Is pct cope?

[pumpeduppecs]

Can I cruise on test for years and really not hurt my natty test with pct?

 

[Artemis]

Can I cruise on test for years and really not hurt my natty test with pct?

AFAIK, IT IS COPE.

Literally, all medical professionals say that restoring the natural production of hormones is best achieved when you stop cold turkey.

Also, there are papers that other users posted here which show that hormone and sperm counts literally return to normal irrespective of PCT, and they do faster when stopping steroids cold turkey.

ONLY GYM BROS say that PCT is necessary.

Idk how hard it is to go cold turkey though. I had a very light intro to oxandrolone, or whatever was sold to me with this brand name, and i never used any PCT. Never had any problems either.

 

[Deleted member 28904]

Hooding is everything

 

[jon_chase89]

In my experience it's much better to keep your balls alive with hcg intermittently throughout a cycle (or while on long term/trt) than it is to wait until you come off. Lh and fsh will drop to zero while on then come back afterwards once the anabolics are out of your system no matter what you do. Keeping your nads alive so they respond to the lh and fsh once you start producing it again is key. Nothing wrong with taking a serm and/or ai post cycle to help lh and fsh come back slightly quicker but it's not magic and probably not necessary at all. I've tried it evey which way you can imagine over the years

 

[serbiangandy]

AFAIK, IT IS COPE.

Literally, all medical professionals say that restoring the natural production of hormones is best achieved when you stop cold turkey.

Also, there are papers that other users posted here which show that hormone and sperm counts literally return to normal irrespective of PCT, and they do faster when stopping steroids cold turkey.

ONLY GYM BROS say that PCT is necessary.

Idk how hard it is to go cold turkey though. I had a very light intro to oxandrolone, or whatever was sold to me with this brand name, and i never used any PCT. Never had any problems either.

How was your anavar experience? Thinking of hopping on with test

 

[Kater Maxxing]

Neutral canthal tilt mogs

 

[Artemis]

How was your anavar experience? Thinking of hopping on with test

Nothing special. I suspect i was scammed with it, and it was sth else. Maybe winnie.

I had good energy levels, and my strength started growing extremely fast. But around week 3 my knees and joints started aching, so i decided to stop it. Not going to buy any roids from shady dealers anymore.

 

[pumpeduppecs]

W

Hooding is everything

What is that?

 

[pumpeduppecs]

In my experience it's much better to keep your balls alive with hcg intermittently throughout a cycle (or while on long term/trt) than it is to wait until you come off. Lh and fsh will drop to zero while on then come back afterwards once the anabolics are out of your system no matter what you do. Keeping your nads alive so they respond to the lh and fsh once you start producing it again is key. Nothing wrong with taking a serm and/or ai post cycle to help lh and fsh come back slightly quicker but it's not magic and probably not necessary at all. I've tried it evey which way you can imagine over the years

So does hcg keep your natty test levels from dropping?

 

[jon_chase89]

So does hcg keep your natty test levels from dropping?

The hcg itself will make you produce some test with each injection, some even use it that way as a test base with frequent injections, but mainly it keeps your balls from atrophying so that once you come off you're capable of producing T again in the presence of LH. You will still be "shut down" on hcg though as natural LH and FSH will be driven down, and the hcg is just acting as a substitute

 

[Deleted member 23391]

In my experience it's much better to keep your balls alive with hcg intermittently throughout a cycle (or while on long term/trt) than it is to wait until you come off. Lh and fsh will drop to zero while on then come back afterwards once the anabolics are out of your system no matter what you do. Keeping your nads alive so they respond to the lh and fsh once you start producing it again is key. Nothing wrong with taking a serm and/or ai post cycle to help lh and fsh come back slightly quicker but it's not magic and probably not necessary at all. I've tried it evey which way you can imagine over the years

Thoughts on 250iu 3x/wk along with cruising on test (and intermittently blasting) indefinitely?

 

[jon_chase89]

Thoughts on 250iu 3x/wk along with cruising on test (and intermittently blasting) indefinitely?

I think that's fine, that's about what I did for a long time. I also think it's fine to use larger doses more infrequently. The theoretical desensitivity issue with bigger doses doesn't really play out in real life, and some people start having estrogen issues when taking hcg constantly. Either way worked equally well for me

 

[Deleted member 23391]

I think that's fine, that's about what I did for a long time. I also think it's fine to use larger doses more infrequently. The theoretical desensitivity issue with bigger doses doesn't really play out in real life, and some people start having estrogen issues when taking hcg constantly. Either way worked equally well for me

The desensitization seems like some kind of theoretical thing that doesn't happen in reality besides at unreasonably high doses, and roiders use it as a cope to not use HCG. To be fair, I'd rather deal with estrogen issues than testicular atrophy and I bought AI powders in bulk from a reliable source to last me a long time. Have you ever tried HMG and was there ever a point (maybe on a tren or deca blast?) where you felt like you were still getting some degree of testicular atrophy on that sort of dose?

 

[jon_chase89]

The desensitization seems like some kind of theoretical thing that doesn't happen in reality besides at unreasonably high doses, and roiders use it as a cope to not use HCG. To be fair, I'd rather deal with estrogen issues than testicular atrophy and I bought AI powders in bulk from a reliable source to last me a long time. Have you ever tried HMG and was there ever a point (maybe on a tren or deca blast?) where you felt like you were still getting some degree of testicular atrophy on that sort of dose?

I never tried hmg. I definitely still had some degree of atrophy even with hcg when on for a long periods, regardless of total dose or compounds. Actually wanted to try rFSH on top of the hcg to see if that made a difference but never got around to it plus it's very expensive. Either way after a few years of cycling and a few more blasting and cruising I came off completely, and eventually went back to roughly the same T levels I had before touching anything, so I'd say it helped prevent permanent dysfunction

 

[actualunderstander]

It's not a cope. You need to learn to pct

 

[Deleted member 23391]

I never tried hmg. I definitely still had some degree of atrophy even with hcg when on for a long periods, regardless of total dose or compounds. Actually wanted to try rFSH on top of the hcg to see if that made a difference but never got around to it plus it's very expensive. Either way after a few years of cycling and a few more blasting and cruising I came off completely, and eventually went back to roughly the same T levels I had before touching anything, so I'd say it helped prevent permanent dysfunction

That's encouraging because usually B&Cers seem to have some degree of permanent damage and hypogonadism after coming off (without HCG). How long would you say it took your endogenous testosterone to recover to the level it was before?

 

[jon_chase89]

That's encouraging because usually B&Cers seem to have some degree of permanent damage and hypogonadism after coming off (without HCG). How long would you say it took your endogenous testosterone to recover to the level it was before?

A few months. And I was on non-stop for about 4 years

 

[Deleted member 23391]

A few months. And I was on non-stop for about 4 years

How much more pussy do you feel like blasting and cruising on steroids got you?

 

[jon_chase89]

How much more pussy do you feel like blasting and cruising on steroids got you?

Honestly not much in my case because I got a decent amount of girls even when off, and I don't have good enough muscularity genetics to really capitalize on the kind of body halo some guys can get with roids. I'll hop back on trt eventually though, with the occasional extra compound added in here and there, but at low doses.

 

[Deleted member 23391]

Honestly not much in my case because I got a decent amount of girls even when off, and I don't have good enough muscularity genetics to really capitalize on the kind of body halo some guys can get with roids. I'll hop back on trt eventually though, with the occasional extra compound added in here and there, but at low doses.

Interesting. I'm a decent responder but I have awful bodyfat distribution, so I'll need ab lipo to ever look like I have a good body with my shirt off.