Is Test/Tren the method for building muscle quickly?

[uircv]

I used to be fit back in high school. Dropped out of school, became a NEET for 5 years. I’m 23 now. I’m on Reta, I’ve lost nearly 100lbs on the stuff, but now I have zero muscle and just a fatass with no muscle to show. I’d like to rebuild what I had before, and I’d like to do it somewhat quickly while I have this motivation. Is tren/test the method? What would you do?

 

[aids]

Just run 500mg+ test and growth.
No need to run tren on a bulk.
DYOR. You are 23 and NEET, I'm sure you have the time.

 

[Epola]

Whatever muscle you had before can be regained quickly and you won't need to use anything. Definitely not tren

 

[uircv]

Whatever muscle you had before can be regained quickly and you won't need to use anything. Definitely not tren

I’m worried that with lifting without any enhancements will just make me look fat all over again.

 

[aids]

I’m worried that with lifting without any enhancements will just make me look fat all over again.

600 test is well-tolerated in men during a 20-week cycle with no adverse health outcomes.
You can very easily push that up with appropriate ancillary use.
Just run ~600 test and some growth hormone 2-3 hours pre-fasted cardio for its lipolytic effects to stay lean(er) while you bulk.

 

[Epola]

I’m worried that with lifting without any enhancements will just make me look fat all over again.

Muscle looks like muscle. Fat looks like fat. Don't become a fat fuck again and you won't look fat. Steroids aren't going to change anything

 

[aids]

Muscle looks like muscle. Fat looks like fat. Don't become a fat fuck again and you won't look fat. Steroids aren't going to change anything

Cage, steroids will obviously give him better & faster results.
And you have the audacity to write Intelligent Mogger in your bio.

 

[Epola]

600 test is well-tolerated in men during a 20-week cycle with no adverse health outcomes.
You can very easily push that up with appropriate ancillary use.
Just run ~600 test and some growth hormone 2-3 hours pre-fasted cardio for its lipolytic effects to stay lean(er) while you bulk.

600 test for a first cycle is insane man

 

[Chad]

600 test for a first cycle is insane man

Standard beginner cycle btw.

Retard.

 

[uircv]

Cage, steroids will obviously give him better & faster results.
And you have the audacity to write Intelligent Mogger in your bio.

Robbing my local tranny now, thank you for the advice

 

[Epola]

Cage, steroids will obviously give him better & faster results.
And you have the audacity to write Intelligent Mogger in your bio.

The body doesn't have infinite ability to grow muscle. The regrowth period will already be around a maximal rate of gain possible, adding a bunch of shit on top of that is just gonna fuck him up. You're gonna kill a nigga someday with this advice

 

[aids]

600 test for a first cycle is insane man

IF OP does adequate research then he can very easily run 600 test for his first cycle.
Steroid forums back in late 2000s/early 2010s would always deem 500 test the gold standard for a cycle.
More recently, people recommended starting at 250-300 test and tapering/introducing other compounds accordingly for your desired outcomes.
But, we are not looking for sport-specific improvements, we are looking for aesthetic improvement, and with appropriate ancillary use (which you can very easily determine given the ease of access to information), then starting at low test and tapering up is just a waste of time.
Unlike what many say, no you do not have time. You have even less than you otherwise think.

 

[Epola]

Standard beginner cycle btw

Retard.

For gear freaks on here it is. The more you take starting out, the more you need to take later.

 

[aids]

The body doesn't have infinite ability to grow muscle. The regrowth period will already be around a maximal rate of gain possible, adding a bunch of shit on top of that is just gonna fuck him up. You're gonna kill a nigga someday with this advice

Sorry, you're right, adding steroids will not help him gain muscle faster (???)

 

[Epola]

IF OP does adequate research then he can very easily run 600 test for his first cycle.
Steroid forums back in late 2000s/early 2010s would always deem 500 test the gold standard for a cycle.
More recently, people recommended starting at 250-300 test and tapering/introducing other compounds accordingly for your desired outcomes.
But, we are not looking for sport-specific improvements, we are looking for aesthetic improvement, and with appropriate ancillary use (which you can very easily determine given the ease of access to information), then starting at low test and tapering up is just a waste of time.
Unlike what many say, no you do not have time. You have even less than you otherwise think.

Someday you're gonna care about the future

 

[Epola]

Sorry, you're right, adding steroids will not help him gain muscle faster (???)

I literally just explained this. Go do some research

 

[Epola]

That’s not how it works you fucking moron.

That's how its worked for literally every bodybuilder who ever took anything. I'm gonna straight up ban you for this ignorance nigga

 

[aids]

For gear freaks on here it is. The more you take starting out, the more you need to take later.

You can literally look at literature with men taking a GNRH and 25, 125, 300, 600mg test per week.
There are no adverse health outcomes in men that take 600mg per week (might I add, across a 20-week cycle).
And if you take the appropriate ancillaries, you will come out healthier than what you otherwise would be had you not taken any drugs whatsoever.
I'm sure @Chad can attest to the likely fact that his biomarkers were completely fine on 1g test per week because he was responsible in his abuse (oxymoron, yes).
If you are not an idiot, then you can run high(er) test just fine.
The problem is that majority of people, especially those who decide to run AAS, know fucking nothing and go off the first bit of information they read without any consideration for how the body actually benefits from taking AAS. I doubt a single person on this forum excluding a handful could actually explicitly clarify what something like anavar or primo does (or the nuance between such compounds), yet they take it anyway JFL

 

[aids]

That's how its worked for literally every bodybuilder who ever took anything. I'm gonna straight up ban you for this ignorance nigga

You're right, my body's ability to undergo muscle protein synthesis is permanently inhibited unless I continuously take higher doses of test every time (???)

 

[Chad]

That's how its worked for literally every bodybuilder who ever took anything. I'm gonna straight up ban you for this ignorance nigga

You are a colossal fucking retard.

The only reason someone using higher doses earlier would need more to continue progressing is due to how much more muscle mass and how much more progress they’ve made than those using nanny doses. It’s got nothing to do with the dose itself or muh receptors downregulation or some horse crap. You will continue to gain on a given dose until all variables are maxed out (training, diet, recovery etc). You reach that point faster on a lower dose obviously.

yes brooo 200lbs guy needs to use more gear now compared to mr 175lbs guy cos 200lbs guy did 600 test and 175 did 300. fucking intelligent mogger on what fucking planet?

 

[Epola]

You can literally look at literature with men taking a GNRH and 25, 125, 300, 600mg test per week.
There are no adverse health outcomes in men that take 600mg per week (might I add, across a 20-week cycle).
And if you take the appropriate ancillaries, you will come out healthier than what you otherwise would be had you not taken any drugs whatsoever.
I'm sure @Chad can attest to the likely fact that his biomarkers were completely fine on 1g test per week because he was responsible in his abuse (oxymoron, yes).
If you are not an idiot, then you can run high(er) test just fine.
The problem is that majority of people, especially those who decide to run AAS, know fucking nothing and go off the first bit of information they read without any consideration for how the body actually benefits from taking AAS. I doubt a single person on this forum exclude a handful could actually explicitly clarify what something like anavar or primo does, yet they take it anyway JFL

I'm talking about a lifetime and you're talking about 20 weeks. This is insane man. And biomarkers are just indicators, the tests aren't omniscient. Your tests can be fine and you can die tomorrow

 

[Epola]

You're right, my body's ability to undergo muscle protein synthesis is permanently inhibited unless I continuously take higher doses of test every time (???)

your body doesn't want to have supra physiological levels of any hormone. Over time it adapts

 

[Epola]

You are a colossal fucking retard.

The only reason someone using higher doses earlier would need more to continue progressing is due to how much more muscle mass and how much more progress they’ve made those using nanny doses. It’s got nothing to do with the dose itself or muh receptors downregulation or some horse crap. You will continue to gain on a given dose until all variables are maxed out (training, diet, recovery etc). You reach that point faster on a lower dose obviously.

yes brooo 200lbs guy needs to use more gear now compared to mr 175lbs guy cos 200lbs guy did 600 test and 175 did 300. fucking intelligent mogger on what fucking planet?

That's how it works according to your own mental model, that's not how it works for anyone in practice