Is there a way to significantly shorten midface?

[Deleted member 7776]

I know about CCW rotation of the maxilla during bimax, but does that significantly shorten the midface?

 

[hairyballscel]

I know about CCW rotation of the maxilla during bimax, but does that significantly shorten the midface?

Shit I didn’t even know you could do that

 

[Deleted member 5912]

ipd change but thats near impossible

 

[hairyballscel]

Chewing with front teeth could cause CCW

 

[Tenshi]

reincarnation

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Chewing with front teeth could cause CCW

Lmfao stop this bs. I'll just get CCW rotation of the maxilla during my bimax. It's okay.

But anything else? Beside bimax? Would MSE help?

 

[Deleted member 6892]

Chewing

 

[hairyballscel]

Lmfao stop this bs. I'll just get CCW rotation of the maxilla during my bimax. It's okay.

But anything else? Beside bimax? Would MSE help?

Chewing with masseters causes CW rotation due to pressure on the back of the maxilla but okay man idgaf do what u like. Good luck

 

[hairyballscel]

reincarnation

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Bimax CWW has only effect on lower third!!!
When people will learn here.

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Chewing with masseters causes CW rotation due to pressure on the back of the maxilla but okay man idgaf do what u like. Good luck

I used to chew mastic gum, like 25 pieces at a time, on each side, for 2 hours / each side for 4-5 months and literally nothing happened

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Bimax CWW has only effect on lower third!!!
When people will learn here.

Nope. It causes the shortening of the midface. You're talking about BSSO. I'm talking about the Lefort1 part of the equation, Lefort1 with CCW rotation

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Nope. It causes the shortening of the midface. You're talking about BSSO. I'm talking about the Lefort1 part of the equation, Lefort1 with CCW rotation

Bro, lower maxilla is part of lower third, Lefort I CWW do jackshit if you havent got long philtrum.

 

[Jon123]

Just mew bro

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Bro, lower maxilla is part of lower third, Lefort I CWW do jackshit if you havent got long philtrum.

Surgerymax said on lookism that a High Upsliding Lefort 1 would shorten the midface. I guess that's what it means. He's an actual surgeon

 

[hairyballscel]

I used to chew mastic gum, like 25 pieces at a time, on each side, for 2 hours / each side for 4-5 months and literally nothing happened

There’s literally a study on it but okay man lucky you

 

[Deleted member 7776]

There’s literally a study on it but okay man lucky you

My point was, I tried it, I gave it time, and literally nothing happened.

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Surgerymax said on lookism that a High Upsliding Lefort 1 would shorten the midface. I guess that's what it means. He's an actual surgeon

High Lefort I
here you go
nobody even know how that cut is done, ask him whats the difference between that and normal Lefort I.

 

[hairyballscel]

My point was, I tried it, I gave it time, and literally nothing happened.

Upward growth on the front of the palate can cause CCW as seen with MARPE

 

[Deleted member 7776]

High Lefort I
here you go
nobody even know how that cut is done, ask him whats the difference between that and normal Lefort I.

This is what the cut looks like

 

[maxlooks]

Elevate the lower eyelid
Upturn the nose tip to make nose look shorter
Stubblemax on lower third
Lengthen the upper (higher hairline) and lower (genioplasty) third to give make middle third look relatively shorter

These are all I could think of to make midface look shorter. Imo slightly long midface looks good/ high class.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

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This is what the cut looks like

I have never seen this done ngl, do you know of any case reports?

 

[Deleted member 7776]

I have never seen this done ngl, do you know of any case reports?

Yep, Zarrinbal and Andreischev do it.

 

[000]

I know about CCW rotation of the maxilla during bimax, but does that significantly shorten the midface?

Crush your skull vertically.

 

[LebenistneHure]

Ok say the cut does shorten your midface skeletally, the biggest issue remaining is if the soft tissue will follow. And as far as I'm aware, it doesn't.

 

[Deleted member 5818]

Bro, lower maxilla is part of lower third, Lefort I CWW do jackshit if you havent got long philtrum.

Will lefort 1 CCW shorten philtrum?

 

[Deleted member 4430]

Will lefort 1 CCW shorten philtrum?

Only if you have gummy smile and after lip lift for soft tissue, then yes.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

There’s literally a study on it but okay man lucky you

There isn’t, the study shows a correlation between masseter muscle size and midface length, nothing else

 

[buckchadley31]

Mewing lol

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Would MSE help?

We’re lacking in before and after a of mse and fm but going by a won-moon simulation you should be able to shorten the midface with upswing. I’m not sure by how much but I think they published the numbers alongside, not sure

 

[hairyballscel]

There isn’t, the study shows a correlation between masseter muscle size and midface length, nothing else

Yes as the masseter gets bigger more pressure is on the back of the maxilla causing CW rotation, a user here chewed and his mid face got longer

 

[Lev Peshkov]

No sorry

 

[Deleted member 1862]

Bimax CWW has only effect on lower third!!!
When people will learn here.

it's getting tiring, OP is legitimately retarded

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

Yes as the masseter gets bigger more pressure is on the back of the maxilla causing CW rotation, a user here chewed and his mid face got longer

No proof that the link between masseter size and midface length is causal, it’s a massive leap made by self described retards on this forum.

look up the masseter muscle or just clench you’re jaw and feel it up from your gonion.
the masseter muscle spans the midface ofc there’s gonna be a correlation

that same user that said chewing made his midface longer also said that running made his midface longer I shit you not.
youre putting way too much trust in users of this forum, its literally bdd seeing shit where it doesn’t exist, no before and after photos.

 

[Deleted member 685]

Nope. It causes the shortening of the midface. You're talking about BSSO. I'm talking about the Lefort1 part of the equation, Lefort1 with CCW rotation

Yes it does but not aesthetically

 

[hairyballscel]

No proof that the link between masseter size and midface length is causal, it’s a massive leap made by self described retards on this forum.

look up the masseter muscle or just clench you’re jaw and feel it up from your gonion.
the masseter muscle spans the midface ofc there’s gonna be a correlation

that same user that said chewing made his midface longer also said that running made his midface longer I shit you not.
youre putting way too much trust in users of this forum, its literally bdd seeing shit where it doesn’t exist, no before and after photos.

I’m gonna be incisor and canine chewing, if it works I’ll see, I need 1.2 midface tbh

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

I’m gonna be incisor and canine chewing, if it works I’ll see, I need 1.2 midface tbh

Worth a shot I guess but it’s honestly complete cope if you look at how they came up with this theory

dont just use midface ratio too btw, it’s not a very useful measure with its reliance on ipd, actual distance of midface and just looking at it is a better way to judge.

I agree though very compact midfaces are great with the right nose

 

[Deleted member 5385]

When I was at restaurant, the waiter was bald, shorter than me, had way worse eyes and cheekbones but I feel mogged by his compact midface. Now when I look at men the first what I see if they have long or compact midfaces. I always feel pissed off by compact cels i even if.my mid is 1.00. Thanks to this forum.
If I will ever get compact midface I will feel literally 1000 times better.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

All I know
-Lefort 1 with ccw rotation
-modified Lefort 3
-MSE+FM
-MARPE+ FM

 

[Deleted member 6310]

Elevate the lower eyelid
Upturn the nose tip to make nose look shorter
Stubblemax on lower third
Lengthen the upper (higher hairline) and lower (genioplasty) third to give make middle third look relatively shorter

These are all I could think of to make midface look shorter. Imo slightly long midface looks good/ high class.

What is “elevating” the lower eyelid?

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Also I always wondered why lower and upper third can be easily changed and middle third is so hard to change

 

[hairyballscel]

dont just use midface ratio too btw, it’s not a very useful measure with its reliance on ipd, actual distance of midface and just looking at it is a better way to judge

My midface height is about 61/62mm do you think that’s good?

 

[hairyballscel]

All I know
-Lefort 1 with ccw rotation
-modified Lefort 3
-MSE+FM
-MARPE+ FM

Can a Lefort 1 with CCW rotation be done with Bimax?
And what will it shorten nose or philtrum? My philtrum is nearly too short tbh

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Can a Lefort 1 with CCW rotation be done with Bimax?
And what will it shorten nose or philtrum? My philtrum is nearly too short tbh

Yeah, of course, probably won't shorter philtrum

 

[hairyballscel]

Yeah, of course, probably won't shorter philtrum

So the nose then? Fuck bimax is looking amazing tbh, my nose is straight, so will it make it upturned?

 

[Deleted member 5385]

So the nose then? Fuck bimax is looking amazing tbh, my nose is straight, so will it make it upturned?

It can sometimes

 

[hairyballscel]

It can sometimes

Thanks

 

[GigaMogger]

I know about CCW rotation of the maxilla during bimax, but does that significantly shorten the midface?

I don't know how significantly but lip lifts do lower the length of the philtrum, depends how horse faced you are ngl

I used to chew mastic gum, like 25 pieces at a time, on each side, for 2 hours / each side for 4-5 months and literally nothing happened

Where did you get your mastic gum? Chewing 25 pieces at a time sounds expensive af based on the prices I've seen

 

[maxlooks]

What is “elevating” the lower eyelid?

I was wrong, elevating the lower eyelid will increase the perceived midface length. Will correct my original post

Edit: can't edit it jfl

 

[nastynas]

maxillary impaction.

and ccw rotation ONLY IF you have gummy smile otherwise nah

you don't even have a long midface and long midface unless horse tier is not a bad trait at all