Is the "grindset" actually a good mindset?

[Matrix88]

The whole "hustle culture" and "keep grinding bro!" idea seems cringe because those niggas only focus on redpill bs. But if you apply the same mindset with the bp knowledge, then why would it not be the BEST way to actually improve your life?

If you put 100% of your time and effort into moneymaxxing and ascending (To both softmaxx and hardmaxx), your life WILL improve, so what's wrong about that whole "grindset" mentality?

I mean we only got one shot at this shitty life, so why not suffer for a little to end up in a better position?

 

[Blasian-K]

The whole "hustle culture" and "keep grinding bro!" idea seems cringe because those niggas only focus on redpill bs. But if you apply the same mindset with the bp knowledge, then why would it not be the BEST way to actually improve your life?

If you put 100% of your time and effort into moneymaxxing and ascending (To both softmaxx and hardmaxx), your life WILL improve, so what's wrong about that whole "grindset" mentality?

I mean we only got one shot at this shitty life, so why not suffer for a little to end up in a better position?

Plenty of people who grind will fail. And many people who attribute their success to the "grind." Already had the tools to put them there.

Grind is good, but sacrificing everything is just an influencer course-selling tactic.

 

[brielarsonbf]

just put your money on index fund and do rhino/buccal fat removal + trimax

 

[Matrix88]

Grind is good, but sacrificing everything is just an influencer course-selling tactic.

But wdym sacrificing everything? You mean like those cringe influencers who tell u to isolate yourself for 6 months and shit?

Yea that's stupid. What I meant was more like wageslaving, studying, organizing your time, booking appointments with surgeons, getting done everything as fast as possible

 

[dragons6422]

No.

Let's say you want to get rich. There are two categories people fall into.
1. Maximize dopamine rewards from the narrative satisfaction
2. Actually get rich

Hustle culture optimizes for 1. That means you are sacrificing actual outcomes to maximize the dopamine you receive from aligning with the narrative.

This means hustle culture prioritizes spending 80 hours a week being an "entrepreneur". making the website, fucking with legal docs, or working 60 hours a week putting fries in the bag, picking up every shift etc. This is to satisfy the narrative and make you feel productive but you're actually getting fucking nowhere.

It literally takes 2 weeks minimum to escape the rat race and get recurring income to quit your job. Anything taking longer than 3 months is a waste of time. You can become successful with absolute certainty in 3 months if you're not wasting time doing dumb shit.

 

[Matrix88]

just put your money on index fund and do rhino/buccal fat removal + trimax

in which one? Also I have no money, that's why I'm planning to finally change my life and get a damn job

Rn I'm just studying for uni

 

[giodd]

Plenty of people who grind will fail. And many people who attribute their success to the "grind." Already had the tools to put them there.

Grind is good, but sacrificing everything is just an influencer course-selling tactic.

i know guy who is my age (15) working 10 hours a day on his pc and barely gets sleep just to post on youtube and make money. he said he doesnt want to go gym or focus on diet because its pointless and he wont be rich in future because of it. this is wrong right?

 

[Matrix88]

No.

Let's say you want to get rich. There are two categories people fall into.
1. Maximize dopamine rewards from the narrative satisfaction
2. Actually get rich

Hustle culture optimizes for 1. That means you are sacrificing actual outcomes to maximize the dopamine you receive from aligning with the narrative.

This means hustle culture prioritizes spending 80 hours a week being an "entrepreneur". making the website, fucking with legal docs, or working 60 hours a week putting fries in the bag, picking up every shift etc. This is to satisfy the narrative and make you feel productive but you're actually getting fucking nowhere.

It literally takes 2 weeks minimum to escape the rat race and get recurring income to quit your job. Anything taking longer than 3 months is a waste of time. You can become successful with absolute certainty in 3 months if you're not wasting time doing dumb shit.

Being an entrepreneur is cope if ur a brookie like me

 

[Matrix88]

i know guy who is my age (15) working 10 hours a day on his pc and barely gets sleep just to post on youtube and make money. he said he doesnt want to go gym or focus on diet because its pointless and he wont be rich in future because of it. this is wrong right?

I respect that he's being extreme, that usually works, but he should be extreme in both looksmaxxing and making money

What's the point of having money if u look like shit because you slept 3 hours every day during your teenage years? lmao tell him to not become a betabuxx

 

[dragons6422]

Being an entrepreneur is cope if ur a brookie like me

Being an entrepreneur is how you stop becoming broke. How old are you dude?

 

[Blasian-K]

But wdym sacrificing everything? You mean like those cringe influencers who tell u to isolate yourself for 6 months and shit?

Obviously, bro.

And I mean sacrificing just in the terms of only focusing on one thing. If you have the personality to apply it ascending,then good for you.

But for most, that hyperfocus won’t always pay off.

Yea that's stupid. What I meant was more like wageslaving, studying, organizing your time, booking appointments with surgeons, getting done everything as fast as possible

It’s just time can be taken in my opinion. I applaud your journey to surgery. But still other aspects of life can be important.

Tunnel vision can be regressive

 

[Matrix88]

Being an entrepreneur is how you stop becoming broke. How old are you dude?

18, but how can I become an entrepreneur with no money dude

The safest option is to plan your way to college and get a safe high paying degree

 

[giodd]

I respect that he's being extreme, that usually works, but he should be extreme in both looksmaxxing and making money

What's the point of having money if u look like shit because you slept 3 hours every day during your teenage years? lmao tell him to not become a betabuxx

nigger said he looks like chico and has aesthetic body but he is 5’6 from syria, i doubt he will grow to 5’9 because of no sleep. i always tell him to not be this extreme but he keeps doing his shit. no money is worth this and everyone knows he wont make millions. i am doing the same work as him on youtube but it takes me 4 hours a day max if i feel like it but i will never let it mess up my sleep.

 

[Matrix88]

But for most, that hyperfocus won’t always pay off.

Why?

It’s just time can be taken in my opinion. I applaud your journey to surgery. But still other aspects of life can be impotent.

Tunnel vision can be regressive

What could be more important in life than money and looks? I'm not saying that u should focus on money & looks for the rest of ur life without caring about anything else

I'm just saying that you could really focus for a year into that and then live a BETTER life. Did I explain myself clearly?

 

[Matrix88]

nigger said he looks like chico and has aesthetic body but he is 5’6 from syria, i doubt he will grow to 5’9 because of no sleep. i always tell him to not be this extreme but he keeps doing his shit. no money is worth this and everyone knows he wont make millions. i am doing the same work as him on youtube but it takes me 4 hours a day max if i feel like it but i will never let it mess up my sleep.

He will regret it in the future, that's for sure

 

[dragons6422]

18, but how can I become an entrepreneur with no money dude

The safest option is to plan your way to college and get a safe high paying degree

You become an entrepreneur by creating value that barely costs you anything. This is the easiest time in history to do that right now. We have AI and no code tools. You can create value in literally a day.

Also that is not the safest option. There are tons of shitty degrees and industries can change on you in a second. Case study: computer science. Those guys are spending 4 years slogging through school to graduate and send hundreds and hundreds of applications. Once you get in, you have the threat of layoffs looming over your face every day.

When you consider degrees and jobs that are safe like nursing, youre trading the shit job security of computer science for ridiculous amounts of operational stress. There's always a trade off. "safe" and stability is an illusion. Markets and industries can be disrupted all the same at the drop of a pen.

 

[brielarsonbf]

in which one? Also I have no money, that's why I'm planning to finally change my life and get a damn job

Rn I'm just studying for uni

depends where youre living, if anywhere outside of europe then VT(vanguard total world)

 

[tonka T]

No.

Let's say you want to get rich. There are two categories people fall into.
1. Maximize dopamine rewards from the narrative satisfaction
2. Actually get rich

Hustle culture optimizes for 1. That means you are sacrificing actual outcomes to maximize the dopamine you receive from aligning with the narrative.

This means hustle culture prioritizes spending 80 hours a week being an "entrepreneur". making the website, fucking with legal docs, or working 60 hours a week putting fries in the bag, picking up every shift etc. This is to satisfy the narrative and make you feel productive but you're actually getting fucking nowhere.

It literally takes 2 weeks minimum to escape the rat race and get recurring income to quit your job. Anything taking longer than 3 months is a waste of time. You can become successful with absolute certainty in 3 months if you're not wasting time doing dumb shit.

What’s your definition of “dumb shit”?

 

[Blasian-K]

Why?

You’re genetics.

Obviously putting effort into your looks. It is a huge shifter of life quality. But you’re still capped by a base. And surgery is expensive; therefore, I’m not saying don’t focus. But be realistic; most adults are not even in a place to attempt this, and the reward might not pay off enough in the end.

If you're capable of putting a year into it and don't have to worry about shelter, food, and other costs. Then do it, but a lot can't, and that hyperfocus could ruin them.

What could be more important in life than money and looks? I'm not saying that u should focus on money & looks for the rest of ur life without caring about anything else

This I agree with. Yes, money and looks give you the greatest access to things.

But some people aren't in the right situation. Which I hope I explained above.

I'm just saying that you could really focus for a year into that and then live a BETTER life. Did I explain myself clearly?

Yes, you did, boyo.

And I agree. I'm just trying to say tunnel vision can be more regressive in cases than progressive.

But if you're set up, then try (you're right; why not?).

I hoped I made myself clear; I typed a bit too much.

 

[Matrix88]

You become an entrepreneur by creating value that barely costs you anything. This is the easiest time in history to do that right now. We have AI and no code tools. You can create value in literally a day.

Also that is not the safest option. There are tons of shitty degrees and industries can change on you in a second. Case study: computer science. Those guys are spending 4 years slogging through school to graduate and send hundreds and hundreds of applications. Once you get in, you have the threat of layoffs looming over your face every day.

When you consider degrees and jobs that are safe like nursing, youre trading the shit job security of computer science for ridiculous amounts of operational stress. There's always a trade off. "safe" and stability is an illusion. Markets and industries can be disrupted all the same at the drop of a pen.

So you think engineering isn't a safe degree anymore? What would you say is a safe degree that gives you freedom and doesn't trap u into ur spawn country? lol

 

[Matrix88]

You’re genetics.

Obviously putting effort into your looks. It is a huge shifter of life quality. But you’re still capped by a base. And surgery is expensive; therefore, I’m not saying don’t focus. But be realistic; most adults are not even in a place to attempt this, and the reward might not pay off enough in the end.

If you're capable of putting a year into it and don't have to worry about shelter, food, and other costs. Then do it, but a lot can't, and that hyperfocus could ruin them.

As I said, you only have one shot at this life, so it doesn't matter if you don't become a "Chad".

Yes, I agree that u have to really think about the ROI of what you're doing. For many people, surgery isn't a great ROI cause it would take them too much time for little results.

In my case, I'm literally a deformed birdcel, so getting surgery would have a great ROI for me. Even if I don't become a Chad, my life WILL be better, and that's all what matters. Once I die, that's it, there's nothing more for me. That's why I only focus on getting the best outcomes with the cards I have

Spoiler: TLDR:

If the ROI is worth it, then you should give ur 100% into ascending in both looks & money. Your life is the only one that matters.

 

[dragons6422]

What’s your definition of “dumb shit”?

If you're an entrepreneur, you need to be doing the bare minimum it takes to create value or utility. After that, you need to be trying to sell it. Anything else is a waste of time.

 

[Blasian-K]

As I said, you only have one shot at this life, so it doesn't matter if you don't become a "Chad".

Yes, I agree that u have to really think about the ROI of what you're doing. For many people, surgery isn't a great ROI cause it would take them too much time for little results.

In my case, I'm literally a deformed birdcel, so getting surgery would have a great ROI for me. Even if I don't become a Chad, my life WILL be better, and that's all what matters. Once I die, that's it, there's nothing more for me. That's why I only focus on getting the best outcomes with the cards I have

Spoiler: TLDR:

If the ROI is worth it, then you should give ur 100% into ascending in both looks & money. Your life is the only one that matters.

Yes, I agree even if it doesn’t make you a "Chad," which is 99% even for those who don’t have a cursed base. Just an increase in looks (even just bumping your SMV a little). It is still access to a better life.

And I agree for you, yes. Just some spawn trapped, nigga. Eating peas and bread 3x a day probably has greater things to think about than ascending in the moment.

But I wish you luck, Martix. You're a man of action, which is respectable!

 

[dragons6422]

So you think engineering isn't a safe degree anymore? What would you say is a safe degree that gives you freedom and doesn't trap u into ur spawn country? lol

There is no safe degree because any one you pick is going to be a gamble. There is no "escape your country" ticket, and if there is you're competing with everyone else that's trying to do the same shit.

Safest degree? Probably nursing. Everything else falls off a cliff after that. Like I said, if I were you, I'd create a business.

 

[illoan82]

The whole "hustle culture" and "keep grinding bro!" idea seems cringe because those niggas only focus on redpill bs. But if you apply the same mindset with the bp knowledge, then why would it not be the BEST way to actually improve your life?

If you put 100% of your time and effort into moneymaxxing and ascending (To both softmaxx and hardmaxx), your life WILL improve, so what's wrong about that whole "grindset" mentality?

I mean we only got one shot at this shitty life, so why not suffer for a little to end up in a better position?

Water

 

[Matrix88]

Safest degree? Probably nursing. Everything else falls off a cliff after that. Like I said, if I were you, I'd create a business.

Easier said than done brother, easier said than done.

 

[Blasian-K]

Water

Yet people still countlessly flock to these red pills, bros. Instead of taking the Matrix route… so maybe on lookism forums, but not for the general dude.

Like I said, if I were you, I'd create a business.

Easier said than done brother, easier said than done.

For real, it’s like that meme of that chick who then went to Miami. And said, "Just buy a business and trade stocks to make money." The world doesn’t work like that, nigga.

 

[dragons6422]

Easier said than done brother, easier said than done.

It is easy.
Hard is when the process is not simple. Like learning guitar or piano.
Easy is when the process is simple. Like plumbing or roofing.
Both require effort.

If you're saying starting a business is too hard, you're basically saying its too hard because it requires too much effort. You're also implying it requires more effort than going to school for 4 years and then job hunting. I don't get your logic.

 

[dragons6422]

Yet people still countlessly flock to these red pills, bros. Instead of taking the Matrix route… so maybe on lookism forums, but not for the general dude.


For real, it’s like that meme of that chick who then went to Miami. And said, "Just buy a business and trade stocks to make money." The world doesn’t work like that, nigga.

It does work like that. You just convinced yourself it doesn't because you're too afraid of the unknown. Starting a business and being successful isn't on the same level of being a famous streamer or making it into the NFL. If you can go to school for 4 years, you can start a fucking business that makes money. You people are so insufferable.

 

[Absurdist]

i know guy who is my age (15) working 10 hours a day on his pc and barely gets sleep just to post on youtube and make money. he said he doesnt want to go gym or focus on diet because its pointless and he wont be rich in future because of it. this is wrong right?

A friend of mine is just like that. Hes been working on some business idea and has neglected anyhthing that isn't business grind related. He told me that looks don't matter and that I was wasting time in the gym and doing other looksmaxx stuff.

 

[Matrix88]

It does work like that. You just convinced yourself it doesn't because you're too afraid of the unknown. Starting a business and being successful isn't on the same level of being a famous streamer or making it into the NFL. If you can go to school for 4 years, you can start a fucking business that makes money. You people are so insufferable.

ok dude tell me how old are u, what country are u from and the social class of ur family

That will explain if what ur saying makes sense or not that much

 

[Matrix88]

He told me that looks don't matter and that I was wasting time in the gym and doing other looksmaxx stuff.

Money and looks are all what matter, he should organize his time better to not neglect looks

 

[Blasian-K]

A friend of mine is just like that. Hes been working on some business idea and has neglected anyhthing that isn't business grind related. He told me that looks don't matter and that I was wasting time in the gym and doing other looksmaxx stuff.

Yeah, that's just genuine retardation.

People with that mindset are truly lost. Or just deluding themselves to cope.

If you can make money grinding games, sure. But still won't change from being an ugly basement dweller.

 

[Badrya]

just put your money on index fund and do rhino/buccal fat removal + trimax

 

[dragons6422]

ok dude tell me how old are u, what country are u from and the social class of ur family

That will explain if what ur saying makes sense or not that much

Nah it makes sense, your brain is just wired to follow the herd rather than do something different. It's a totally understandable survival mechanism and I don't hold it past ya tbh. The human brain is built to be uncomfortable from unknown variables. I get it.

 

[Matrix88]

Nah it makes sense, your brain is just wired to follow the herd rather than do something different. It's a totally understandable survival mechanism and I don't hold it past ya tbh. The human brain is built to be uncomfortable from unknown variables. I get it.

just answer the question dude

 

[dragons6422]

just answer the question dude

Nope. Good luck buddy.

 

[gruca-looksmaxx223]

Best mindset is being thirst for revenge and obsession

 

[tonka T]

If you're an entrepreneur, you need to be doing the bare minimum it takes to create value or utility. After that, you need to be trying to sell it. Anything else is a waste of time.

Yea thanks for the nothing burger bro

 

[Absurdist]

Money and looks are all what matter, he should organize his time better to not neglect looks

Yeah, that's just genuine retardation.

People with that mindset are truly lost. Or just deluding themselves to cope.

If you can make money grinding games, sure. But still won't change from being an ugly basement dweller.

Yep, he just doesn't listen. Skinny fat, indian ltn coping with redpill shit.

 

[alladinbvs]

you gotta work your ass off to improve life quality
why you guys love labeling everything "hustle culture" "grinding" "redpill bulshit"
a redpilled version of you would be in a better position in life than you because he put in the work

 

[Matrix88]

you gotta work your ass off to improve life quality
why you guys love labeling everything "hustle culture" "grinding" "redpill bulshit"
a redpilled version of you would be in a better position in life than you because he put in the work

I know, that's what I think too

I'm saying that hating on that is a bad and defeatist mindset

 

[Acquiescence]

Teenagers. Surrounded by delusional teenagers

 

[dragons6422]

Yea thanks for the nothing burger bro

You would never be able to extract value out of something even if I spelled it out for you to be honest. I even included some examples in my original post. You are just destined to be an NPC.

 

[dragons6422]

Yea thanks for the nothing burger bro

Here you go bro. Since its hard for you to belive simplicity is key, I asked AI to convert my simple post that was easy to understand into something that may help you more:

To convert that foundational heuristic into a comprehensive operational framework—the "full burger"—we must expand the mechanics of utility, distribution, and waste into a deterministic system. When stripped of the narrative illusions that plague modern business culture, entrepreneurship is simply the ruthless allocation of finite resources (time, capital, cognitive bandwidth) to generate asymmetric returns.

Here is the exhaustive, granular breakdown of why doing the bare minimum to create utility, followed by absolute obsession with sales, is the only mathematically sound way to operate.

I. The Thermodynamics of Minimum Viable Utility ($U_{min}$)​

The fundamental error most operators make is conflating "product excellence" with "market value." From a strictly reductionist perspective, a market only compensates for the precise delta between a state of deprivation and a state of resolution. Anything built beyond that delta is uncompensated energy expenditure.

We can define the optimal state of creation by the equation:

$$\Phi = \frac{R(U, S)}{E_c + E_w}$$
Where:

• $\Phi$ = Operational Efficiency (Leverage)
• $R(U, S)$ = Revenue generated as a function of Utility ($U$) and Sales velocity ($S$)
• $E_c$ = Energy required for creation
• $E_w$ = Energy lost to waste (friction)

To maximize $\Phi$, $E_c$ must be clamped to the absolute lowest threshold that still triggers a transaction. This is $U_{min}$.

The Biological Reality of $U_{min}$: Organisms do not expend metabolic energy growing features that do not directly increase their probability of survival or reproduction. In the ecosystem of commerce, building out tertiary features, obsessing over flawless design, or engineering for extreme edge cases before securing cash flow is the equivalent of an animal growing heavy, useless armor in a starvation environment. The goal is to build just enough utility to extract the capital required to survive the next cycle.

II. Distribution and Sales as Evolutionary Selection​

Once $U_{min}$ is achieved, the creation phase must instantly terminate, and 100% of available bandwidth must redirect to distribution.

The Primacy of the Transaction: A product with zero sales does not exist in the economic reality; it is merely a theoretical hypothesis sitting on a server or in a warehouse. Sales are the only mechanism that grounds your operation in empirical truth. When a prospect exchanges their hard-earned capital for your utility, it provides a deterministic data point that proves your value hypothesis.

Market Feedback as the Arbiter of Variables: By going to market with the bare minimum, you force the environment to tell you what actually matters.

1. Falsification: If you cannot sell $U_{min}$, building $U_{max}$ would have been a catastrophic sunk cost. The market didn't want the core utility, so dressing it up would only have burned more time.
2. Iterative Leverage: When you sell $U_{min}$, the users who paid for it will immediately complain about what is missing. These complaints are perfectly mapped vectors for your next development cycle. You no longer have to guess where to allocate $E_c$; the market dictates the exact variables that will drive retention and pricing power.

III. The Taxonomy of Waste ($E_w$)​

The statement "anything else is a waste of time" is an absolute truth when evaluating the behavior of a rational operator. Waste in this context is defined as any action that does not directly push the operation closer to a transaction or increase the underlying leverage of the system.

If an action does not fit into the binary categories of (A) constructing $U_{min}$ or (B) converting a prospect, it must be eradicated. Common forms of $E_w$ include:

• Narrative Construction: Spending hours refining mission statements, core values, or "brand identity" before having a scalable revenue engine. The market does not care about your narrative; it cares about its own friction and whether you can solve it.
• Over-Engineering: Writing perfectly scalable code or building bulletproof supply chains for a product that currently processes five transactions a week.
• Ego-Driven Optimization: Tinkering with UI/UX, logos, or office aesthetics. These are comfort mechanisms—dopamine hits that mimic the feeling of progress without exposing the operator to the brutal, necessary rejection of the sales process.

IV. The Terminal State: Compounding Asymmetry​

Treating the "bare minimum plus sales" as a nothing burger completely misses how this sequence compounds.

By executing this aggressively, you establish a lean, highly adaptable operational loop. You deploy minimal energy $\to$ you extract capital and data $\to$ you use that specific data to slightly increase utility $\to$ you extract larger amounts of capital.

This creates a state of continuous asymmetry. You are never exposed to massive downside risk because you never over-leverage your time on unproven utility. You maintain maximum optionality, adapting your product precisely to the shifting variables of the market. It is the ultimate pragmatic approach to dominating a space: surviving the initial friction with maximum efficiency, and letting the market's own momentum fund your evolution.

 

[Matrix88]

Teenagers. Surrounded by delusional teenagers

why do u say that?

 

[Sub->CL]

The grindset and redpill go together so well because the redpill implies you aren't trying hard enough.

PUA: Approach more women/Get better game
Gym: Get bigger/Lift heavier
Money: Work harder/Work smarter

It's this "no pain no gain" mindset. Think about those normies who post themselves studying until they cry.
Most people, not just redpillers, act as though you need to make yourself uncomfortable if your circumstances are poor.
Like no nigga, when I study it's not physically painful lol it's just time in my comfy gaming chair.
Work for a decent future but stay low cortisol.