw is already fine but you are somehow ugly anyways, then you can't really do anything.

 

[Deusmaximus]

You have 3 options, either:

1 - You focus on improving your looks and stop focusing on women
OR
2 - You have sex with ugly women for the rest of your life
OR
3 - You have sex with ugly women sometimes while still focusing on improving your looks.

To give you an idea, my jaw surgery made me go from invisible to being noticed by women who are as high as 8/10 in looks.
But that doesn't mean that they want to have sex with me.

In reality, I went from being only able to get a 4/10 girlfriend to being able to get an 8/10 girlfriend, just by getting a jaw surgery and being around 4 years older than when I was 18. The results didn't happen immediately after the surgery because it took me nearly a year to completely debloat, I did the surgery in 2018 but only noticed the results in 2020 so aging definitely had something to do with it especially since I have always looked younger than my age.

But, even now, it would still be very difficult for me to hookup with women in a bar or a club, simply because although I have a decent looking face, I have a skinny physique at a weight of only 180 lbs for my height of 6 foot 4. I look good for a relationship but I'm not at the fuckboy level yet, which means I still need to looksmax.

I'm sure that many guys on here think that looksmaxxing can be done in a very short time but that isn't always the case.

Building a muscular ripped physique as a natural lifter can take 3 years, and that is only if you are doing everything right, not taking long breaks and you had an average starting point in strength.

Getting a jaw surgery requires 2 years of orthodontics prior to the surgery and then, even after the surgery, you have to put on a retainer every night for the rest of your life to keep your teeth properly aligned. And it can take 8-12 months to fully debloat from the surgery so you will look weird until then.

But looksmaxxing is better than doing nothing because it means you won't have to settle for ugly women who have a bad personality. And you won't have to get into a relationship just to get laid if you only care about sex.

The worst situation that you can be in is one where you cannot looksmax, like if your jaw is already fine but you are somehow ugly anyways, then you can't really do anything.

So was your jaw surgery a classic bimax or combined with genio?
Are there any pictures available?

 

[chadison]

If you lose respect for yourself by hooking up with that woman, don't do it. But I agree with the reply by @loksr I really wouldn't be too concerned as in the long run you'll forget about it. If you're a virgin, you'll likely remember your first sexual experience more then the rest due to the emotional intensity, so try to hook up with just an average girl if you can get one so you don't imprint incorrectly. Otherwise, if you're attracted enough to her where it's enjoyable, do it to practice. If you're not attracted to her at all and it's not enjoyable, why in the fucking world would you want to have sex with her?

 

[Deleted member 14528]

I mean hit it ultra worth

 

[Deleted member 14274]

If you lose respect for yourself by hooking up with that woman, don't do it. But I agree with the reply by @loksr I really wouldn't be too concerned as in the long run you'll forget about it. If you're a virgin, you'll likely remember your first sexual experience more then the rest due to the emotional intensity, so try to hook up with just an average girl if you can get one so you don't imprint incorrectly. Otherwise, if you're attracted enough to her where it's enjoyable, do it to practice. If you're not attracted to her at all and it's not enjoyable, why in the fucking world would you want to have sex with her?

Sometimes I legit cannot even enjoy sex if I’m not attracted to the girl. Like it’s ok but it’s barely better than masturbation. And I’m not talking about ugly girls but even girls that are not my type, average looking, etc. I have to really be into the girl to enjoy the sex. Which is why I’m going on nofap to reduce my standards a bit and bang a larger variety of girls.

 

[randomuser2407]

So was your jaw surgery a classic bimax or combined with genio?
Are there any pictures available?

Knowing dating apps are 85 to 15 % in favour of males

what makes you keep trying???

looksmax.org

 

[Deusmaximus]

Knowing dating apps are 85 to 15 % in favour of males

what makes you keep trying???

looksmax.org

Impressive. What where your bimax movements? Famous surgeon?

 

[Deleted member 7509]

Update: okay, I fucked her

 

[oldcelloser]

You have 3 options, either:

1 - You focus on improving your looks and stop focusing on women
OR
2 - You have sex with ugly women for the rest of your life
OR
3 - You have sex with ugly women sometimes while still focusing on improving your looks.

To give you an idea, my jaw surgery made me go from invisible to being noticed by women who are as high as 8/10 in looks.
But that doesn't mean that they want to have sex with me.

In reality, I went from being only able to get a 4/10 girlfriend to being able to get an 8/10 girlfriend, just by getting a jaw surgery and being around 4 years older than when I was 18. The results didn't happen immediately after the surgery because it took me nearly a year to completely debloat, I did the surgery in 2018 but only noticed the results in 2020 so aging definitely had something to do with it especially since I have always looked younger than my age.

But, even now, it would still be very difficult for me to hookup with women in a bar or a club, simply because although I have a decent looking face, I have a skinny physique at a weight of only 180 lbs for my height of 6 foot 4. I look good for a relationship but I'm not at the fuckboy level yet, which means I still need to looksmax.

I'm sure that many guys on here think that looksmaxxing can be done in a very short time but that isn't always the case.

Building a muscular ripped physique as a natural lifter can take 3 years, and that is only if you are doing everything right, not taking long breaks and you had an average starting point in strength.

Getting a jaw surgery requires 2 years of orthodontics prior to the surgery and then, even after the surgery, you have to put on a retainer every night for the rest of your life to keep your teeth properly aligned. And it can take 8-12 months to fully debloat from the surgery so you will look weird until then.

But looksmaxxing is better than doing nothing because it means you won't have to settle for ugly women who have a bad personality. And you won't have to get into a relationship just to get laid if you only care about sex.

The worst situation that you can be in is one where you cannot looksmax, like if your jaw is already fine but you are somehow ugly anyways, then you can't really do anything.

you're correct but
1. i didnt wear a retainer after my bimax and my teeth are somewhat in the same perfect position as they were after the surgery; i cant wear my retainer and/or swallow my retainer during the night with my never ending mouthbreathing pbs and i think retainers are mostly a meme based on my experience
2. you're sure you're 180 lbs? maybe you are but not ripped right? at your height it would require 230 lbs ripped and muscular to be noticed in clothes srs
3. being "noticed" by hot women doesnt mean a thing; ive been "noticed" and smiled upon by hot asians as an ugly JBW but it didnt go anywhere so as long as shes not obviously flirting with you, a "smile"/IOI is nothing nowadays when she has 100s of Chads in her DMs
4. debloat you dont have to if you're at a sub 10% bf level
5. building a muscular natty physique takes 1 year of 80% efficiency if you do everything right and perhaps 90% the 2nd year- and this is from Menno Henselmans perhaps the top natty coach in the world srs; after that you looking at 2 lbs / year when doing evertyhing perfectly; natty lifting is generally a meme
6. i dont care about ltrs in 2021 its extreme cuckolding and you shouldnt either

 

[JackHanma]

this is such an autistic thing, thinking about numbers and PSL

Is she attractive to you? Do you want to fuck her? If so then fuck her, if not then don't.

 

[hebbewem]

Men can only hook up with women that are uglier

 

[randomuser2407]

you're correct but
1. i didnt wear a retainer after my bimax and my teeth are somewhat in the same perfect position as they were after the surgery; i cant wear my retainer and/or swallow my retainer during the night with my never ending mouthbreathing pbs and i think retainers are mostly a meme based on my experience
2. you're sure you're 180 lbs? maybe you are but not ripped right? at your height it would require 230 lbs ripped and muscular to be noticed in clothes srs
3. being "noticed" by hot women doesnt mean a thing; ive been "noticed" and smiled upon by hot asians as an ugly JBW but it didnt go anywhere so as long as shes not obviously flirting with you, a "smile"/IOI is nothing nowadays when she has 100s of Chads in her DMs
4. debloat you dont have to if you're at a sub 10% bf level
5. building a muscular natty physique takes 1 year of 80% efficiency if you do everything right and perhaps 90% the 2nd year- and this is from Menno Henselmans perhaps the top natty coach in the world srs; after that you looking at 2 lbs / year when doing evertyhing perfectly; natty lifting is generally a meme
6. i dont care about ltrs in 2021 its extreme cuckolding and you shouldnt either

For LTRs, it's only cuckolding if she's a slut. Usually, women who are extremely good looking tend to be more slutty, but fat women who are very promiscuous on Tinder will be just as slutty.

The best way to know if a woman is slutty or not is to look at how her family is like. If she has a strong father figure who is really controlling, then she is more likely to be traditional so she will be more loyal and possibly for her entire life. But if she grew up without a father or her father was a weak simp who let her do stupid shit, then she is more likely to be slutty and disloyal.

My little brother's girlfriend is a good example of a traditional woman who is quite ugly but so inexperienced and so controlled by her father that she is 100% loyal to my little brother and it is highly unlikely that she will cheat on him, even in 10-20 years or more.

However, most of the guys that I have seen who are in the same age range as me who have a girlfriend look to be in a situation where they are much more likely to be cheated on, especially those who are dating a Stacy or a Stacylite and are themselves only normie or subhuman in looks.

Also, there is another important aspect to consider, if you're too ugly to get laid consistently on a regular basis with lots of women, then you're better off getting into a relationship even if there is a risk that you could get cheated on, because that is still going to allow you to have sex. And for many men, they can only have sex if they are within a relationship, unless they're paying for it through a prostitute (which isn't the same experience anyways). So being in a relationship is fine as long as you're getting laid regularly and if she cheats on you, it doesn't matter because you can always find another woman to be your girlfriend.

In fact, if you just want sex and don't care about emotional attachment but lack the looks to get casual sex consistently, the best thing you can do is pump and dump by making women believe you want a relationship, and then using them only for sex during the honeymoon phase, and when they start withdrawing sex in the hopes of getting you to commit, you can just dump them and repeat the process with a new woman every single time. By doing this, you will get less sex partners than a Chad but much more sex in the grand scheme of things.

That is actually one thing that many guys on here don't realize, if you are in a relationship and you are getting sex on a daily basis, you are getting more sex than 99% of single men, and if you don't get married and you don't commit too much, you can keep having sex daily during your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and possibly even until you die, if you get on TRT when your testosterone levels crash as you get really old.

In my opinion, it's better to do that than to waste so much time trying to hookup with hundreds of women, and also, the more sex partners you have, the more likely you are to catch an STD, and the more STDs you have, the more likely you are to catch more STDs and most of them can't be cured. But if you restrict yourself only to long term relationships, you can have sex on a daily basis without ever being at risk of getting an STD.

And, if you get a vasectomy, you could have unprotected sex on a daily basis with a woman who loves you for the rest of your life. If the relationship fails, as long as you never marry, you can always start over with another woman, so you never have to be limited.

So many people here just want to be Chad but what you don't understand is that most of the women who have sex with Chads, tend to be sluts who have lots of STDs, not only that but they tend to only use men as sex objects and never develop a bond with anyone because they are incapable of love. And no, love isn't some blue pilled lie, love is a real genuine thing but it's not exactly as Disney movies try to make it seem, but it is a beautiful thing and I believe it is the lack of love that leads many men to hate their life, because they feel as though there is no purpose to life because their single life is hell, because they're sexually frustrated AND they are suffer from a lack of love and affection.


There are also more possibilities in the bedroom when you're in a relationship than when you're just having casual sex, it's easier for the man and woman to trust each other, so they can be kinkier and do more fun stuff and you never have to be alone.

Of course, it's not meant for everyone, but in my case, for too long, I have let the manosphere shame me and tell me to not get into a relationship, and because of that, I thought I was a volcel, but then I realized that many times, when i let myself think for myself, I discover that what I really want is to be in a relationship, that is where my username "copingvolcel" comes from, not my inability to get women, but rather my inability to accept that I actually would prefer to be in a long term relationship than to hookup with a bunch of random women. I chose that username as a reminder, in the hopes that one day, I would be able to be honest with myself and I think that that day has finally come because I can no longer enjoy porn, and I no longer fear having a bad relationship and I know that I can have the type of relationship that I want, one where I get to have sex often.

Usually, when men are cuckolds, it's for one of 2 reasons, either they are married beta providers who are dating a slutty woman who is out of their league (in looks) or they actually have a cuckold fetish and want to be dominated and humiliated by being "forced" to watch her have sex with another man (or a group of men). I personally think that there is nothing wrong with having a fetish, even if it makes the man a beta, as long as he knows at 100% certainty that it is what he really wants. As for the married beta provider, I think that what is wrong in that situation is that it's not consensual so it doesn't make him happy, it just ruins his relationship and his life, but it is kind of the man's fault for being naive enough to believe that he can turn a slut into a housewife.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Ok Chad