Is this a reasonable surgical plan?

[idescended]

I feel like this plan is under advancing me, thoughts?

 

[geenk worg]

Fuck if i know, i can't see your face

 

[jon_chase89]

A postop occlusal plane of 9.4 is still pretty damn steep. I think the problem is this surgeon isn't comfortable doing the necessary amount of CCW

 

[idescended]

A postop occlusal plane of 9.4 is still pretty damn steep. I think the problem is this surgeon isn't comfortable doing the necessary amount of CCW

I’d be surprised if that’s the case since he has done thousands of them, he does like 2 of them everyday

Maybe he hasn’t given the plan much thought? Although I did make it clear am mostly doing this for asthestics

Or he simply doesn’t have an eye for aesthetics

I am in a very bad position if I cancel/reschedule do you think its still worth going through with it

 

[lurking truecel]

I’d be surprised if that’s the case since he has done thousands of them, he does like 2 of them everyday

Maybe he hasn’t given the plan much thought? Although I did make it clear am mostly doing this for asthestics

Or he simply doesn’t have an eye for aesthetics

I am in a very bad position if I cancel/reschedule do you think its still worth going through with it

It's not really about how many he does, some still don't want do so much CCW

 

[upcoming gooner]

just ropemaxx at this point. only gooning can save you

 

[idescended]

It's not really about how many he does, some still don't want do so much CCW

So he doesn’t have an eye for aesthetics? Is the plan terrible?

 

[lurking truecel]

But I mean to be fair the plan seems a bit conservative, it might be good tho. But 2,7 upper maxilla seems very small movements. And the bsso must be really small considering the genio must be at least 3 mm of the 11 mm you move forward. I mean it can still be really good ofc and you will ascend but the difference maybe is not that much

 

[idescended]

@NZb6Air @BimaxLaser @greycel thoughts?

 

[lurking truecel]

So he doesn’t have an eye for aesthetics? Is the plan terrible?

But I see some problem with your upper teeth, the are protruding very much, this is probably why he is conservative. Did he suggest you should remove teeth ? Because that's what the usually do when teeth protrudes like that.

 

[idescended]

But I see some problem with your upper teeth, the are protruding very much, this is probably why he is conservative. Did he suggest you should remove teeth ? Because that's what the usually do when teeth protrudes like that.

Nope didn’t mention removing teeth, but he did mention my teeth roots are very high not sure if that’s significant

 

[lurking truecel]

Nope didn’t mention removing teeth, but he did mention my teeth roots are very high not sure if that’s significant

I mean it will change result a bit, but yeah this plan is good for function. He will not widen the ramuses ?

 

[idescended]

I mean it will change result a bit, but yeah this plan is good for function. He will not widen the ramuses ?

Man I told him I want to fix assymetry aswell and I told him about widening he said I will just fix assymetry

But he’s not even fixing it for some reason? It doesn’t even make sense at this point

 

[idescended]

I mean it will change result a bit, but yeah this plan is good for function. He will not widen the ramuses ?

I literally told him am only doing this for asthetiscs don’t even bullshit him at all about health reasons

 

[BimaxLaser]

I literally told him am only doing this for asthetiscs don’t even bullshit him at all about health reasons

So no insurance than? How big is your overbite?

 

[lurking truecel]

I literally told him am only doing this for asthetiscs don’t even bullshit him at all about health reasons

Yes I mean the genio is what makes the biggest difference for aesthetics probably here. But he didn't do any widening ?

 

[lurking truecel]

So no insurance than? How big is your overbite?

Haha obv none as you can see

 

[idescended]

So no insurance than? How big is your overbite?

Surgeon is out of pocket, idk but he’s only moving one side of my mandible 4mm and the other 6mm

Genio 4 mm

 

[idescended]

Haha obv none as you can see

What do you mean? I don’t have overbite?

 

[idescended]

Yes I mean the genio is what makes the biggest difference for aesthetics probably here. But he didn't do any widening ?

what do you mean? No 0 widening as you can see

 

[lurking truecel]

What do you mean? I don’t have overbite?

You have a slight but not significant, maybe a few mm overbite

 

[lurking truecel]

what do you mean? No 0 widening as you can see

Why not ? Seems like you could benefit from it. Which country are you from ? I am gonna guess you are a americancel because this looks like a American type of bimax

 

[idescended]

You have bit not significant, maybe a few mm

The surgeon also said my chin isn’t really that recessed either?

So why is my profile so dog shit?

Why not ? Seems like you could benefit from it. Which country are you from ? I am gonna guess you are a americancel because this looks like a American type of bimax

He says he doesn’t want to risk any tmj issues, but he’s not even moving them by a little just to fix assymetry which is crazy

 

[lurking truecel]

The surgeon also said my chin isn’t really that recessed either?

So why is my profile so dog shit?

He says he doesn’t want to risk any tmj issues, but he’s not even moving them by a little just to fix assymetry which is crazy

Do you have any TMJ issues as of right now? I mean it's s good thing in some way because TMJ is no joke. But I mean it can be bad for aesthetics, but some people say widening can help with TMJ to some degree also.( But yes it's more risk for sure)

 

[idescended]

Do you have any TMJ issues as of right now? I mean it's s good thing in some way because TMJ is no joke. But I mean it can be bad for aesthetics, but some people say widening can help with TMJ to some degree also.( But yes it's more risk for sure)

No tmj issues

am very disappointed to be honest, he seemed aesthetic oriented in our consultation. But now I can see the plan is quite terrible

 

[lurking truecel]

The surgeon also said my chin isn’t really that recessed either?

So why is my profile so dog shit?

Hmm i mean who is your surgeon, is he even slightly blackpilled ?

 

[lurking truecel]

No tmj issues

am very disappointed to be honest, he seemed aesthetic oriented in our consultation. But now I can see the plan is quite terrible

I mean the plan is not terrible but the bimax in itself will not change much because of lack of both widening and CCW(also not even 3 mm upper which is very conservative). It's like you are getting a bimax for a genio

 

[idescended]

@BimaxLaser you didn’t tell me what you think?

 

[muragoat]

I feel like this plan is under advancing me, thoughts?View attachment 3429282View attachment 3429315

u might could advance more maxilla but ur infraorbitals looks recessed so in order to advance more at lf1 cut u would need infraorbitals implants

 

[idescended]

u might could advance more maxilla but ur infraorbitals looks recessed so in order to advance more at lf1 cut u would need infraorbitals implants

Yes he did mention that, what about the rest of the plan

 

[muragoat]

Yes he did mention that, what about the rest of the plan

if he considered that, this is reasonable plan but you could handle more ccw

 

[muragoat]

Yes he did mention that, what about the rest of the plan

i think you should get the implants and the trimax, not only trimax

 

[idescended]

i think you should get the implants and the trimax, not only trimax

Not possible for now, if I choose that I will be ugly for 5 more years

 

[muragoat]

Not possible for now, if I choose that I will be ugly for 5 more years

what s ur budget?

 

[idescended]

what s ur budget?

am legit broke af, I was hoping I wouldnt need the implants if I get a really good bimax

 

[muragoat]

am legit broke af, I was hoping I wouldnt need the implants if I get a really good bimax

well i can t see your face, so you know better than me if you need those

 

[idescended]

well i can t see your face, so you know better than me if you need those

I need everything under the sun

 

[BimaxLaser]

@BimaxLaser you didn’t tell me what you think?

Cause I am not very knowledgeable

 

[idescended]

Cause I am not very knowledgeable

If the bimax laser doesn’t even know am truly fucked

 

[BimaxLaser]

If the bimax laser doesn’t even know am truly fucked

Its just a name mane @lurking truecel is a lot more knowledgeable than I am