Is there an ideal fighting physique?

[Jason Voorhees]

Personally I dont think there's such a thing as ideal fighting physique tbh. Even skinny niggas like O'Malley have enough strength to knock people out cold, Fat Bloat lords like Ruiz, Fury can also move quickly in ring and have great cardio. Even paperweight manlets like Mighty mouse are able to ragdoll people twice their size. All of these niggas amazing fighters despite not being super jacked or having very athletic frames it generally comes down to training, skills, experience and killer instincts than physique and brute strength @shizuku11111 @Gargantuan @Bipolar Vamp6ix

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@ShowerMaxxing

 

[LTNUser]

Ciryl Gane

 

[deadstock]

Bruce lee

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Ciryl Gane

No. Best physique in ufc is probably leon Edwards or Usman

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bruce lee

How was your new year bhao

 

[2025cel]

Yes there is it's called "Auschwitz Dravadian" physique, Start Starving to deva puthra rn dawg.

 

[deadstock]

How was your new year bhao

I actually slept thru. Which surprised me cos i usually have light sleep

Now i woke up and just been to the gym

How was urs?

 

[LTNUser]

No. Best physique in ufc is probably leon Edwards or Usman

What about this

 

[LTNUser]

Yes there is it's called "Auschwitz Dravadian" physique, Start Starving to deva puthra rn dawg.

Deva puthra?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I actually slept thru. Which surprised me cos i usually have light sleep

Now i woke up and just been to the gym

How was urs?

I went to the church and came back and had a late night barbecue wirh family. Everyone liked my choice of champagne

I bought some champagne for the new year

VSOP Remy Martin. 1 L bottle. Going to crack it open at the family dinner table at midnight on new year's day. It was expensive but I blind bought it regardless hopefully it tastes decent @Brus Wane

looksmax.org

 

[deadstock]

I went to the church and came back and had a late night barbecue wirh family. Everyone liked my choice of champagne

I bought some champagne for the new year

VSOP Remy Martin. 1 L bottle. Going to crack it open at the family dinner table at midnight on new year's day. It was expensive but I blind bought it regardless hopefully it tastes decent @Brus Wane

looksmax.org

Hindu church? Or did u grow up christian?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Hindu church? Or did u grow up christian?

Born and raised Christian.

 

[greycel]

Best is for sure The Last Emperor's:

He was going against guys who were much taller than him with longer reaches and weighed sometimes 30kg more due to being juiced out of their fucking minds

But he destroyed all with his explosivity and one shot power

You need wide shoulders, with wide waist, with long arms, with dense bones

If I needed to fight somebody no weight limit, I would ask for this physique

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Hindu church? Or did u grow up christian?

Maybe I will spend 2026 new year wirh a cute german gf?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Best is for sure The Last Emperor's:
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He was going against guys who were much taller than him with longer reaches and weighed sometimes 30kg more due to being juiced out of their fucking minds

But he destroyed all with his explosivity and one shot power

You need wide shoulders, with wide waist, with long arms, with dense bones

If I needed to fight somebody no weight limit, I would ask for this physique

He also got knocked out cold by Dan Henderson who is much smaller than him with less muscle.

 

[deadstock]

Maybe I will spend 2026 new year wirh a cute german gf?

Good luck

 

[flippasav]

What do you call an ideal fighting physique? I would say a v-shaped torso with a small waist but well built muscles obviously

 

[taxidrivermaxxer]

Yoel romero, charles oliveira and leon edwards

 

[cucklek]

long legs and arms for reach, big lats and shoulders for punching power, medium arm and leg size for speed and flexibility

strong core and neck for stability

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

It depends what you mean. If you mean the most advantageous physique it would be like many greats Jones, O‘Malley, Izzy, Perriera, Khamzat. They all have the same in common, much taller and longer than their opponents

The most desirable dimorphic traits are also the best for fighting. That’s why women select for tall men with broad shoulders

 

[zainab]

No. Best physique in ufc is probably leon Edwards or Usman

Best looking physique doesn’t equal best for fighting.

Best for general fighting is probably alex pereira/izzy/jon jones - tall with long limbs with enough power but not too overjacked so that it impacts cardio.

Best for professional fighting is being able to cut a lot and weightbully people

 

[notsocommonthumb]

Best is for sure The Last Emperor's:
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He was going against guys who were much taller than him with longer reaches and weighed sometimes 30kg more due to being juiced out of their fucking minds

But he destroyed all with his explosivity and one shot power

You need wide shoulders, with wide waist, with long arms, with dense bones

If I needed to fight somebody no weight limit, I would ask for this physique

but what would he do against someone like giant silva?

221cm tall and 175-202kg

 

[asymmetrygod]

Personally I dont think there's such a thing as ideal fighting physique tbh. Even skinny niggas like O'Malley have enough strength to knock people out cold, Fat Bloat lords like Ruiz, Fury can also move quickly in ring and have great cardio. Even paperweight manlets like Mighty mouse are able to ragdoll people twice their size. All of these niggas amazing fighters despite not being super jacked or having very athletic frames it generally comes down to training, skills, experience and killer instincts than physique and brute strength @shizuku11111 @Gargantuan @Bipolar Vamp6ix

İdk but high muscle mass isntt suitable for fighting

 

[asymmetrygod]

Mma fighters do not exceed 70 kg and are generally 5'7-5'11 tall.

 

[swt]

 

[mr007]

Olivier Richters would reck those manlets in half

 

[666PSL]

170 lean with a physique like Leon Edwards

 

[asymmetrygod]

Even a normal person can destroy sumo wrestlers. They're 200 kg gooks with no mobility

 

[marshadow]

Personally I dont think there's such a thing as ideal fighting physique tbh. Even skinny niggas like O'Malley have enough strength to knock people out cold, Fat Bloat lords like Ruiz, Fury can also move quickly in ring and have great cardio. Even paperweight manlets like Mighty mouse are able to ragdoll people twice their size. All of these niggas amazing fighters despite not being super jacked or having very athletic frames it generally comes down to training, skills, experience and killer instincts than physique and brute strength @shizuku11111 @Gargantuan @Bipolar Vamp6ix

Francis Ngannou

 

[greycel]

but what would he do against someone like giant silva?
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221cm tall and 175-202kg

Destroy him, like he did with this 2.2m kickboxer

Same guy:

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

Personally I dont think there's such a thing as ideal fighting physique tbh. Even skinny niggas like O'Malley have enough strength to knock people out cold, Fat Bloat lords like Ruiz, Fury can also move quickly in ring and have great cardio. Even paperweight manlets like Mighty mouse are able to ragdoll people twice their size. All of these niggas amazing fighters despite not being super jacked or having very athletic frames it generally comes down to training, skills, experience and killer instincts than physique and brute strength @shizuku11111 @Gargantuan @Bipolar Vamp6ix

Theoretically, in nature by fighting it should means ,

-you have ability to run faster ( small hips , lean body and small waist )

- Very wide shoulders ( Indicator of strength and throwing weapons and using weapons )
( atleast above 23 inches bideltoid )

So atleast from what I have observed and nothing comes close to it ,
Peak hunter gatherer fighting body is this .

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@greycel This mogs this fighter physique you posted hard.

Even functionality wise too ,
because fighting in nature includes running , throwing sharp objects , And ofcourse strength too

Best is for sure The Last Emperor's:
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He was going against guys who were much taller than him with longer reaches and weighed sometimes 30kg more due to being juiced out of their fucking minds

But he destroyed all with his explosivity and one shot power

You need wide shoulders, with wide waist, with long arms, with dense bones

If I needed to fight somebody no weight limit, I would ask for this physique

 

[greycel]

Theoretically, in nature by fighting it should means ,

-you have ability to run faster ( small hips , lean body and small waist )

- Very wide shoulders ( Indicator of strength and throwing weapons and using weapons )
( atleast above 23 inches bideltoid )

So atleast from what I have observed and nothing comes close to it ,
Peak hunter gatherer fighting body is this .
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@greycel This mogs this fighter physique you posted hard.

Even functionality wise too ,
because fighting in nature includes running , throwing sharp objects , And ofcourse strength too

Nah I'll briefly explain why

Back during the hunter gatherer time, differences in physiques didn't contribute to who could hunt better
We used spears and other weapons. The one who had more penetrative power (using torque from the hips) used to get prey (so wider hips/longer arms)

This was a more significant factor than the variance in pace/speed, because the difference between average and top speed between humans wouldn't have been enough relative to the prey (other animals) they were hunting. The average human would be only slightly slower in the grand scheme chasing say a rabbit
A faster human wouldn't have been able to get significantly more food than somebody slower

The largest difference came through social hierarchy and power. Who was more dangerous amongst other humans
In this, the one who was the most capable physically would shine
They didn't decide this by running a race jfl. It used to be through strength/physicality

When it comes to that, the ideal physique would have been Very Wide shoulders, with a Wide/Very Wide waist

The physique you posted looks good because of the narrow waist. The guy would not have power or respect amongst the people at that point in time
He would be inferior
This guy benefits from the society we have created, where we praise twink like anti-dimorphic features like narrow waist

Also it's nothing to do with Bideltoid, and 23 inches bideltoid is nuts. It wasn't possible back then, and is certainly very rare right now with roids
People had lower amounts of muscle mass, those who had more dense and wider bone structures would have been the ones blessed genetically
Somebody with a wide waist + wide shoulders has a much higher genetic ceiling

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

Theoretically, in nature by fighting it should means ,

-you have ability to run faster ( small hips , lean body and small waist )

- Very wide shoulders ( Indicator of strength and throwing weapons and using weapons )
( atleast above 23 inches bideltoid )

So atleast from what I have observed and nothing comes close to it ,
Peak hunter gatherer fighting body is this .
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@greycel This mogs this fighter physique you posted hard.

Even functionality wise too ,
because fighting in nature includes running , throwing sharp objects , And ofcourse strength too

@greycel
Cody Simpson bideltoid is might be even slightly wider than Fedor as his Head width to bideltoid ratio is better .

I didn't fall for the illusion of small waist in judging their bidelt width.

I agree Fedor have a widish skull too , so it doesn't do justice.

Overall I say they both have around same bideltoid width.



But Imagine long time ago in a huge jungle .

Both had equal fighting skills and fight iq and same height .

and both got some sharp objects as weapons .
bow and arrows, sword , etc

Who will kill whom ?

Easily first physique guy .

But why?

He might even have less strength that Fedor ,
Because of his small waist and hips.

But he still got way way more advantage to kill Fedor , because of his faster durability, ability to move fast .
He has Higher stamina .

And obviously first physique guy has good amount of strength too.( because of his wide shoulders )


It isn't MMA or boxing were space is limited ,

But a huge jungle , where you can run around and throw weapons on your enemy.

 

[greycel]

Cody has a tiny skull

Fedor in motion, with a very wide waist:

and both got some sharp objects as weapons .
bow and arrows, sword , etc

Who will kill whom ?

It's not really fair to introduce weapons, because in a pack you wouldn't try to fight another with a weapon in your hand. It's the equivalent to who would do better with a gun, then your physical traits don't matter it's an IQ game and reaction speed
Without spears it's clear a guy with Fedor's physique will utterly stomp somebody such as Physique 1

But to entertain your hypothetical.

faster durability, ability to move fast .
He has Higher stamina .

The durability would go towards Fedor. The dense bonemass will have better mineral bone density
Speed will go to Cody, but with weapons it is largely the reaction speed and IQ. Speed won't matter that much
Stamina is dependent on how much mass you have to move. A fight to the death won't involve much stamina

Durability and Power (having more force when impaling the other) or using more power for a blunt object (club), will be the deciding factor
It's very simple to imagine.
Say you were given two environments. First fight is on the ground, 1 on 1, you can choose a narrow waist with wide shoulders or wide waist with wide shoulders.
You'll pick the latter for sure. Because we understand the importance of power

Second scenario, you are fighting somebody with a club (blunt object). Again you will choose the one who will need the less amount of hits/ will exert more power behind every hit/ will be more durable to the attacks

Last scenario, a sharp object. To fully wedge something into somebody and not graze, you must drive it through
This will be dependent on the force applied, but it will be minimal compared to the previous scenarios. Arm length/reaction speed/IQ will matter much more than any of the physical differences we are comparing

In every physical confrontation
For every % chance success of surviving your predator or killing your prey, you will need more physical power

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

Cody has a tiny skull
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Fedor in motion, with a very wide waist:



It's not really fair to introduce weapons, because in a pack you wouldn't try to fight another with a weapon in your hand. It's the equivalent to who would do better with a gun, then your physical traits don't matter it's an IQ game and reaction speed
Without spears it's clear a guy with Fedor's physique will utterly stomp somebody such as Physique 1

But to entertain your hypothetical.

The durability would go towards Fedor. The dense bonemass will have better mineral bone density
Speed will go to Cody, but with weapons it is largely the reaction speed and IQ. Speed won't matter that much
Stamina is dependent on how much mass you have to move. A fight to the death won't involve much stamina

Durability and Power (having more force when impaling the other) or using more power for a blunt object (club), will be the deciding factor
It's very simple to imagine.
Say you were given two environments. First fight is on the ground, 1 on 1, you can choose a narrow waist with wide shoulders or wide waist with wide shoulders.
You'll pick the latter for sure. Because we understand the importance of power

Second scenario, you are fighting somebody with a club (blunt object). Again you will choose the one who will need the less amount of hits/ will exert more power behind every hit/ will be more durable to the attacks

Last scenario, a sharp object. To fully wedge something into somebody and not graze, you must drive it through
This will be dependent on the force applied, but it will be minimal compared to the previous scenarios. Arm length/reaction speed/IQ will matter much more than any of the physical differences we are comparing

In every physical confrontation
For every % chance success of surviving your predator or killing your prey, you will need more physical power

Brutal ,
You destroyed my copes one by one .

Yh I agree in a normal fight a guy with wide shoulders and wide waist ,
Will beat the opposite. .


But I still beleive that if weapons , bow , spears , taken into account .
And assuming both guys have equal fight iq .

Than a Lean twink with small waist but good shoulders ,
who runs very fast

Will beat a bulky guy who is slow .

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

@greycel why that reaction ?
I read every word by you.

It's just my opinion ,

 

[Bipolar Vamp6ix]

I'd say that having a good physique in and of itself doesnt necessarily make you a good fighter, like if you were to put david laid for example, against someone not conventionally 'fit looking' like o'malley or aspinall, they would beat the living daylights out of him. But give the same guy years of training and masterjng each discipline, and a semi-decent gas tank, and he beats them, with his physique also playing a major role as it adds to overall athleticism in the ring. But not all "gymcel" physiques would translate well into fighting because, muscle mass aside, it gets to a point where their mobility is slowed down. I would say that the higher up you go in weight classes (to a certain degree) physique doesnt really matter, like DC, heavyweight jones, derrick lewis, etc, because those guys conventionally dont look like fighters but would fuck anyone up. And most of the greatest looking UFC physiques would probably be Welterweights/middleweights because at that division its the right balance of muscle mass, and weight as well as technical skill, and athleticism.
Now im not going to get into the whole incel looksmaxer analysis of physiques with bideltoids and waist length and all that shit, but generally as a fighter, and from what ive seen having fought in 2 weight divisions, the most "ideal" physiques have a decent height and reach advantage, wide shoulders, small calves, and a conditioned core (amongst other things) but its not that they have these that make them a good fighter alone, its that theyre a good fighter because they have these amongst other things.
But thats not to say that absolute manlets (in lower weight classes) and ogres (in higher ones) wont beat them, because at the end of it, genetics and physiqe aside, mma or combat sports generally is about training, mastery, technical ability, conditioning and who wants it more

 

[Bipolar Vamp6ix]

Mma fighters do not exceed 70 kg and are generally 5'7-5'11 tall.

Yeah if youre talking lightweights only
Other weight divisoions exist too you retard

 

[Debetro]

Yeah Richard Ramirez has it.

 

[goober55]

Best is for sure The Last Emperor's:
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He was going against guys who were much taller than him with longer reaches and weighed sometimes 30kg more due to being juiced out of their fucking minds

But he destroyed all with his explosivity and one shot power

You need wide shoulders, with wide waist, with long arms, with dense bones

If I needed to fight somebody no weight limit, I would ask for this physique

100%

 

[greycel]

@greycel why that reaction ?
I read every word by you.

It's just my opinion ,

Reaction in response to this part:

Brutal ,
You destroyed my copes one by one .

I mean fair enough if you truly were in the position and given the option between lean twink with small waist, wide shoulders and lean macho dude with wide waist, wide shoulders.. you'd go for the former
I think 95+% of people will go for the latter
More torque when handling a makeshift spear/sword
If you throw a spear at somebody (main way humans hunted), you would be able to throw the spear with more force and further

 

[greycel]

100%
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@SomethingIsWrong

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

@SomethingIsWrong

I think in a fight with weapons It's more about being lean and athletic with good strength,


Waist size is irrelevant .
You can be lean with wide waist too,


But being bulky like Fedor ?
Might mog in mma .

But in a fight where u have run a lot , throw sharp things.

Idk

 

[goober55]

Vast majority of people have never really trained in a combat sport, or conversely been in many street fights. In either scenario, exerting a weight advantage for grappling, as well as a durability to things like liver and stomach shots is essential. A more square body and toned limbs minmaxes what you want, which is fast and powerful striking with a solid center for grappling. Ex. the man jon jones is scared to fight

 

[greycel]

Vast majority of people have never really trained in a combat sport, or conversely been in many street fights. In either scenario, exerting a weight advantage for grappling, as well as a durability to things like liver and stomach shots is essential. A more square body and toned limbs minmaxes what you want, which is fast and powerful striking with a solid center for grappling. Ex. the man jon jones is scared to fight
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What do you think causes the explosivity of guys like Fedor or Aspinall?
Is it the way they trained from the start (I'm pretty sure this was the case for Aspinall)?

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

. you'd go for the former
I think 95+% of people will go for the latter
More torque when handling a makeshift spear/sword
If you throw a spear at somebody (main way humans hunted), you would be able to throw the spear with more force and further

Yupp i agree.
I choose wide waist and wide shoulder.


But in current world ,
No I won't.

 

[goober55]

What do you think causes the explosivity of guys like Fedor or Aspinall?
Is it the way they trained from the start (I'm pretty sure this was the case for Aspinall)?

they are throwing their entire body into their punches and kicks, and they dont have to jump around to dodge strikes.

In aspinall's case, he always walks forward because his size and striking ability allows him to make the first move. Obviously their wingspans are doing some of the work, but the fact that they have strong arms is what makes their opponents keen on curling up or running backwards.

 

[greycel]

Yupp i agree.
I choose wide waist and wide shoulder.


But in current world ,
No I won't.

Yeah in today's world we aren't at the mercy of nature
You'll benefit more from looking like you are capable, than actually being capable
Most people if not in a life or death scenario would go for wide shoulders narrow waist because it fits today's beauty standards

I personally wouldn't though, but that's because I'd rather pass highly dimorphic genetics for my children than what will make society value them with

 

[SomethingIsWrong]

Yeah in today's world we aren't at the mercy of nature
You'll benefit more from looking like you are capable, than actually being capable
Most people if not in a life or death scenario would go for wide shoulders narrow waist because it fits today's beauty standards

I personally wouldn't though, but that's because I'd rather pass highly dimorphic genetics for my children than what will make society value them with

Btw just after that Fouty winner is declared , I'm deleting my account.

You don't use discord at all ?