Is maingaining a complete meme?

[Bl0odKn1ght]

Title.

 

[BigBallsLarry]

no its good

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

no its good

Would it not take forever to gain mass tho?

 

[BigBallsLarry]

Would it not take forever to gain mass tho?

no, you don't need anything more than a slight surplus and minimizing fat gain is meta right now anyway.

 

[ProBono]

If it's invented by looksmaxxers on tiktok: 100% meme
If it's invented by looksmaxxers on org: 80% meme
If it's invented by normies: 50% meme
If it's in BOTB: 30% meme

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

no, you don't need anything more than a slight surplus and minimizing fat gain is meta right now anyway.

slight surplus is not really maingaining tho, is it?

Also what is "slight" a 100, 200?

This is my main problem with it, really vague definition that changes alot based on who you ask

 

[BigBallsLarry]

slight surplus is not really maingaining tho, is it?

Also what is "slight" a 100, 200?

This is my main problem with it, really vague definition that changes alot based on who you ask

maingaining literally is a slight surplus

enough to increase muscle growth, not enough to cause fat gain.

how many calories it would be IG depends on your maintenance. for example I'm a small guy so my maintenance is around 2500-2600 cals. if i were to maingain id eat at a 125-150 clean surplus.

 

[d0wnpour_]

Title.

no maingaining is literally just the natural way most people gain muscle. going to the gym and just eating decently, not too much or too little, just consistent levels of calories. i did it and it worked

 

[repulse]

Lean bulk.

 

[Linus1888]

Over if you don’t roid. Don’t have to worry about this shit

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

Over if you don’t roid. Don’t have to worry about this shit

Seriously considering learning more abt it

I dont ever think i'll step a foot in the gym again naturally

 

[luca_.]

Title.

Just eat in a 100 calorie surplus

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

no it's not. There is no evidence that increasing calorie intake will directly assist in muscle gain.
Notice the "Directly" part. If you can't get enough nutrients on maintenance diet, then you'd see more gains on bulk.

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

no it's not. There is no evidence that increasing calorie intake will directly assist in muscle gain.
Notice the "Directly" part. If you can't get enough nutrients on maintenance diet, then you'd see more gains on bulk.

What do you mean by nutrients? Protein or what?

 

[laworg]

Title.

Not at all

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

What do you mean by nutrients? Protein or what?

If your maintenance diet is: 150g fat, 60g carbs, 160g protein, and then you go for a bulk and your bulk diet is: 160g fat, 300g carbs, 180g protein - then you will see more gains on the bulk.

But if you can manage your nutrients on maintenance diet then there is no difference in hypertrophy. At least I don't see how that would be the case.

Let's say your maintenance diet is: 90g fat, 250g carbs, 160g protein, then there is no point of bulking (unless you need to gain bodyweight/bodyfat of course) for hypertrophy.

 

[mogtivism]

Title.

Yes. I maingained first year of lifting and made zero gains. If you’re like skinnyfat(slight gut) just cut down all the way and then lean bulk.

If you’re fat do the same as above but with a longer cut. Maingaining only works first 2 months or something in the gym. Youtubers overhype that shit.

 

[mogtivism]

no it's not. There is no evidence that increasing calorie intake will directly assist in muscle gain.
Notice the "Directly" part. If you can't get enough nutrients on maintenance diet, then you'd see more gains on bulk.

You need the fucking calories(energy) to build muscle unless it’s like your first fucking month in the gym and even in that case you’re not building muscle, just learning how to use it.

 

[Bl0odKn1ght]

Yes. I maingained first year of lifting and made zero gains. If you’re like skinnyfat(slight gut) just cut down all the way and then lean bulk.

If you’re fat do the same as above but with a longer cut. Maingaining only works first 2 months or something in the gym. Youtubers overhype that shit.

Thats what i thought aswell

The youtubers also all have their own vague definition of the term

 

[mogtivism]

Thats what i thought aswell

The youtubers also all have their own vague definition of the term

They’ll first say “keep your calories at maintainance to grow muscle and lose fat at the same time!!1!!1”

When the angry skinnyfat/fat guy who bought the maingainer propaganda comes back after having wasted a year with no gains, they say

“Oh maingaining means to eat in a slight DEFICIT to lose fat while building muscle”(highly inefficient bordering impossible, you’d be better served cutting properly instead)

Or

“maingaining is not eating maintainance calories to lose bodyfat and gain muscle, it’s eating in a way that reduces your bodyfat percentage while increasing your lean mass!!111!!!1!”(describing a very lean bulk surplus)

And thus, they confuse everyone with their 7162525 different definitions ascribed to the same fucking word.

Just skip lamegaining all together. Bulk, or cut. That’s all there’s to it. The greatest mistake is failing to choose.

 

[-=t3rm1n4t0r_2005=-]

You need the fucking calories(energy) to build muscle unless it’s like your first fucking month in the gym and even in that case you’re not building muscle, just learning how to use it.

Yeah. You need calories, for example bodyfat.
And there is plenty of evidence when advanced athletes put on muscle mass in a caloric deficit.

 

[keife]

Title.

No your tdee includes the calories needed to gain weight u adding more will only leave u more plump.
U can also gain in a deficit

 

[mogtivism]

Yeah. You need calories, for example bodyfat.
And there is plenty of evidence when advanced athletes put on muscle mass in a caloric deficit.

No your tdee includes the calories needed to gain weight u adding more will only leave u more plump.
U can also gain in a deficit

I value my own experiences that say otherwise and the experiences of countless other gymgoers who’ve told me what happened when they tried “maingaining” over the ramblings of some gurus and scientists.