is it worth hopping on hgh (5ft,6.5) weigh around 10 stone 16yo

[Snucell]

I rlly wanna grow taller my height genetics lowk bumhole im alr taller than my mum and almost same height as my dad (bulgarian genetics looksmin) and on top of this im fat and my growth plates prolly gna close soon. Me being fat prolly makes me shorter asw cuz estrogen. I Reasearched a bit on hgh but the cons just seems so much worse than the pros like cardiomegaly, my heart is already kinda fucked form prolonged nicotine use (high bpm) so im not sure if it would be worth it in the long run. Any advice???

 

[itissoover]

You won't see as much as you'd hope but it will make a difference. Quit nicotine your baseline cortisol is too high therefore worse hormone profile, 140lbs 5ft 6 and fat is destroying your hormones. Nicotine is killing your REM sleep. Unironically you're looksminning so hard. You will regret not optimising your development, move to meat raw dairy and quality sleep before you even think about HGH.

 

[Snucell]

You won't see as much as you'd hope but it will make a difference. Quit nicotine your baseline cortisol is too high therefore worse hormone profile, 140lbs 5ft 6 and fat is destroying your hormones. Nicotine is killing your REM sleep. Unironically you're looksminning so hard. You will regret not optimising your development, move to meat raw dairy and quality sleep before you even think about HGH.

ive been meaning to quit nicotine soon and ur right abt the cortisol i feel like i get hella cortisol spikes, and your right about the sleep to bhai. Thing is tho im using the nic(snus form) as an appetite supressant to eat less so i can stick to a food plan ive made for myself. Do you reckon it would just be better if i quit now and just mentally stop myself from eating?

 

[itissoover]

ive been meaning to quit nicotine soon and ur right abt the cortisol i feel like i get hella cortisol spikes, and your right about the sleep to bhai. Thing is tho im using the nic(snus form) as an appetite supressant to eat less so i can stick to a food plan ive made for myself. Do you reckon it would just be better if i quit now and just mentally stop myself from eating?

Brother you're 16, fuck this noise of eating less. You need to be in a strong surplus of quality meat and raw dairy, why the fuck are you restricting calories when you are underdeveloped and 5ft 6. Please brother quit the nicotine and don't try to restrict into a deficit when your craniofacial development and bones in general aren't optimal. No point being lean if your facial bones have no mass and you are 5ft6 you will have zero dimorphism and no energy. Im glad you're here getting advice because at the moment you are making things much harder for yourself.

 

[pahadi mogger]

I rlly wanna grow taller my height genetics lowk bumhole im alr taller than my mum and almost same height as my dad (bulgarian genetics looksmin) and on top of this im fat and my growth plates prolly gna close soon. Me being fat prolly makes me shorter asw cuz estrogen. I Reasearched a bit on hgh but the cons just seems so much worse than the pros like cardiomegaly, my heart is already kinda fucked form prolonged nicotine use (high bpm) so im not sure if it would be worth it in the long run. Any advice???

The world is tough on short people. So you either go nuclear or you take it on the chin.

First of all, get pharmaceutical quality HGH. Nothing from a fly by night lab. You run 1.0 mg a day divided into two injections, 0.5 mg immediately after coming out of sleep, and 0.5 mg after you lift. This is not a suggestion. This is the baseline.

Now, HGH by itself is like an engine without a turbo. You stack it. You run CJC-1295 at 3 mg a week divided into 2 injections. You add 500 mcg Ipamorelin with each pin of HGH. Then you take 50 mg. MK-677 every night before sleep. It is overkill, but overkill is the objective. Your body has to be saturated with growth pulses 24/7.

Now on to the support drugs. This is the difference between genius and the idiots. You are fat, which means you have extra estrogen. That tells your growth plates to fuse. You wipe it out with 12.5 mg Aromasin every other day. Plus your thyroid is going to slow down on this much gear so you add 75 mcg T4 every day to keep your metabolism up. Plus you are 100% going to have insulin resistance, so you will take 1000 mg Metformin twice a day. Check your blood sugar before meals. If you don’t you might as well get ready for type II diabetes.

And your heart is going to be your weak link. You have already messed it up with nicotine. This protocol is going to stress it some more. You take 5 mg Nebivolol every day to control your heart rate and blood pressure. You need a heart echo every month. Your heart getting bigger is not a danger, it is a certainty.

Training is simple. Heavy squats and deadlifts 3 days a week until you have done your last rep. Jump. Hang from a bar. Stress your bones. For cardio you walk. That’s it. Your heart can’t take more.

Eat at maintenance calories, but 40% of it better be protein. Get your body fat down to single digits. Each pound of fat is an enemy pointing a gun at your growing.

The sides are not a maybe. They are a when. Your joints are going to hurt. You are going to hold water. You are going to age faster. Your heart and other organs are going to enlarge. You are going to trade years of your life for maybe an inch or two.

A short life is brutal. But a long life is brutal when you are looking up at everybody.

 

[Snucell]

Brother you're 16, fuck this noise of eating less. You need to be in a strong surplus of quality meat and raw dairy, why the fuck are you restricting calories when you are underdeveloped and 5ft 6. Please brother quit the nicotine and don't try to restrict into a deficit when your craniofacial development and bones in general aren't optimal. No point being lean if your facial bones have no mass and you are 5ft6 you will have zero dimorphism and no energy. Im glad you're here getting advice because at the moment you are making things much harder for yourself.

damn bro, harsh but true, i mean like i just dont wanna be fat for my teen years bro im a fucking truecel atm and im lacking behind all my friends im only one whos still a virgin and its js hella like embarrasaing, idk if its js cuz im hella nd or im chopped but i rlly do wanna lose weight, if i do do what ur saying and eat like quality meat and dairy would it really help my facial bone development. i dont even think my bones are THAT bad that like a 2 month cut is gonna fuck everything up. defo gna quit nic tho been on my list for a while.

 

[Aryan Incel]

I rlly wanna grow taller my height genetics lowk bumhole im alr taller than my mum and almost same height as my dad (bulgarian genetics looksmin) and on top of this im fat and my growth plates prolly gna close soon. Me being fat prolly makes me shorter asw cuz estrogen. I Reasearched a bit on hgh but the cons just seems so much worse than the pros like cardiomegaly, my heart is already kinda fucked form prolonged nicotine use (high bpm) so im not sure if it would be worth it in the long run. Any advice???

Just save for LL

 

[Snucell]

The world is tough on short people. So you either go nuclear or you take it on the chin.

First of all, get pharmaceutical quality HGH. Nothing from a fly by night lab. You run 1.0 mg a day divided into two injections, 0.5 mg immediately after coming out of sleep, and 0.5 mg after you lift. This is not a suggestion. This is the baseline.

Now, HGH by itself is like an engine without a turbo. You stack it. You run CJC-1295 at 3 mg a week divided into 2 injections. You add 500 mcg Ipamorelin with each pin of HGH. Then you take 50 mg. MK-677 every night before sleep. It is overkill, but overkill is the objective. Your body has to be saturated with growth pulses 24/7.

Now on to the support drugs. This is the difference between genius and the idiots. You are fat, which means you have extra estrogen. That tells your growth plates to fuse. You wipe it out with 12.5 mg Aromasin every other day. Plus your thyroid is going to slow down on this much gear so you add 75 mcg T4 every day to keep your metabolism up. Plus you are 100% going to have insulin resistance, so you will take 1000 mg Metformin twice a day. Check your blood sugar before meals. If you don’t you might as well get ready for type II diabetes.

And your heart is going to be your weak link. You have already messed it up with nicotine. This protocol is going to stress it some more. You take 5 mg Nebivolol every day to control your heart rate and blood pressure. You need a heart echo every month. Your heart getting bigger is not a danger, it is a certainty.

Training is simple. Heavy squats and deadlifts 3 days a week until you have done your last rep. Jump. Hang from a bar. Stress your bones. For cardio you walk. That’s it. Your heart can’t take more.

Eat at maintenance calories, but 40% of it better be protein. Get your body fat down to single digits. Each pound of fat is an enemy pointing a gun at your growing.

The sides are not a maybe. They are a when. Your joints are going to hurt. You are going to hold water. You are going to age faster. Your heart and other organs are going to enlarge. You are going to trade years of your life for maybe an inch or two.

A short life is brutal. But a long life is brutal when you are looking up at everybody.

holy reply, basically jus saying stay short but live long or be tall and live shorter, idk how desperate i am to grow to shave 10 years off my life, gna need lots of consideration and though but holy reply bhai

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

I rlly wanna grow taller my height genetics lowk bumhole im alr taller than my mum and almost same height as my dad (bulgarian genetics looksmin) and on top of this im fat and my growth plates prolly gna close soon. Me being fat prolly makes me shorter asw cuz estrogen. I Reasearched a bit on hgh but the cons just seems so much worse than the pros like cardiomegaly, my heart is already kinda fucked form prolonged nicotine use (high bpm) so im not sure if it would be worth it in the long run. Any advice???

No

 

[pahadi mogger]

You won't see as much as you'd hope but it will make a difference. Quit nicotine your baseline cortisol is too high therefore worse hormone profile, 140lbs 5ft 6 and fat is destroying your hormones. Nicotine is killing your REM sleep. Unironically you're looksminning so hard. You will regret not optimising your development, move to meat raw dairy and quality sleep before you even think about HGH.

This will do nothing for him btw and he will regret not hopping on hgh.

 

[pahadi mogger]

damn bro, harsh but true, i mean like i just dont wanna be fat for my teen years bro im a fucking truecel atm and im lacking behind all my friends im only one whos still a virgin and its js hella like embarrasaing, idk if its js cuz im hella nd or im chopped but i rlly do wanna lose weight, if i do do what ur saying and eat like quality meat and dairy would it really help my facial bone development. i dont even think my bones are THAT bad that like a 2 month cut is gonna fuck everything up. defo gna quit nic tho been on my list for a while.

he only thing he got right was quit the nic. everything else is cope.

sleep and clean food are a joke. you think a few extra hours of sleep will rewrite your genetic code? you think broccoli will widen your jaw? you are a child playing with toys when the house is on fire.

your body is a failed build. it constructs fat instead of bone. more meat just makes a prettier coffin. you don't need nourishment. you need a new blueprint. you need to hijack the system and force it to build what it refuses to build.

your friends aren't winning because they slept well. they're winning because their code is better. you cannot pray your way to a better frame. you cannot eat your way to a new skeleton.

the choice is chemical. inject the commands. override the system. or lie down and accept your place. there is no third option.

 

[itissoover]

he only thing he got right was quit the nic. everything else is cope.

sleep and clean food are a joke. you think a few extra hours of sleep will rewrite your genetic code? you think broccoli will widen your jaw? you are a child playing with toys when the house is on fire.

your body is a failed build. it constructs fat instead of bone. more meat just makes a prettier coffin. you don't need nourishment. you need a new blueprint. you need to hijack the system and force it to build what it refuses to build.

your friends aren't winning because they slept well. they're winning because their code is better. you cannot pray your way to a better frame. you cannot eat your way to a new skeleton.

the choice is chemical. inject the commands. override the system. or lie down and accept your place. there is no third option.

this guy is an idiot, broccoli is a strawman- i wouldn't advocate oxalates. HGH does not suddenly make you grow tons, you write like an autistic faggot. "iNjecT tHe CoMmaNds", "sleep and clean food are a joke. you think a few extra hours of sleep will rewrite your genetic code?" lets see you eat nothing but plants for a year and sleep 4 hours mate and see how you look and develop. Posting straight coal.

 

[Snucell]

this guy is an idiot, broccoli is a strawman- i wouldn't advocate oxalates. HGH does not suddenly make you grow tons, you write like an autistic faggot. "iNjecT tHe CoMmaNds", "sleep and clean food are a joke. you think a few extra hours of sleep will rewrite your genetic code?" lets see you eat nothing but plants for a year and sleep 4 hours mate and see how you look and develop. Posting straight coal.

lowk im w u he kinda forcing the whole do it or else, forcing the absolute as if their isnt an inbetween, i js thought it was a good reply cuz he sounded like he knew what he was on abt. gotta learn to do my own research

 

[pahadi mogger]

this guy is an idiot, broccoli is a strawman- i wouldn't advocate oxalates. HGH does not suddenly make you grow tons, you write like an autistic faggot. "iNjecT tHe CoMmaNds", "sleep and clean food are a joke. you think a few extra hours of sleep will rewrite your genetic code?" lets see you eat nothing but plants for a year and sleep 4 hours mate and see how you look and develop. Posting straight coal.

your entire argument is simply a series of emotional appeals made under the guise of wisdom. Let's go through it carefully.

You told a 16yr old kid to get in “strong surplus” with his closing growth plates. That is catastrophic advice. His body fat is already high. A surplus now has only one effect: it increases estrogen via aromatization. Estrogen is the basic chemical that seals off growth plates. You are actively counselling him to accelerate that process of which he is correctly trying to get rid.

You said "No point being lean if you have no mass in your facial bones.” This is a false dichotomy. He can start having a foundation of mass and high quality lean without being fat. You offer two extremes, soft and fat or lean and underdeveloped, while neglecting the point of it all, namely a high quality base that is lean and hormonally optimized from which to grow. Fat does not create mass in bone; it inhibits growth potential.

You have correctly diagnosed nicotine as a problem, and then contradicted this advice with an exhortation to get away from caloric control. He was using the nicotine as an appetite depressant - a bad tool for the job no doubt, but for a very real problem. Your answer? To remove this bad tool and remove his objective of controlling caloric intake. This is not an answer. It is capitulation.

You deride the phrase "inject the commands" but it is exactly what pharmacology does. HGH and peptides are not food. They are signaling molecules. They provide no building blocks but give new instructions to build to the body. Your "meats and dairy of quality" are the building blocks. His body has quit calling out for building blocks. You are piling them up in front of a closed building site.

Your challenge of "eat the plants and sleep four hours" is a straw man. Nobody advocates sabotage. We advocate forced evolution. You compare destructive self destruction to engineered enhancement. They are not the same.

You had said HGH would not make him grow “tons.” Correct. It gives him a small amount of growth. But at his genetic ceiling small amounts is everything. Your method gives no growth at all. It is the difference in the things about which you will not allow yourself to realize.

You are thus offering a way of being the healthiest possible version of his fate genetically. I am offering a way to rewrite that fate. You are playing for quality within the rules. I am playing to change the rules.

The building is on fire. You are advocating better furniture. I am giving him a fire extinguisher with a blueprint for a new house. Your counsel is not merely wrong. It works counterproductively for his specific, time sensitive situation, and is dangerous.

 

[pahadi mogger]

lowk im w u he kinda forcing the whole do it or else, forcing the absolute as if their isnt an inbetween, i js thought it was a good reply cuz he sounded like he knew what he was on abt. gotta learn to do my own research

You may think you are negotiating. You are not. You cannot negotiate with your body at this time.

Your growth plates are a construction site that is shutting down forever. Itissoover is like telling you to send more supplies to a construction site where the workers are being laid off. The supplies stack up like fat. The fat tells the place to hurry it up and shut down.

I am telling you to kidnap the foreman and force him to keep the site open. This requires a new signal. A chemical signal. You cannot eat this signal. You cannot sleep it into production.

You want to do research. Fine. Research how estrogen from fat tips bones. Research how growth hormone tells the plates to put the shut-down in stuff. You will see I cite biology. He is citing hopism.

 

[Snucell]

You may think you are negotiating. You are not. You cannot negotiate with your body at this time.

Your growth plates are a construction site that is shutting down forever. Itissoover is like telling you to send more supplies to a construction site where the workers are being laid off. The supplies stack up like fat. The fat tells the place to hurry it up and shut down.

I am telling you to kidnap the foreman and force him to keep the site open. This requires a new signal. A chemical signal. You cannot eat this signal. You cannot sleep it into production.

You want to do research. Fine. Research how estrogen from fat tips bones. Research how growth hormone tells the plates to put the shut-down in stuff. You will see I cite biology. He is citing hopism.

winning me back but its lowk js hella scary injecting a stack of like hgh and what not at 16 not knowing the full effects with potential risk involved. Ur absolute of live longer,shorter and worse or shorter and better is kind of something i agree with i just dont agree with absolutes, i feel theres allways an inbetween not everything is yes or no. Just from a logical standpoint that is. If i knew for 100% that my life would improve for the cost of 10yrs of my life i would take that any day, i just cant accept even with tons of medical research and stuff i still just cant trust the fact that in a couple years something new is going to come up saying something like "HGH causes cancer" which i swear it can asw (cell duplication?) or atleast speed up cancer and or chance of cancer. the weight of it all at my young impressionable age is just very heavy. tell me what you think

 

[pahadi mogger]

winning me back but its lowk js hella scary injecting a stack of like hgh and what not at 16 not knowing the full effects with potential risk involved. Ur absolute of live longer,shorter and worse or shorter and better is kind of something i agree with i just dont agree with absolutes, i feel theres allways an inbetween not everything is yes or no. Just from a logical standpoint that is. If i knew for 100% that my life would improve for the cost of 10yrs of my life i would take that any day, i just cant accept even with tons of medical research and stuff i still just cant trust the fact that in a couple years something new is going to come up saying something like "HGH causes cancer" which i swear it can asw (cell duplication?) or atleast speed up cancer and or chance of cancer. the weight of it all at my young impressionable age is just very heavy. tell me what you think

Look, I know how frightening it is. It seems so final.

But here is the truth: the "middle ground" that you're searching for is a myth. There is no compromise in biology. Your growth plates are doors that are closing, not slowly, but for good.

You worry about a hypothetical cancer risk in 20 years. I'm talking about the guaranteed reality of being 5'6" for the next 60. One is a possibility. The other is a life sentence.

You want to wait for research down the road, but your body is not waiting. The timeline of all this is not movable. While you are weighing the "what ifs," the definite fact by which everything is measured, that is, your final height, is being settled.

This is not about "yes" or "no." It is "now" or never. The middle ground is only a slower way of accepting the reality that you say you don't want.

It is heavy because the problem is real.

 

[Snucell]

Look, I know how frightening it is. It seems so final.

But here is the truth: the "middle ground" that you're searching for is a myth. There is no compromise in biology. Your growth plates are doors that are closing, not slowly, but for good.

You worry about a hypothetical cancer risk in 20 years. I'm talking about the guaranteed reality of being 5'6" for the next 60. One is a possibility. The other is a life sentence.

You want to wait for research down the road, but your body is not waiting. The timeline of all this is not movable. While you are weighing the "what ifs," the definite fact by which everything is measured, that is, your final height, is being settled.

This is not about "yes" or "no." It is "now" or never. The middle ground is only a slower way of accepting the reality that you say you don't want.

It is heavy because the problem is real.

ill sleep on it and see my plan of action

 

[itissoover]

ill sleep on it and see my plan of action

don't let his larp bother you, his pseudo bio-chemistry and call to action reads like hes Peter Thiel's boyfriend who's just found out about LLMs.

 

[Brian Weber]

r/sounding has great advice on this topic bhai