Is there a bigger looksmin than smoking and drinking?

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

I know a lot of people who do both and they all have downright terrible skin. One guy in particular who does both is in his early 40's and looks like a 60 year man.

 

[Deleted member 9467]

drinking is terrible but smoking clean tobacco is based

[Part 1] Anti-smoking campaigns are brainwashing you

JFL if u think something pushed that heavily in the media and in schools from such a young age isn't a complete lie If the food pyramid in school was entirely wrong, what makes u think anti-smoking campaigning isn't? Part 1: The Black Lung Lie Black lungs are not caused by tobacco smoke...

looksmax.org

 

[horizon]

My dad has been drinking every night for 20 years and he still looks younger than most people his age.

It comes down to genetics and sun exposure most of the time.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

My dad has been drinking every night for 20 years and he still looks younger than most people his age.

It comes down to genetics and sun exposure most of the time.

Mine drank for 40+ and only looks younger than his age due to being nw0 and not gray. Skin looks like absolute shit and worn out.

 

[subtochad]

being overweight is the largest looksmin. Even just about 20 pounds of extra fat will completely ruin all defining facial features and hide your jawline. I've known guys that lose 60 pounds and go from a 2/10 incel to a 8/10 slayerlite.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

being overweight is the largest looksmin. Even just about 20 pounds of extra fat will completely ruin all defining facial features and hide your jawline. I've known guys that lose 60 pounds and go from a 2/10 incel to a 8/10 slayerlite.

My mom was actually quite good looking until she became obese as fuck.

 

[Deleted member 5815]

ifelong drinkers and smokers in their 60s look in better shape than men in their late 30s who eat mcdonalds PUFAs everyday and refuse to diet

staying lean and not overeating is the best anti aging trick

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

drinking is terrible but smoking clean tobacco is based

[Part 1] Anti-smoking campaigns are brainwashing you

JFL if u think something pushed that heavily in the media and in schools from such a young age isn't a complete lie If the food pyramid in school was entirely wrong, what makes u think anti-smoking campaigning isn't? Part 1: The Black Lung Lie Black lungs are not caused by tobacco smoke...

looksmax.org

Yeah this is cope, I work at a corner store that sells cigarettes' and all of the people that 30+ people that buy cigarettes' look old af.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

ifelong drinkers and smokers in their 60s look in better shape than men in their late 30s who eat mcdonalds PUFAs everyday and refuse to diet

staying lean and not overeating is the best anti aging trick

That's because older people on average fatter, so being fat is cubsconsiously associated with older age.

But people that smoke or drink will age their skin faster on average.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Being fat is the biggest looksmin, drinking or smoking is second though

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

being overweight is the largest looksmin. Even just about 20 pounds of extra fat will completely ruin all defining facial features and hide your jawline. I've known guys that lose 60 pounds and go from a 2/10 incel to a 8/10 slayerlite.

It's crazy how even 10 pounds of weight can be the difference between a 4/10 and a 6/10 or even a 6/10 and an 8/10

Like leonardo dicpario went from a 9/10 to a 6/10 just from weight gain

Literal 3 point descension on the 1-10 scale

 

[stressftw]

It's crazy how even 10 pounds of weight can be the difference between a 4/10 and a 6/10 or even a 6/10 and an 8/10

Like leonardo dicpario went from a 9/10 to a 6/10 just from weight gain

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Literal 3 point descension on the 1-10 scale

And the problem with heavy weight gain, specially at certain age is that if you want to lean down again your skin will sagg, nasolabial folds are likely to appear, tear trough, etc..

At Leo stage of body fat, is still somewhat "ok" to get on shape and get lean again if you are young

But in his case i believe he would be heavily punished by his current age and collagen if he lean to like 11% bf, he would look like shit (my guess)

Ive seen this phenomenom alot, people that fluctuate bodyfat alot tend to destroy their faces, being too low body fat or too high can destroy your aging process, one should always fluctuate between 12 ~ 15% max throughout life

Descending to 10% bodyfat made me look visible sick and unhealthy. I assume if i had kept this 9-10% range i would've age like shit too

Being too skinny is way less punitive though. U can bulk up and resort to fillers or fat grafting and improve dramatically.

Sagging from heavyweight loss requires invasive lifting procedures and is not predictable

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

There is no point in avoiding drinking and smoking if you don't come off as NT.

If you go to parties and you don't drink, people treat you differently. You're immediately putting a barrier between yourself and other people.

It would definitely fuck with your odds of slaying if you aren't chad tier.

Drink and smoke socially, if people around you are doing it.

Obviously don't do it by yourself, that's just sad.

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Alcohol mogs
Helps ease anxiety and shit and makes you outgoing

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

And the problem with heavy weight gain, specially at certain age is that if you want to lean down again your skin will sagg, nasolabial folds are likely to appear, tear trough, etc..

At Leo stage of body fat, is still somewhat "ok" to get on shape and get lean again if you are young

But in his case i believe he would be heavily punished by his current age and collagen if he lean to like 11% bf, he would look like shit (my guess)

Ive seen this phenomenom alot, people that fluctuate bodyfat alot tend to destroy their faces, being too low body fat or too high can destroy your aging process, one should always fluctuate between 12 ~ 15% max throughout life

Descending to 10% bodyfat made me look visible sick and unhealthy. I assume if i had kept this 9-10% range i would've age like shit too

Being too skinny is way less punitive though. U can bulk up and resort to fillers or fat grafting and improve dramatically.

Sagging from heavyweight loss requires invasive lifting procedures and is not predictable

Yeah that's why keeping your bf% down consistently is so important, otherwise with age the amount of sag will be way way higher.

This is why 12% bf or less is ideal, if you maintain that level consistently you will reduce so much sagging when you age.

The phenomenon you said about being too lean I don't agree with tbh, being very lean prevents skin sagging not exacerbate it

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

What about lack of sleep?

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

And the problem with heavy weight gain, specially at certain age is that if you want to lean down again your skin will sagg, nasolabial folds are likely to appear, tear trough, etc..

At Leo stage of body fat, is still somewhat "ok" to get on shape and get lean again if you are young

But in his case i believe he would be heavily punished by his current age and collagen if he lean to like 11% bf, he would look like shit (my guess)

Ive seen this phenomenom alot, people that fluctuate bodyfat alot tend to destroy their faces, being too low body fat or too high can destroy your aging process, one should always fluctuate between 12 ~ 15% max throughout life

Descending to 10% bodyfat made me look visible sick and unhealthy. I assume if i had kept this 9-10% range i would've age like shit too

Being too skinny is way less punitive though. U can bulk up and resort to fillers or fat grafting and improve dramatically.

Sagging from heavyweight loss requires invasive lifting procedures and is not predictable

Frank Grillo maintains single digit bf% in his 50s and his facial skin looks way better than most dudes his age, being lean helps with age tremendously.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

What about lack of sleep?

Yeah that's a HUGE one too, eyebags, decrease in effectiveness of gym-maxxing, etc.

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

Yeah that's a HUGE one too, eyebags, decrease in effectiveness of gym-maxxing, etc.

Yeah but I'm talking more in terms of collagen loss

 

[bleksandre]

I don’t think that light social drinking is bad, there is nothing wrong drinking some wine when with friends. Idk about smoking, prolly it isn’t that bad if done occasionally socially.

 

[Lawton88]

My dad has been drinking every night for 20 years and he still looks younger than most people his age.

It comes down to genetics and sun exposure most of the time.

Yep I know a few binge drinkers that really put it down a few days a week and they look pretty young for their age like the alcohol is a preservative for them.

 

[Lawton88]

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Frank Grillo maintains single digit bf% in his 50s and his facial skin looks way better than most dudes his age, being lean helps with age tremendously.

Cant see his facial skin up close but they always tell you that real low bodyfat in your 40s and above shows the facial wrinkles more and looks more aged than someone like 15% or above. Being in shape always looks good though.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

I don’t think that light social drinking is bad, there is nothing wrong drinking some wine when with friends. Idk about smoking, prolly it isn’t that bad if done occasionally socially.

Cigarrettes and alcohol are addictive, especially if you have mental health issues, so it's not as simple as "just use in moderation"

Because that applies to cocaine, meth, and heroin too.

If you only used these things occasionally they probably wouldn't have a huge noticeable health effect, the problem is that very few use it in moderation, and the people who have the self-control to use it in moderation should have the self-control to not use it at all because it's all bad for you no matter the level.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Cant see his facial skin up close but they always tell you that real low bodyfat in your 40s and above shows the facial wrinkles more and looks more aged than someone like 15% or above. Being in shape always looks good though.

Idk if that's true, source?

Because the less fat you have the more bones are defined and the less puffiness and sag there is, especially in the body.
I think being very very lean is still ideal.

 

[Lawton88]

Idk if that's true, source?

Because the less fat you have the more bones are defined and the less puffiness and sag there is, especially in the body.
I think being very very lean is still ideal.

Will Being Slim Cause You to Age Faster? - Wrinkles Center

A slim figure is the desire of many people But have you heard that being skinny can make you look older? Learn more, including tips for fighting wrinkles.

www.wrinklescenter.com

"On the surface, it appears losing wait for a slimmer body is more about short-term gain, specifically when you think about appearance of wrinkles.

You can have a great body and flaunt your good-looking face while you are young, but “lose” the latter when you get older. The fat you lose speeds up the rate at which your face age.

In a 2009 twin study, researchers observed differences in the rate of facial aging between identical twins have different amounts of fat in their body. The slimmer twin looked younger under the age of 40, but looked older above the age of 40."

 

[Deleted member 20368]

Smoking and drinking socially is fine but at home it's a looksmin lol

 

[bleksandre]

Cigarrettes and alcohol are addictive, especially if you have mental health issues, so it's not as simple as "just use in moderation"

Because that applies to cocaine, meth, and heroin too.

If you only used these things occasionally they probably wouldn't have a huge noticeable health effect, the problem is that very few use it in moderation, and the people who have the self-control to use it in moderation should have the self-control to not use it at all because it's all bad for you no matter the level.

Do you think that one pint of beer that I drink once a month socially have some impact on my health? I doubt

 

[stressftw]

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Frank Grillo maintains single digit bf% in his 50s and his facial skin looks way better than most dudes his age, being lean helps with age tremendously.

Your example is a guy that use steroids, he can mantain single digit bodyfat whilist he can keep healthy appearence. But he's a double exception, majority of steroid users age like shit and majority of people doesnt use steroids. He has very nice genes.

I agree with you that being lean is crucial, but single digit bodyfat is a stretch and almost impossible to keep in healthy way if you are natty.

8 ~10% is a athetletic level body fat on peds , whilist 10 ~15% is considered lean and ideal for most of us that arent athletes, also, some fat on face is good for aging.

Jared Leto single digit vs normal lean body fat around 12 ~~ 14%, he looks way younger and healthier in the right. I picked Jared Leto because he is a giga bone mogger so is impossible to say that he doesnt look good because of bones, is because your metabolism and your body start to work different on such state, you start to look deprived, weak, tired because you really are, i've been there because i have eating disorder and ive been through several periods of my life on the level of Jared leto on left photo, is insane how sick you feel. This is terrible for aging.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Will Being Slim Cause You to Age Faster? - Wrinkles Center

A slim figure is the desire of many people But have you heard that being skinny can make you look older? Learn more, including tips for fighting wrinkles.

www.wrinklescenter.com

"On the surface, it appears losing wait for a slimmer body is more about short-term gain, specifically when you think about appearance of wrinkles.

You can have a great body and flaunt your good-looking face while you are young, but “lose” the latter when you get older. The fat you lose speeds up the rate at which your face age.

In a 2009 twin study, researchers observed differences in the rate of facial aging between identical twins have different amounts of fat in their body. The slimmer twin looked younger under the age of 40, but looked older above the age of 40."

Huh very interesting, I still think being very lean is important to combat sagging and to maintain bone definition, but this is something to consider.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Do you think that one pint of beer that I drink once a month socially have some impact on my health? I doubt

Only one beer a month probably doesn't, that's totally fine.

The problem is that people with depression say they'll only drink once a month but then they start using it constantly because of their mental health issues.

But yeah if you genuinely only use it once a month there's significantly nothing wrong with that.

 

[FrenchChad]

Smoking give hollow cheeks

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

Your example is a guy that use steroids, he can mantain single digit bodyfat whilist he can keep healthy appearence. But he's a double exception, majority of steroid users age like shit and majority of people doesnt use steroids. He has very nice genes.

I agree with you that being lean is crucial, but single digit bodyfat is a stretch and almost impossible to keep in healthy way if you are natty.

8 ~10% is a athetletic level body fat on peds , whilist 10 ~15% is considered lean and ideal for most of us that arent athletes, also, some fat on face is good for aging.

Jared Leto single digit vs normal lean body fat around 12 ~~ 14%, he looks way younger and healthy. I picked Jared Leto because he is a giga bone mogger so is impossible to say that he doesnt look good because of bones, is because your metabolism and your body start to work different on such state, you start to look deprived, weak, tired because you really are, i've been there because i have eating disorder and ive been through several periods of my life on the level of Jared leto on left photo, is insane how sick you feel. This is terrible for aging.
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Hmm I see, but then if you aren't giga-lean you won't have that cool masculine hyper-cut six pack that is so aesthetic, I guess you gotta choose which is more important

 

[Lawton88]

Huh very interesting, I still think being very lean is important to combat sagging and to maintain bone definition, but this is something to consider.

I actually started observing people for this when out sometimes and I would say once the people were up in age there was less wrinkles with the people with average bodyfat and fat people but I agree with that article it wasn't until about near age 40 that the difference started sticking out.

 

[stressftw]

Hmm I see, but then if you aren't giga-lean you won't have that cool masculine hyper-cut six pack that is so aesthetic, I guess you gotta choose which is more important

If one aim to achieve a hyper-cut six pack, is better hop on steroids. Because to achieve that naturally not only takes good genetics but alot of time and effort plus is extremly unhealthy put yourself on starvating mode. Normal folks cant have hyper-cut abs and muscle volume with single digit bodyfat by norm.

Is always a trade off, you are trading extreme aesthetics for likely and plausible long-lasting sides and premature aging when you choose steroid route, but that's the personal choice. Some prefer explore their youth in exchange to hurt their aging process, some prefer to youthmaxx and avoid anything that can hurt aging process, thats a matter of choice.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

I actually started observing people for this when out sometimes and I would say once the people were up in age there was less wrinkles with the people with average bodyfat and fat people but I agree with that article it wasn't until about near age 40 that the difference started sticking out.

Thing is very low body fat is important for so many aesthetic things and ageing happens no matter what when you're 40+ that I still think being very lean is better, maintaining veins and a six pack is the surest way to mog people of your age group.

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

If one aim to achieve a hyper-cut six pack, is better hop on steroids. Because to achieve that naturally not only takes good genetics but alot of time and effort plus is extremly unhealthy put yourself on starvating mode. Normal folks cant have hyper-cut abs and muscle volume with single digit bodyfat by norm.

Is always a trade off, you are trading extreme aesthetics for likely and plausible long-lasting sides and premature aging when you choose steroid route, but that's the personal choice. Some prefer explore their youth in exchange to hurt their aging process, some prefer to youthmaxx and avoid anything that can hurt aging process, thats a matter of choice.

It takes a lot of time and effort to get there, a lot less to just maintain, and you don't have to be on starvation mode to maintain 8-10% bf, you can eat a normal 2,000 calories just gotta work out and count calories.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Bad fillers, bad plastic surgery (thread lifts and the like), American fashion sense.

 

[Splinter901]

Alcohol and nicotine are low iq subhuman drugs, if I were to do drugs I would go for the good shit like heroin and pshycodelics not fucking depressors jfl you have to be an insecure retard to fall for those

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

yes, krokodil is a bigger looksmin

 

[Deleted member 2268]

ifelong drinkers and smokers in their 60s look in better shape than men in their late 30s who eat mcdonalds PUFAs everyday and refuse to diet

staying lean and not overeating is the best anti aging trick

How does staying lean affect aging

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Alcohol and nicotine are low iq subhuman drugs, if I were to do drugs I would go for the good shit like heroin and pshycodelics not fucking depressors jfl you have to be an insecure retard to fall for those

Nicotine on its own is ok

 

[NECK&VOICE]

Smoking means you are cool and NT. Non-smokers = beta vibe

 

[oldcell]

I was heavy drinker 15 years yet i looks 10 years younger my age, same with Brad Pitt

- bad eating habits - mc donalds and donuts

- lack of exercise and bad sleep

- smoking heavy

All these are much worse than drinking i think for looks, but if we talk about heavy drinking everyday, thats the worst

 

[Deleted member 20368]

Not doing cardio is a looksmin same with steroids

 

[Deleted member 8365]

It's crazy how even 10 pounds of weight can be the difference between a 4/10 and a 6/10 or even a 6/10 and an 8/10

Like leonardo dicpario went from a 9/10 to a 6/10 just from weight gain

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Literal 3 point descension on the 1-10 scale

9/10 ???

 

[TrestIsBest]

Chronic sleep deficit and having no regular wake-sleep-cycle is also a big looksmin, maybe worse than smoking/drinking, especially short-term

 

[LooksmaxxHopeful]

9/10 ???

Yeah, young Leo was definitely a 9/10 in facial aesthetics, although the difference between 8 and 9 might be redundant

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Yeah, young Leo was definitely a 9/10 in facial aesthetics, although the difference between 8 and 9 might be redundant

Nah 8 bro

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Alcohol mogs
Helps ease anxiety and shit and makes you outgoing

Yeah but it’s a huge looksmin. I feel awkward on dates when sober but feel better in general when not drinking. It’s a hard trade off how do you use alcohol?

 

[Mr Test]

It's crazy how even 10 pounds of weight can be the difference between a 4/10 and a 6/10 or even a 6/10 and an 8/10

Like leonardo dicpario went from a 9/10 to a 6/10 just from weight gain

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Literal 3 point descension on the 1-10 scale

there are 20 years between the two Leo pics too