Is Test still a net positive if you don't inject ED?

[4ever]

My goals are getting more muscular, higher libido and energy without sacrificing facial aesthetics.

Test Prop ED is promoted by trusted users on here as the best option, since they don't experience bloating or mood fluctuations from it.

But how about Test E eod or twice a week? Is it still worth it or will you just get bloated to death at 350mg? I lack experience with IM injections, therefore it's hard for me to tell if I'd be fine with doing them ED.

And how about cyp? Is that even worth considering or should I forget about it.

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[SoundnVision]

I definitely feel better on prop 3 times weekly Vs E or C once weekly

 

[4ever]

I definitely feel better on prop 3 times weekly Vs E or C once weekly

have you tried higher injection frequencies with e and c as well? what was your experience like?

 

[guts3]

My goals are getting more muscular, higher libido and energy without sacrificing facial aesthetics.

Test Prop ED is promoted by trusted users on here as the best option, since they don't experience bloating or mood fluctuations from it.

But how about Test E eod or twice a week? Is it still worth it or will you just get bloated to death at 350mg? I lack experience with IM injections, therefore it's hard for me to tell if I'd be fine with doing them ED.

And how about cyp? Is that even worth considering or should I forget about it.

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I did test e twice a week for a few weeks. It's ok just not as good as pinning ed

 

[SoundnVision]

have you tried higher injection frequencies with e and c as well? what was your experience like?

Yes but when I was doing higher doses so it's not a fair comparison.

 

[4ever]

Yes but when I was doing higher doses so it's not a fair comparison.

I did test e twice a week for a few weeks. It's ok just not as good as pinning ed

How did it impact your libido?

 

[4ever]

@aids one of the prop advocates

 

[aids]

Prop great.
Inject as frequently as possible regardless of ester.

 

[SoundnVision]

Prop great.
Inject as frequently as possible regardless of ester.

You think it makes a huge difference?

 

[SoundnVision]

How did it impact your libido?

Definitely better libido doing 3 times a week injections

 

[4ever]

Prop great.
Inject as frequently as possible regardless of ester.

Prop eod > Enan twice a week > Natty

or

Prop eod > natty > Test e twice a week

Goal for me isn't to be a great bodybuilder but to fill out clothes better while being lean and still having good sex drive, energy and strength while not getting a bloated face or sides I can't manage easily.

Are Driada, akralabs, unique Pharma and mega pharma all decent brands?

Did you start with prop as well or move on to it once you realized frequent IM injections aren't a problem for you?

taking p first for quicker saturation --> E --> P in case I go off would be an option as well, no?

 

[guts3]

How did it impact your libido?

Negatively but it's because I used too much AI. When I upped the dose and didn't use enough it increased it

Prop eod > Enan twice a week > Natty

or

Prop eod > natty > Test e twice a week

Goal for me isn't to be a great bodybuilder but to fill out clothes better while being lean and still having good sex drive, energy and strength while not getting a bloated face or sides I can't manage easily.

Are Driada, akralabs, unique Pharma and mega pharma all decent brands?

Did you start with prop as well or move on to it once you realized frequent IM injections aren't a problem for you?

taking p first for quicker saturation --> E --> P in case I go off would be an option as well, no?

The ester doesn't matter that much it's test prop ed> test e twice a week > natty but only due to ester weight. Just get test e and start with twice a week, if you wanna increase the dose you can just pin it more frequently. Also driada is legit I ordered from them when SSA went down and I didn't know any other Chinese supplier

 

[4ever]

Negatively but it's because I used too much AI. When I upped the dose and didn't use enough it increased it

The ester doesn't matter that much it's test prop ed> test e twice a week > natty but only due to ester weight. Just get test e and start with twice a week, if you wanna increase the dose you can just pin it more frequently. Also driada is legit I ordered from them when SSA went down and I didn't know any other Chinese supplier

Prop great.
Inject as frequently as possible regardless of ester.

Ok, so either way it's better than natty? That was my main concern. Only did SARMS in the past and while I liked it, the duration you can run them for limits you quite a bit. Also you won't get the other benefits of test.

 

[guts3]

Ok, so either way it's better than natty? That was my main concern. Only did SARMS in the past and while I liked it, the duration you can run them for limits you quite a bit. Also you won't get the other benefits of test.

Yes bro even if you were to inject it just once a week it would be a net positive. It's just less fluctuations if you inject it more frequently

 

[Keylozz]

Test E, EOD
Test P, ED

Pick whatever you like, but propionate if you’re not doing it ED isn’t optimal, is actually worse

Use a website called steroidplotter, and build your cycles and esters and that

 

[4ever]

Test E, EOD
Test P, ED

Pick whatever you like, but propionate if you’re not doing it ED isn’t optimal, is actually worse

Use a website called steroidplotter, and build your cycles and esters and that

Thanks, I'll check it out. Interesting because people who do actual trt with prop claim 1-3 days works for them. On here ED seems meta for prop.

 

[Keylozz]

Thanks, I'll check it out. Interesting because people who do actual trt with prop claim 1-3 days works for them. On here ED seems meta for prop.

But if you see in that page the actual levels are fluctuating too much, this is propionate EOD so E3D… imagine that

 

[4ever]

But if you see in that page the actual levels are fluctuating too much, this is propionate EOD so E3D… imagine that

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Very interesting website, thanks. I wonder if many people who react worse to E than P simply do so, because they don't realize that they'd have to take quite a bit more E to reach similar levels as P.

What do you think the bloating issue comes down to? I'm aware that Na retention, MR modulation and estrogen are the main culprits here. But even many people who inject E daily report more bloating than with P (iirc that was the case for @chadisbeingmade), so estrogen fluctuations aren't the reason, right?


Edit: What's your favorite AI to have on hand?

 

[Keylozz]

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Very interesting website, thanks. I wonder if many people who react worse to E than P simply do so, because they don't realize that they'd have to take quite a bit more E to reach similar levels as P.

What do you think the bloating issue comes down to? I'm aware that Na retention, MR modulation and estrogen are the main culprits here. But even many people who inject E daily report more bloating than with P, so estrogen fluctuations aren't the reason, right?

There is the difference, you don’t actually get higher levels, just they are not steady, you are getting high peaks but with suboptimal crashes

Most of the bloat is actually genetic, but would be because of estrogen in most cases (cause MR and eNac are minimal in most of the users, cause ive tried hctz and other diuretics and don’t change that much, i don’t retain much water on the face genetically and with testosterone, superdrol, etc; i haven’t actually got any detectable water retention)

But if you want you can use a potassium sparing diuretic + hctz, and kill all the Na and MR water retention (in europe the only option I saw was Triamterene + HCTZ, which is an alternative to amiloride + hctz)

Also keep the E2 in range and blood pressure