Is Ramieri better than Pagnoni for bimax?

[FrenchareMedCucks]

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I have a second online consultation on march with Ramieri and about to start orthodontics for decompensation

Didn't bother consult Pags as I 've seen one pretty bad bimax with him at Misc and the Chimp patient

I prefer doing jaw and infra implants in a second operation

 

[muragoat]

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I have a second online consultation on march with Ramieri and about to start orthodontics for decompensation

Didn't bother consult Pags as I 've seen one pretty bad bimax with him at Misc and the Chimp patient

I prefer doing jaw and infra implants in a second operation

i might be better bimax wise but he is conservative, on me he doesn t even want to do lf1

 

[1966Ford]

@RealSurgerymax is the best!

 

[lurking truecel]

I think both are great, pag might be more aggressive in his movements

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

i might be better bimax wise but he is conservative, on me he doesn t even want to do lf1

Maybe you don't have malocclusion or have flat occlusional plane so he can't do CCW rotation of maxilla on you

At least Ramieri knows that not anyone can ascend with bimax and some patients need just genio + conservative implants

Keeping Harmony is important most people with big movements and big implants looks uncanny as fuck

 

[muragoat]

Maybe you don't have malocclusion or have flat occlusional plane so he can't do CCW rotation of maxilla on you

At least Ramieri knows that not anyone can ascend with bimax and some patients need just genio + conservative implants

Keeping Harmony is important most people with big movements and big implants looks uncanny as fuck

yh but pags had way different plan for me, 4mm lf1 with 7deg rotation

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

yh but pags had way different plan for me, 4mm lf1 with 7deg rotation

I think Ramieri is better for people with jaw deformities like class 2 or 3 maloclusion , steep mandibular angle , retrusive mandible , downgrown maxilla

While Pags is better for a flat occulsonal plane , no maloclusion , people that want more forward growth from a functionnal jaw base , surgery first candidates with no braces

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

I think Ramieri is better for people with jaw deformities like class 2 or 3 maloclusion , steep mandibular angle , retrusive mandible , downgrown maxilla

While Pags is better for a flat occulsonal plane , no maloclusion , people that want more forward growth from a functionnal jaw base , surgery first candidates with no braces

I often hear on this forum that Pags often botches people and ignores them afterwards + he looks like a chad 2 huge redflags.

Meanwhile I've never heard something like that from ramieri ever. Am I biased?

Or is there a higher botch risk with pags vs ramieri?

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

I often hear on this forum that Pags often botches people and ignores them afterwards + he looks like a chad 2 huge redflags.

Meanwhile I've never heard something like that from ramieri ever. Am I biased?

Or is there a higher botch risk with pags vs ramieri?

Recently on Reddit a retarded low HTN complained about Ramieri botching him with Bimax

He underwent a revision surgery with Ramieri and previously had a botched single BSSO without LF1 with a random surgeon

Though Ramieri ascended his side profile to mid HTN , but his front barely improved and it was already good guy had no major flaws

Guy complained about his changes from front tell that Ramieri was a botcher, that he didn't do the proposed movements

Guy was a good looking giga retard , wanting to hurt Ramieri reputation online

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Recently on Reddit a retarded low HTN complained about Ramieri botching him with Bimax

He underwent a revision surgery with Ramieri and previously had a botched single BSSO without LF1 with a random surgeon

Though Ramieri ascended his side profile to mid HTN , but his front barely improved and it was already good guy had no major flaws

Guy complained about his changes from front tell that Ramieri was a botcher, that he didn't do the proposed movements

Guy was a good looking giga retard , wanting to hurt Ramieri reputation online

Failed bimax by Italian surgeon

I was a little retruted and my main problem was the frontal view ,he told me that I would have solved frontally ; I trusted him ...now I can do nothing to come back but I want he lose clients and lot of money... because he is a dishonest person

looksmax.org

After reading the whole post, can stuff like this really happen with any good surgeon?
He mentioned later on it was pagnoni

 

[FrenchareMedCucks]

Failed bimax by Italian surgeon

I was a little retruted and my main problem was the frontal view ,he told me that I would have solved frontally ; I trusted him ...now I can do nothing to come back but I want he lose clients and lot of money... because he is a dishonest person

looksmax.org

After reading the whole post, can stuff like this really happen with any good surgeon?
He mentioned later on it was pagnoni

No usually surgeon would dismiss patient with Class 1 perfect bite, no mandibular or chin recession and no downgrowth face so he cannot perform CCW rotation properly

Ramieri would refused him and already refused patients like him