Is learning to code-specifically web development-a viable option in 2024 and beyond ?

[Deleted member 107732]

Been learning for a few days & this is just the beginning of a potentially VERY LONG path but every time I go on reddit, I see brainiacs struggling to even land an entry level role despite having made some pretty remarkable projects and having a working knowledge of a wide variety of programming languages, I personally don't even think I'll go beyond one language ( JavaScript ) since if I can't do something like a full-fledged eCommerce with one language, what the fuck is the point of adding more languages ? It's like not being able to speak your native tongue & starting to learn Japanese.


Anyways, apparently the market for Web Development is extremely saturated and competitive, is that true ? and does it mean there'll be no dice for me ? I truly am passionate about it so it shouldn't stop me but it's terribly demotivating since I've always been a NEET and it's getting too late for me ( 24 y.o now )


any inputs ?

 

[lurking truecel]

Incel job

 

[Deleted member 107732]

Incel job

Who cares if I can manage to do it at home I can't care less about the people in the industry, plus it's not like there's smoke shows waiting for me in other fields.

 

[lurking truecel]

Who cares if I can manage to do it at home I can't care less about the people in the industry, plus it's not like there's smoke shows waiting for me in other fields.

Your name is indian so I guess you belong

 

[Deleted member 107732]

Your name is indian so I guess you belong

I'm iranian you fuckwit do not do me like that.

 

[324554802984230598]

im iranian you fuckwit dont mess with me

 

[RICHCELDOM]

I can teach you but not for free.

Html,css,JavaScript,react ect

 

[Deleted member 107732]

im iranian you fuckwit dont mess with me

Thank you for bumping the post with your stupid comment.

 

[324554802984230598]

No problem fuck nigga

 

[Charisma]

I’ve just been doing Angular from home for the last year or so

Worth it if you’re in slums of Europe and can get a job in the US

I can safely say I’m richest among all my friends

 

[Deleted member 107732]

I’ve just been doing Angular from home for the last year or so

Worth it if you’re in slums of Europe and can get a job in the US

I can safely say I’m richest among all my friends

I'd be fine with something like $1000/mo which is like 5x the average monthly salary here below that I'd rather ropemaxx.

 

[Deleted member 107732]

I’ve just been doing Angular from home for the last year or so

Worth it if you’re in slums of Europe and can get a job in the US

I can safely say I’m richest among all my friends

what resources do you recommend for learning ?

 

[BoredPrince]

I’ve just been doing Angular from home for the last year or so

Worth it if you’re in slums of Europe and can get a job in the US

I can safely say I’m richest among all my friends

Wait you're from Europe and got a job in the US??

 

[BoredPrince]

The whole programming market is saturated as fuck, especially junior roles

I'm thinking about learning myself but I have doubts will I be able to land a job

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

Coding is dead

 

[Deleted member 32803]

Been learning for a few days & this is just the beginning of a potentially VERY LONG path but every time I go on reddit, I see brainiacs struggling to even land an entry level role despite having made some pretty remarkable projects and having a working knowledge of a wide variety of programming languages, I personally don't even think I'll go beyond one language ( JavaScript ) since if I can't do something like a full-fledged eCommerce with one language, what the fuck is the point of adding more languages ? It's like not being able to speak your native tongue & starting to learn Japanese.


Anyways, apparently the market for Web Development is extremely saturated and competitive, is that true ? and does it mean there'll be no dice for me ? I truly am passionate about it so it shouldn't stop me but it's terribly demotivating since I've always been a NEET and it's getting too late for me ( 24 y.o now )


any inputs ?

yeah its a great job

 

[Charisma]

what resources do you recommend for learning ?

Cracked udemy courses

The whole programming market is saturated as fuck, especially junior roles

I'm thinking about learning myself but I have doubts will I be able to land a job

yeah, it took capital investment though ( I paid to study my last year in an American college)
After that It was quite easy to get a job because I had some connections

 

[Deleted member 107732]

Cracked udemy courses

Whose courses on udemy do you recommend ? AFAIK Max & Jonas mogg.

 

[Charisma]

Whose courses on udemy do you recommend ? AFAIK Max & Jonas mogg.

yeah, just keep it to a mainstream level, Maximilian is pretty much the only thing I watched along with the courses I had at my uni, it’s important to do your own projects in themes that interest you

 

[IOS]

I can teach you but not for free.

Html,css,JavaScript,react ect

its free on yt boyo

 

[Deleted member 107732]

its free on yt boyo

YT is trash tbh, I have purchased like 30 udemy courses and they're incredibly boring even tho the quality is high, best I've found so far is odin project which is text-based.

 

[IOS]

YT is trash tbh, I have purchased like 30 udemy courses and they're incredibly boring even tho the quality is high, best I've found so far is odin project which is text-based.

if u wanna learn u can learn from anywhere

 

[Askeladd93270]

Didn't read but your sites can get monetized from what i heard, like social media videos so yes it's viable

 

[Shahnameh]

YT is trash tbh, I have purchased like 30 udemy courses and they're incredibly boring even tho the quality is high, best I've found so far is odin project which is text-based.

U expect tech nerds to be entertaining?

 

[basedblackpiller]

Jfl entry level development is a joke now it’s all outsourced to India. If you don’t already have a CS degree don’t bother. And web development is the easiest to outsource.

 

[BecomingHuman]

Only a couple of countries where it makes sense to become software engineer, I would say US, maybe Switzerland. I don't know about the situation in 3rd world.

But at least in western europe it's arguably the worst reward per effort thing you can do.

 

[basedblackpiller]

Only a couple of countries where it makes sense to become software engineer, I would say US, maybe Switzerland. I don't know about the situation in 3rd world.

But at least in western europe it's arguably the worst reward per effort thing you can do.

What would you recommend in Western Europe? Finance / sales?

 

[Deleted member 107732]

Only a couple of countries where it makes sense to become software engineer, I would say US, maybe Switzerland. I don't know about the situation in 3rd world.

But at least in western europe it's arguably the worst reward per effort thing you can do.

they outsource it to us turd worlders retard I'll be fine

 

[BecomingHuman]

What would you recommend in Western Europe? Finance / sales?

Hmm, if you can't do medicine then I don't know.

I heard that trades are good just because of easier entry and some trade jobs are really stable.

Ofcourse people could do STEM but I hope they don't expect rainbows.

 

[basedblackpiller]

Hmm, if you can't do medicine then I don't know.

Idk about other countries but medicine is slavery tier ropefuel in the uk for like 7-8 years until you become a consultant. Forced to move to random shitholes around the country, every month doing 4-8 12 hour long night shifts which destroy your sleep schedule.

I heard that trades are good just because of easier entry and some trade jobs are really stable.

True especially for people with average grades

Of course people could do STEM but I hope they don't expect rainbows.

Everything is outsourced from the UK, only STEM related career left is finance stuff imo

 

[basedblackpiller]

they outsource it to us turd worlders retard I'll be fine

Nobody is outsourcing anything to Iran buddy, have you seen the news?

 

[BecomingHuman]

Idk about other countries but medicine is slavery tier ropefuel in the uk for like 7-8 years until you become a consultant. Forced to move to random shitholes around the country, every month doing 4-8 12 hour long night shifts which destroy your sleep schedule.

True especially for people with average grades

Everything is outsourced from the UK, only STEM related career left is finance stuff imo

But it might take 4-5 years of high IQ in STEM to get entry job (starting 2025).

Basically to land first survivable job in software engineering you'll probably need to learn fundamentals, and understand how to write compilers, basic operating systems and so on...

Also not sure how stable and how long lasting the softare engineering career will be.

 

[BecomingHuman]

What do you think about going into media? Not necessary as a face of the company, but doing something there. Some people say it's the next industry after STEM will get oversaturated.

 

[basedblackpiller]

But it might take 4-5 years of high IQ in STEM to get entry job (starting 2025).

Math and CS are only 3 year degrees, other engineering is trash because everything is outsourced to china / India.

Basically to land first survivable job in software engineering you'll probably need to learn fundamentals, and understand how to write compilers, basic operating systems and so on...

You just need a CS degree but the salaries will not be as great as before and competition will be harder so more CS grads will work in other stuff like cyber security consultant etc which is mid.

Also not sure how stable and how long lasting the softare engineering career will be.

It’s stable but low demand, it will become more similar to engineering in the Uk where super intelligent people get paid low salaries even after decades of experience

 

[basedblackpiller]

What do you think about going into media? Not necessary as a face of the company, but doing something there. Some people say it's the next industry after STEM will get oversaturated.

Media as in start a YouTube channel / social media? Oversaturated

 

[User28823]

You claim to be passionate but refuse to learn more than one language? This field is a life long commitment to continuous learning, if you are not willing to expand your reach then do not bother proceeding.

The languages are easy to learn - especially the high level ones.

On top of that, there is a diverse ecosystem of frameworks and libraries for web development that have abstracted away most of the difficulties that used to be required from developers in the early days of web development, leaving most people who endeavor on this path lacking a fundamental understanding of what is happening under the hood, which ultimately pumps out shitty programmers.

Why are there so many languages? Well, because of passionate people wanting to contribute to the advancement of programming. You do realize if it wasn't for this, we'd still be writing code in assembly, right? Under the hood, all programming languages do the same thing, but specific ones make development in particular domains easier based on their design and intended environment. There's a reason web developers make websites using JavaScript or more robust, type-safe languages like TypeScript as opposed to C++, because one language was designed to more easily interface with a browser, the other wasn't.

As for the job market, yeah, its pretty rough right now. But if you were really as passionate as you make it out to be, you wouldn't actually care about that, because you'd build things anyway, job or not. Employers can distinguish those individuals too, btw.

Things are difficult even for like you said, people with lots of experience and projects under their belt. Does this mean tech is dead? ChatGPT took all the jobs !!!!!!! (jfl). No, the reality is we went from years of low interest rates and free money from the government enabling companies to hire anyone and everyone with buffer money to train them to now a sudden spike in interest rates subsequently forcing these companies to halt hiring and be very selective on who they hire, since they don't have free money to spend on training anyone and everyone like they used to. So what you're seeing now is a splurge of individuals who endeavored on this path after seeing how "easy" it was to get into tech and make money just a few years ago, now struggling to get in because of the rapid bust in the economy, consequently claiming "tech is dead".

To put it in analogous terms, imagine a pipe being flooded with water so much so that it cracks and overspills (government stimulus, free money) that then shut closed suddenly (interest rate hikes, tighter budgets), dramatically slowing the water, now only allowing a trickle of water to come through (extreme selectiveness of companies).

 

[Pendejo]

im iranian you fuckwit dont mess with me

"You do not want to awaken the wrath of my Persian ancestors buddy" ahh comment

 

[Deleted member 107732]

You claim to be passionate but refuse to learn more than one language? This field is a life long commitment to continuous learning, if you are not willing to expand your reach then do not bother proceeding.

The languages are easy to learn - especially the high level ones.

On top of that, there is a diverse ecosystem of frameworks and libraries for web development that have abstracted away most of the difficulties that used to be required from developers in the early days of web development, leaving most people who endeavor on this path lacking a fundamental understanding of what is happening under the hood, which ultimately pumps out shitty programmers.

Why are there so many languages? Well, because of passionate people wanting to contribute to the advancement of programming. You do realize if it wasn't for this, we'd still be writing code in assembly, right? Under the hood, all programming languages do the same thing, but specific ones make development in particular domains easier based on their design and intended environment. There's a reason web developers make websites using JavaScript or more robust, type-safe languages like TypeScript as opposed to C++, because one language was designed to more easily interface with a browser, the other wasn't.

As for the job market, yeah, its pretty rough right now. But if you were really as passionate as you make it out to be, you wouldn't actually care about that, because you'd build things anyway, job or not. Employers can distinguish those individuals too, btw.

Things are difficult even for like you said, people with lots of experience and projects under their belt. Does this mean tech is dead? ChatGPT took all the jobs !!!!!!! (jfl). No, the reality is we went from years of low interest rates and free money from the government enabling companies to hire anyone and everyone with buffer money to train them to now a sudden spike in interest rates subsequently forcing these companies to halt hiring and be very selective on who they hire, since they don't have free money to spend on training anyone and everyone like they used to. So what you're seeing now is a splurge of individuals who endeavored on this path after seeing how "easy" it was to get into tech and make money just a few years ago, now struggling to get in because of the rapid bust in the economy, consequently claiming "tech is dead".

To put it in analogous terms, imagine a pipe being flooded with water so much so that it cracks and overspills (government stimulus, free money) that then shut closed suddenly (interest rate hikes, tighter budgets), dramatically slowing the water, now only allowing a trickle of water to come through (extreme selectiveness of companies).

read my new thread I'm already making rapid progress.


I don't get the point of learning more than one language when JavaScript is capable of doing everything imaginable, like WHY ?


my only concern is now monetizing, I've already found my interest, I want to do eCommerce stuff but no gay shopify, I liked Nextjs,
if I find a way to make money even a little bit, it'd take a full army to stop, I REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS, the amount of dopamine rush I get after completing something is crazy even if that's just displaying items of an array on screen or toggling class based on click

 

[Deleted member 107732]

"You do not want to awaken the wrath of my Persian ancestors buddy" ahh comment

at least I'm not a faggot idolizing another man by putting him up as my pfp

 

[Pendejo]

at least I'm not a faggot idolizing another man by putting him up as my pfp

It's not that deep bro, you must be in the closet to even come up with a conclusion like that ngl.

 

[User28823]

read my new thread I'm already making rapid progress.


I don't get the point of learning more than one language when JavaScript is capable of doing everything imaginable, like WHY ?


my only concern is now monetizing, I've already found my interest, I want to do eCommerce stuff but no gay shopify, I liked Nextjs,
if I find a way to make money even a little bit, it'd take a full army to stop, I REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS, the amount of dopamine rush I get after completing something is crazy even if that's just displaying items of an array on screen or toggling class based on click

I would go on a rant but all I'll say is you'll realize why with more experience

 

[Deleted member 107732]

I would go on a rant but all I'll say is you'll realize why with more experience

is JS alone enough to land a few webdev roles to get a foot in the door ?
tho I heard freelance clients don't give a fuck about stack/tools.

 

[User28823]

is JS alone enough to land a few webdev roles to get a foot in the door ?
tho I heard freelance clients don't give a fuck about stack/tools.

For a job? No, having JS on your resume alone is not enough in 99% of cases

Freelancing is a different story, as it relies on what you can convince a client of accomplishing