Is testosterone levels genetics or environment?

[Canwefixit]

You see a lot of claims online about how mens testosterone is declining and it gets blamed on the environment. Things that are said to ruin testosterone are:

1. Common soaps
2. Plastics
3. Polyester clothing
4. Soy
5. Vegetable oils
6. Refined sugar
7. High body fat
8. Too low body fat
9. Porn
10. Beer
11. Fluoride
12. Poor nutrition in childhood (soy formula fed).

Things that are claimed to increase testosterone are:

1. Sleeping enough
2. High fat diet
3. High Cholesterol consumption
4. Sunlight
5. Weight lifting
6. Vitamin and mineral intakes
7. Fighting

But then how much do genetics play a role? Most people have similar routines yet we have 6’6 gigachad a and 5’3 soyboys. If we compared their upbringing, they would likely be similar especially if the grew up in the same city. So what do you guys think about testosterone maxing by improving your environment? Cope for soy genetics or does everyman hold the power to be a 6’6 beast had he eat properly during childhood?

 

[bignosesmallchin]

Obviously changing environment will raise T, I’m just too lazy and demotivated to that rn, symptoms of Low T. Compound pill is BRUTAL.

 

[tallnegga]

Both. If you have shit job, shit diet, can’t sleep, always stressed. You’re fucked

 

[Canwefixit]

Obviously changing environment will raise T, I’m just too lazy and demotivated to that rn, symptoms of Low T. Compound pill is BRUTAL.

I am just under the vibes that a guy who is 20 years old and has a feminine face, low muscular mass, high voice, and a manlet will struggle to get the T levels of a Jock even if he was tmaxing. Anyways. Hope you sort your environment out. What are you doing that’s destroying your T?

Both. If you have shit job, shit diet, can’t sleep, always stressed. You’re fucked

So even if a highly dimorphic 6’6 Jock started living a shit lifestyle, he will feel like a bitch?

 

[St.TikTokcel]

You see a lot of claims online about how mens testosterone is declining and it gets blamed on the environment. Things that are said to ruin testosterone are:

1. Common soaps
2. Plastics
3. Polyester clothing
4. Soy
5. Vegetable oils
6. Refined sugar
7. High body fat
8. Too low body fat
9. Porn
10. Beer
11. Fluoride
12. Poor nutrition in childhood (soy formula fed).

Things that are claimed to increase testosterone are:

1. Sleeping enough
2. High fat diet
3. High Cholesterol consumption
4. Sunlight
5. Weight lifting
6. Vitamin and mineral intakes
7. Fighting

But then how much do genetics play a role? Most people have similar routines yet we have 6’6 gigachad a and 5’3 soyboys. If we compared their upbringing, they would likely be similar especially if the grew up in the same city. So what do you guys think about testosterone maxing by improving your environment? Cope for soy genetics or does everyman hold the power to be a 6’6 beast had he eat properly during childhood?

Genes.

 

[Canwefixit]

Genes.
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I used to be an environmental coper but I do agree it’s genetics now.

 

[bignosesmallchin]

I am just under the vibes that a guy who is 20 years old and has a feminine face, low muscular mass, high voice, and a manlet will struggle to get the T levels of a Jock even if he was tmaxing. Anyways. Hope you sort your environment out. What are you doing that’s destroying your T?

Are you describing me there jfl? And idk man I’ve seen some dudes that looked like skin and bones get huge after 3 years of working out, one of my biggest motivators is a post on reddit of some 5’9 dude that looked like a skeleton that got huge after 3 years of gym and didn’t start till he was like 25.

And my whole lifestyle is destroying my T, I neet all day and eat like shit. Also porn.

 

[Canwefixit]

Are you describing me there jfl? And idk man I’ve seen some dudes that looked like skin and bones get huge after 3 years of working out, one of my biggest motivators is a post on reddit of some 5’9 dude that looked like a skeleton that got huge after 3 years of gym and didn’t start till he was like 25.

And my whole lifestyle is destroying my T, I neet all day and eat like shit. Also porn.

I’m also describing myself. Although I am 5’11 wbu? My voice varies. Usually when excited I sound soy but in other situations I can sound quite Chad.

For your point, I believe those guys were probably on steroids. I also believe genetics are extremely important for muscles aswell as T levels as I doubt both of us would become Jocks if we improved our testosterone. Some people are naturally more alpha, low IQ and high NT.

 

[tallnegga]

I am just under the vibes that a guy who is 20 years old and has a feminine face, low muscular mass, high voice, and a manlet will struggle to get the T levels of a Jock even if he was tmaxing. Anyways. Hope you sort your environment out. What are you doing that’s destroying your T?

So even if a highly dimorphic 6’6 Jock started living a shit lifestyle, he will feel like a bitch?

If he was forced to work 2 jobs and get only 4 hours of sleep max. His good genes would be sucked out from him.

People want to use Ramirez as an example which shows their low IQ. that dude lived like a nomad. He wasn’t paying some huge mortgage off with 5 kids and worried about anything really, that’s the benefits of being a psychopath nothing scares or worries you so you’re never high cortisol. Always producing good test.

 

[tallnegga]

Even agepill proves this kind of. But agepill comes much faster if your environment is shit

 

[Canwefixit]

If he was forced to work 2 jobs and get only 4 hours of sleep max. His good genes would be sucked out from him.

People want to use Ramirez as an example which shows their low IQ. that dude lived like a nomad. He wasn’t paying some huge mortgage off with 5 kids and worried about anything really, that’s the benefits of being a psychopath nothing scares or worries you so you’re never high cortisol. Always producing good test.

So by the time this 20 year old Jock is like 22 after 2 years of beer, 4 hours sleep, sedentary, vegan diet and soy. The Jock would be skinny, high inhib, scared of other men, high pitched voice?

 

[bignosesmallchin]

I’m also describing myself. Although I am 5’11 wbu? My voice varies. Usually when excited I sound soy but in other situations I can sound quite Chad.

For your point, I believe those guys were probably on steroids. I also believe genetics are extremely important for muscles aswell as T levels as I doubt both of us would become Jocks if we improved our testosterone. Some people are naturally more alpha, low IQ and high NT.

I’m 5’9 in the morning 5’8.5 at night, 20 years old, and my voice varies like yours does too, I try not to get excited because of it. Also in my experience jocks are normally average or below average height, like all the preppy kids that played sports and had a lot of muscle were usually my height or shorter with a few being taller.

I think I have a pretty good frame, the only bad things are 6.8in wrists, and wide hips, my shoulders are wider than hips though and very broad and I have good insertions everywhere especially my traps, so I think I have the potential, I am just completely looksminned right now, after a few years of working out I think I’ll get pretty huge, I wanna be 200lbs one day with 15% BF

 

[Canwefixit]

I’m 5’9 in the morning 5’8.5 at night, 20 years old, and my voice varies like yours does too, I try not to get excited because of it. Also in my experience jocks are normally average or below average height, like all the preppy kids that played sports and had a lot of muscle were usually my height or shorter with a few being taller.

I think I have a pretty good frame, the only bad things are 6.8in wrists, and wide hips, my shoulders are wider than hips though and very broad and I have good insertions everywhere especially my traps, so I think I have the potential, I am just completely looksminned right now, after a few years of working out I think I’ll get pretty huge, I wanna be 200lbs one day with 15% BF

In my experience the jocks have always been tall: like 6’2 - 6’5. Most guys who are average or below average height are soy from what I have seen. I have narrow shoulders and my wrists are thin too. I don’t think I have good potential.

 

[bignosesmallchin]

In my experience the jocks have always been tall: like 6’2 - 6’5. Most guys who are average or below average height are soy from what I have seen. I have narrow shoulders and my wrists are thin too. I don’t think I have good potential.

Thin wrists aren’t too big of a deal, also I’m almost certain that as long as your wrists are 6.5in+ they’re average, the majority of men in America are overweight so when they measure to get the average wrist width it will obviously be a higher number with a fatter population.

I’ve also seen plenty of bad ass niggas that are only 5’9-5’11, most tall guys are framelets, and there are advantages to not being that tall, practical advantages like speed and agility and calisthenics type strength, obv it’s better to be taller to attract women but it’s not the end.

How bad is your frame? Is it like auschwitz tier or are you just a skinny fat average guy?

 

[Canwefixit]

Thin wrists aren’t too big of a deal, also I’m almost certain that as long as your wrists are 6.5in+ they’re average, the majority of men in America are overweight so when they measure to get the average wrist width it will obviously be a higher number with a fatter population.

I’ve also seen plenty of bad ass niggas that are only 5’9-5’11, most tall guys are framelets, and there are advantages to not being that tall, practical advantages like speed and agility and calisthenics type strength, obv it’s better to be taller to attract women but it’s not the end.

How bad is your frame? Is it like auschwitz tier or are you just a skinny fat average guy?

When a tall guy isn’t a frame let that’s when he mogs. I think most tall guys are framelets because their height carries them so they don’t need to go gym. But Manlets and normies get insecure of their height so they compensate on their frame. I have heard 5’10 is the ideal height for a human man in terms of functionality.

My frame is auschwitz tier, I l barely mog womens frame.

 

[tallnegga]

So by the time this 20 year old Jock is like 22 after 2 years of beer, 4 hours sleep, sedentary, vegan diet and soy. The Jock would be skinny, high inhib, scared of other men, high pitched voice?

Need like 4+ years at least tbh. And more like, fatter, round face covering his good features, worse skin, dick doesn’t get as hard anymore, always in a bad mood, ect

 

[Canwefixit]

Need like 4+ years at least tbh. And more like, fatter, round face covering his good features, worse skin, dick doesn’t get as hard anymore, always in a bad mood, ect

Over for environmental copers. Seems like genetics do 99% of the work. Most of your masculinity is down to your genetics and androgen receptors.

 

[bignosesmallchin]

When a tall guy isn’t a frame let that’s when he mogs. I think most tall guys are framelets because their height carries them so they don’t need to go gym. But Manlets and normies get insecure of their height so they compensate on their frame. I have heard 5’10 is the ideal height for a human man in terms of functionality.

My frame is auschwitz tier, I l barely mog womens frame.

Is your frame as bad as mine? I think mine is about average, I don’t workout at all and neet all day and looks like this, shirtless one is flexed btw. I think my wrists are my biggest falio, very thin. I need to workout my forearms too cuz they are thin

 

[tallnegga]

Over for environmental copers. Seems like genetics do 99% of the work. Most of your masculinity is down to your genetics and androgen receptors.

Uh huh your environment and what you do has zero effect. That’s why Paul Dillet probably has the best androgen receptors on the planet but looks like a pregnant alien right now.

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Over for environmental copers. Seems like genetics do 99% of the work. Most of your masculinity is down to your genetics and androgen receptors.

I don’t get the point of this thread when injectable testosterone exists. A natty chad can’t beat anyone injecting even small amounts of exogenous testosterone

 

[Canwefixit]

Is your frame as bad as mine? I think mine is about average, I don’t workout at all and neet all day and looks like this, shirtless one is flexed btw. I think my wrists are my biggest falio, very thin. I need to workout my forearms too cuz they are thin

Your muscle genetics are insane especially if your low t maxed. My frame is way worse. I am 59kg at 5’11. No abs either

 

[tallnegga]

I don’t get the point of this thread when injectable testosterone exists. A natty chad can’t beat anyone injecting even small amounts of exogenous testosterone

Testosterone works best if you have high androgen receptors. The effects are underwhelming if not.

 

[Canwefixit]

Uh huh your environment and what you do has zero effect. That’s why Paul Dillet probably has the best androgen receptors on the planet but looks like a pregnant alien right now.

Brutal wtf did he do to lose all that muscle mass?

 

[Canwefixit]

Testosterone works best if you have high androgen receptors. The effects are underwhelming if not.

High androgen = genetics

 

[tallnegga]

Brutal wtf did he do to lose all that muscle mass?

He stopped working out all together and became a businessman with a pot belly and long skinny arms even tho his arms were among the biggest in the world

 

[tallnegga]

High androgen = genetics

Absolutely but my point is most people are going to be average in this. So your lifestyle and environment will make a huge impact

 

[Canwefixit]

Absolutely but my point is most people are going to be average in this. So your lifestyle and environment will make a huge impact

The issue is if your androgen receptors are low like mine. It ruins your life and no amount of t maxxing will help especially post puberty.

 

[Deleted member 20652]

It's mostly genetic. Even when I took estrogen supplements I got 923 ng/dl Testosterone and estrogen is supposed to be bad for Testosterone

//Thomas DOM

 

[Rabbi]

Genetics mostly, also arguably androgen sensitivity matters just as much if not more and that’s genetic

 

[Rabbi]

It's mostly genetic. Even when I took estrogen supplements I got 923 ng/dl Testosterone and estrogen is supposed to be bad for Testosterone

//Thomas DOM

Wdym estrogen supplements like actual estradiol?

 

[Deleted member 20652]

Wdym estrogen supplements like actual estradiol?

Estradiol valerate.

//Thomas DOM

 

[Rabbi]

Estradiol valerate.

//Thomas DOM

What for

 

[chadmanlet04]

If he was forced to work 2 jobs and get only 4 hours of sleep max. His good genes would be sucked out from him.

People want to use Ramirez as an example which shows their low IQ. that dude lived like a nomad. He wasn’t paying some huge mortgage off with 5 kids and worried about anything really, that’s the benefits of being a psychopath nothing scares or worries you so you’re never high cortisol. Always producing good test.

imo his genetics were still sucked out of him, albeit slightly. if he didn't sleep in cemeteries and only consume junk food during childhood he'd probably be a 6'3+ giga frame mogger

 

[Deleted member 20652]

What for

I was trying to collagen max

//Thomas DOM