Is murdering a killer justifiable?

[Deleted member 33942]

 

[Deleted member 155121]

Yes but justification is manmade anyway an action does not need a reasoning but only will

 

[Deleted member 155219]

Depends who did he/she kill and why?

 

[Incelforeever]

If u think so. The only thing that matters is ur opinion

 

[Incelforeever]

Yes but justification is manmade anyway an action does not need a reasoning but only will

Exactly high iq

 

[Deleted member 33942]

Yes but justification is manmade anyway an action does not need a reasoning but only will

Exactly high iq

Without justification, all actions good or evil become equal. Will alone doesn't make something right even serial killers have "will". Justification is what separates justice from chaos

 

[Deleted member 33942]

Yes but justification is manmade anyway an action does not need a reasoning but only will

Exactly high iq

If will alone justifies action, then genocides, rapes, and torture are justifiable too because someone willed them.

 

[Deleted member 155121]

all actions good or evil become equal.

They already are objectively

Will alone doesn't make something right

Because 'right' is subjective and manmade.

Justification is what separates justice from chaos

True and that is the point.Manmade to control and set an order

 

[itzbegun]

Murdering a foid is

 

[Incelforeever]

Without justification, all actions good or evil become equal. Will alone doesn't make something right even serial killers have "will". Justification is what separates justice from chaos

Serial killers can have their own justifications "oh this nigga looked at me weird i had to kill him " all that matters is ur opinion and if u understand and are willing to face the consequences of ur actions than do what u gotta do

 

[AuraMaxxing]

 

[Incelforeever]

If will alone justifies action, then genocides, rapes, and torture are justifiable too because someone willed them.

Its not justifiable to you, doesnt mean its objectivly wrong. People can "justifie" anything.

 

[Deleted member 155121]

If will alone justifies action, then genocides, rapes, and torture are justifiable too because someone willed them.

They are not justified because justification is morality based and can be explained as 'Would most people in my situation do the same thing' which is the reason why its not objective and manmade.For an action will is the only thing required thats literally the only reason why someone acts on something because they want it or preferred it

 

[Deleted member 33942]

They already are objectively

Because 'right' is subjective and manmade.

True and that is the point.Manmade to control and set an order

Yes, morals are manmade, but that doesn’t make all actions equally valid or meaningless. We agree on some rules because without them, society collapses. So even if 'right' is subjective, we practically need justification and order to function. Saying 'all is subjective' is just avoiding the real question: Which rules keep us alive and free, and which don’t?

 

[Deleted member 33942]

They are not justified because justification is morality based and can be explained as 'Would most people in my situation do the same thing' which is the reason why its not objective and manmade.For an action will is the only thing required thats literally the only reason why someone acts on something because they want it or preferred it

"Will" explains why someone acts, but it doesn’t explain why it’s right or wrong. Everyone ‘wants’ something murderers, rapists included but society can’t run on ‘want’ alone. That’s why we create shared moral rules to limit harmful wants and protect people. Saying ‘will is enough’ ignores how chaos would instantly take over lmao

 

[Deleted member 155121]

"Will" explains why someone acts, but it doesn’t explain why it’s right or wrong. Everyone ‘wants’ something murderers, rapists included but society can’t run on ‘want’ alone. That’s why we create shared moral rules to limit harmful wants and protect people. Saying ‘will is enough’ ignores how chaos would instantly take over lmao

Yes, morals are manmade, but that doesn’t make all actions equally valid or meaningless. We agree on some rules because without them, society collapses. So even if 'right' is subjective, we practically need justification and order to function. Saying 'all is subjective' is just avoiding the real question: Which rules keep us alive and free, and which don’t?

You are changing the topic with these 2 replies.Your first point was the title which i answered as if you asked 'Can any action be justified' and i explained to you it is moral based which is subjective and that justification itself is not an objective reality.But yes nobody can argue against the existence of justification or morality and how it helped us form society.

 

[Deleted member 176406]

No because its not a natural continuation without the state. The state is an artificial destructive source of power so all consequences derived aren't legitimate. All actions done by the state are harmful to the people since it misallocates action which leads to it's and it's consequences demise, proving it wrong.

 

[Incelforeever]

"Will" explains why someone acts, but it doesn’t explain why it’s right or wrong. Everyone ‘wants’ something murderers, rapists included but society can’t run on ‘want’ alone. That’s why we create shared moral rules to limit harmful wants and protect people. Saying ‘will is enough’ ignores how chaos would instantly take over lmao

Yes the rules and laws are the consequences that the people that wanna murder and rape have to face. If they are willing to face it its up to them but objectivly they did nothing wrong, all that matters is ur opinion

 

[Deleted member 155121]

Yes the rules and laws are the consequences that the people that wanna murder and rape have to face. If they are willing to face it its up to them but objectivly they did nothing wrong, all that matters is ur opinion

And i dont understand his arguments when killing a killer can be justified easily

 

[Deleted member 33942]

You are changing the topic with these 2 replies.Your first point was the title which i answered as if you asked 'Can any action be justified' and i explained to you it is moral based which is subjective and that justification itself is not an objective reality.But yes nobody can argue against the existence of justification or morality and how it helped us form society.

Justification doesn’t need to be ‘objective’ in some cosmic sense it only needs to work in reality. Morality is manmade because we need rules to live together without chaos. Saying ‘will alone justifies action’ ignores that unchecked will leads to destruction, not society. So yes, justification is subjective, but it’s necessary and real and denying that just invites chaos

 

[Deleted member 80562]

Yes, if they killed someone who you care about

 

[Incelforeever]

And i dont understand his arguments when killing a killer can be justified easily

I mean yea its a no brainer eye for an eye

 

[Deleted member 155121]

Justification doesn’t need to be ‘objective’ in some cosmic sense it only needs to work in reality. Morality is manmade because we need rules to live together without chaos. Saying ‘will alone justifies action’ ignores that unchecked will leads to destruction, not society. So yes, justification is subjective, but it’s necessary and real and denying that just invites chaos

I never said will justifies an action i said its the only thing that is physically required.

They are not justified because justification is morality based and can be explained as 'Would most people in my situation do the same thing'

Which i explained here.Will itself solely does not justify an action.

 

[Deleted member 33942]

I never said will justifies an action i said its the only thing that is physically required.

Which i explained here.Will itself solely does not justify an action.

Saying 'will is physically required' is just stating the obvious cause of action, not its justification. Cause ≠ justification. Justification answers why an action should be accepted or allowed by others, not just why it happens. Morality and thus justification is a social construct because humans live in societies that demand shared standards beyond mere physical will. Ignoring this difference is conflating ‘doing’ with ‘being right.

 

[Deleted member 155121]

Saying 'will is physically required' is just stating the obvious cause of action, not its justification. Cause ≠ justification. Justification answers why an action should be accepted or allowed by others, not just why it happens. Morality and thus justification is a social construct because humans live in societies that demand shared standards beyond mere physical will. Ignoring this difference is conflating ‘doing’ with ‘being right.

You said the same thing 3 times as me and i replied twice so you can understand we are saying the same thing but you still dont get it

 

[Deleted member 33942]

You said the same thing 3 times as me and i replied twice so you can understand we are saying the same thing but you still dont get it

Lmao If we’re saying the same thing, then why dodge the real issue? Your ‘will is physically required’ says nothing about why some actions are justified and others aren’t. I’m pointing out that cause (will) and justification (social acceptance and reason) are fundamentally different. You’re stuck on the ‘will’ part, ignoring how societies decide what’s acceptable. That’s the whole debate. Don’t confuse agreeing on basics with resolving the core question.

 

[Deleted member 155121]

why some actions are justified and others aren’t.

MORALİTY

Lmao If we’re saying the same thing, then why dodge the real issue? Your ‘will is physically required’ says nothing about why some actions are justified and others aren’t. I’m pointing out that cause (will) and justification (social acceptance and reason) are fundamentally different. You’re stuck on the ‘will’ part, ignoring how societies decide what’s acceptable. That’s the whole debate. Don’t confuse agreeing on basics with resolving the core question.

Because you are looking at it in society's favor when im looking at it objectively.You didnt include society in the title.I wont repeat myself again

 

[Spur der Verwüstung]

I am a killer Come try me bitch

 

[Deleted member 175542]

No it's still murder

 

[Deleted member 33942]

MORALİTY

Because you are looking at it in society's favor when im looking at it objectively.You didnt include society in the title.I wont repeat myself again

Haha I win

 

[Incelforeever]

Lmao If we’re saying the same thing, then why dodge the real issue? Your ‘will is physically required’ says nothing about why some actions are justified and others aren’t. I’m pointing out that cause (will) and justification (social acceptance and reason) are fundamentally different. You’re stuck on the ‘will’ part, ignoring how societies decide what’s acceptable. That’s the whole debate. Don’t confuse agreeing on basics with resolving the core question.

No actions is objectivly justified the majority of people come together in a society and decide by their opinions what would be justified in their society and build laws around that. Back in ancient rome and greece it was normal and justified for grown man to be pedos nowdays its the worst crime on earth its all subjective the only thing that matters is what u think and if u can get away with it or dont care about getting away with it

 

[Deleted member 33942]

MORALİTY

Because you are looking at it in society's favor when im looking at it objectively.You didnt include society in the title.I wont repeat myself again

What is ur year of birth btw?

Feel free to PM

 

[Deleted member 176406]

That’s why we create shared moral rules to limit harmful wants and protect people. Saying ‘will is enough’ ignores how chaos would instantly take over lmao

Justification doesn’t need to be ‘objective’ in some cosmic sense it only needs to work in reality. Morality is manmade because we need rules to live together without chaos. Saying ‘will alone justifies action’ ignores that unchecked will leads to destruction, not society. So yes, justification is subjective, but it’s necessary and real and denying that just invites chaos

Saying 'chaos immediately takes over' when the state doesn't create law is large unfounded assumption. In every place where the state hasn't, people actually flourished. (e.g gold rush, iceland, black ukraine)

Morals * Power gives results. (i'll use correct as by natural pressures) Power is determined by good morals determined by natural pressures. If everyone begins hating something for no reason, people more correct morals will gain more power; making them eventually gain control. The state allowed for the worse morals to survive. It is an institution which preserves dead morals.

 

[Deleted member 152141]

ethically yes

morally no

 

[CorinthianLOX]

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Caging at the light yagami profile with the title

 

[saggyballsackcel]

Justifiable is subjective, just like morality. Though I personally believe murder is wrong.

 

[saggyballsackcel]

Depends who did he/she kill and why?

Millie Bobby brown

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Yes, if they killed someone who you care about

Yea