is transmaxxing a viable option

[got.daim]

They are very obvious once you know what to look for, but yeah most normies don't have any idea, mostly because they don't really have a conception of what it means for a woman to transition, not because women are particularly good at transitioning. The normie knows what a FTM is theory but IRL is a different story. The idea that a young healthy woman would cut off her tits and grow a beard through testosterone injections is just too outside of their reality for them to acknowledge. This makes it so when they encounter these people irl, it's almost as if they don't exist. The normie has no conception of what this person is and so just think of them as some weird sounding short guy instead of appreciating the extent of the horror of what they are actually witnessing.

what would be the opposite of that for MTFs? They're too tall, they have a visible adams apple, I think normies instantly can tell its a trans if it doesnt pass well. Even the top 75%, the ones with subtle features like looks like a woman but shoulders are out of a cis womans range normies start to get sus.

 

[got.daim]

No one notices men as much is nr one. Nr two what trans guys have is a lack of size and features. Lack of height (only makes him even less visible lmao), lack of shoulder width, hand size, foot size, beard, etc. Lack is less noticable than having something that sticks out, literaly lmao. What trans women suffer from is having what they are not supposed to have, an excess. Having a huge adams apple, massive shoulders, height, big hands and bones, beard, cock bulge lmao, etc. These things are something so out of place on a woman it is much more jarring to see.

I get it. Its basically like one thing as a troon and its over everyone would notice or think your some weird woman, whereas trans guys are just invisible guys unless they're tall. Holy shit that has to be one of the worst mental illnesses someone could have

 

[hypernormie]

I;ve noticed it too, but its usually genetics from the fathers side. When women marry a more masculine guy the girl will look more masculine. Unironically when I;m outside I dont even notice other people, unless I;m in their way or something, I just think to myself

There might be something to it

I read somewhere that makes are increasing in size at 4x the rate of women because of sexual liberation

Basically women are all reproducing with Chad's now that they have the option and it's causing males to grow exponentially

This then may have some effect on the women as evolution doesn't really discern who to give the mogger genes to

Reproducing with a hyper masculine Chad will make your sons into moggers and increase their genetic fitness but if you have a daughter she will also inherit those mogger genes and this will reduce her fitness

There was this interesting diagram with birds that explained it well but I can't find it rn

 

[hypernormie]

I get it. Its basically like one thing as a troon and its over everyone would notice or think your some weird woman, whereas trans guys are just invisible guys unless they're tall. Holy shit that has to be one of the worst mental illnesses someone could have

Male infants are masculinized away from a state of femininity (why do you have nipples?) and the degree of masculinization is the degree to which you have gained masculine features due to exposure to testosterone. The same is true for females with estrogen but it applies to fewer features, mainly the breasts and hips.

Think of it as:

For men: N + X = E (X required)
For women: N + [X] = E (X optional)

Where N is a state of phenotypic neutrality and X is dimorphic hormone exposure and E is and end state of sufficient dimorphism.

The features that males gain through puberty, which differentiate them from women are mostly bony, and hard to modify features (we are familiar with this in the looksmaxxing community) these features are so significant because they are hard to fake and are therefore honest signals of genetic quality. Examples of the most significant masculine features are mandible size, brow ridge size, voice depth, shoulder width, pelvis size, penis size, general bone length and size. Notice how these are features that are grown on top of functional development. All these features are ornamental, meaning a large factor in their existence is to purely express that the organism is capable of developing them and the extent of their development is the purpose of their development. These are all difficult to modify compared to the features that differentiate women from men which are determined mostly by fat deposits in the breasts and hips.

The main differentiating female bony feature is pelvis size, and this variations in the size of the pelvis for women can have an undue impact on their attractiveness for this exact reason (similar to how the plethora of male features effect a man's attractivess.) As mentioned previously, males have to modify far more features to appear feminine than women do to appear masculine. Why is this?

Men are selected for their degree of masculinity whereas women are selected regardless of their degree of femininity. It is much more difficult to pass as a masculine male than it is to pass as a feminine female because a masculine male has to develop far more features than a feminine woman. Hyper femininity can take the form of the small breasted nymph as well as the large breasted vixen. For males their exists no such distinction. You are either masculine or you are not and the degree of a males attractivess is the degree of his masculinization. This is almost a perfect positive relationship until you reach the extremes (and even then it's still relatively positive.)

In this way, women can more easily pass as a basic male, because the bar for entry into basic masculinity is far lower as there is a larger abundance of underdeveloped males or males who simply lack the necessary testosterone exposure to be considered truly masculine, although still male. In fact it is incredibly common for men to not be masculinized enough to be considered ideally masculine, far more common than it is for women to be not developed enough to be considered feminine (probably impossible) or too masculinely developed to be considered feminine (very improbable.) Simply growing a beard and not having tits is enough to enter the underdeveloped male category but it's much harder to pass as a failed female because so few of them exist as the criteria to be a failed female is harder to achieve. Almost no women are 6'2, almost no women have skulls over 23 inches, almost no women have a shoe size of US 11, etc. However there are enough underdeveloped males that transitioning women can blend in. Now these failed males are usually still more masculine than the average FTM but we are way more accustomed to see under masculinized men than we are in seeing over masculinized women. It's just a probability thing.

Like I said, once you know what to look for though, the FTM is easy to spot, they are still generally less masculinized than the average male but if they don't bring attention to themselves, it's much easier to mistakenly classify them as a underdeveloped male rather than a woman on testosterone.

 

[Yeagerist]

Bro you send 50k to female user and now you want to trannymax what are u even doing

 

[got.daim]

Male infants are masculinized away from a state of femininity (why do you have nipples?) and the degree of masculinization is the degree to which you have gained masculine features due to exposure to testosterone. The same is true for females with estrogen but it applies to fewer features, mainly the breasts and hips.

Think of it as:

For men: N + X = E (X required)
For women: N + [X] = E (X optional)

Where N is a state of phenotypic neutrality and X is dimorphic hormone exposure and E is and end state of sufficient dimorphism


The features that males gain through puberty, which differentiate them from women are mostly bony, and hard to modify features (we are familiar with this in the looksmaxxing community) these features are so significant because they are hard to fake and are therefore honest signals of genetic quality. Examples of the most significant masculine features are mandible size, brow ridge size, voice depth, shoulder width, pelvis size, penis size, general bone length and size. Notice how these are features that are grown on top of functional development. All these features are ornamental, meaning a large factor in their existence is to purely express that the organism is capable of developing them and the extent of their development is the purpose of their development. These are all difficult to modify compared to the features that differentiate women from men which are determined mostly by fat deposits in the breasts and hips.

The main differentiating female bony feature is pelvis size, and this variations in the size of the pelvis for women can have an undue impact on their attractiveness for this exact reason (similar to how the plethora of male features effect a man's attractivess.) As mentioned previously, males have to modify far more features to appear feminine than women do to appear masculine. Why is this?

Men are selected for their degree of masculinity whereas women are selected regardless of their degree of femininity. It is much more difficult to pass as a masculine male than it is to pass as a feminine female because a masculine male has to develop far more features than a feminine woman. Hyper femininity can take the form of the small breasted nymph as well as the large breasted vixen. For males their exists no such distinction. You are either masculine or you are not and the degree of a males attractivess is the degree of hai masculinization it's almost a perfect positive relationship until you reach the extremes (and even then it's still relatively positive.)

In this way, women can more easily pass as a basic male, because the bar for entry into basic masculinity is far lower as there is a larger abundance of "failed males" or males who simply lack the necessary masculinization to be considered truly masculine, although they are still obviously male. In fact it is incredibly common for men to not be masculinized enough to be considered masculine, far more common than it is for women to be not developed enough to be considered feminine (probably impossible) or too masculinely developed to be considered feminine (very improbable.) Simply growing a beard and not having tits is enough to enter the underdeveloped male category but it's much harder to pass as a failed female because so few of them exist as the criteria to be a failed female is harder to achieve. Almost no women are 6'2, almost no women have skulls over 23 inches, almost no women have a shoe size of US 11, etc. However there are enough underdeveloped males that transitioning women can blend in. Now these failed males are usually still more masculine than the average FTM but we are way more accustomed to see under masculinized men than we are in seeing over masculinized women. It's just a probability thing.

Like I said, once you know what to look for though, the FTM is easy to spot, they are still generally less masculinized than the average male but if they don't bring attention to themselves, it's much easier to mistakenly classify them as a underdeveloped male rather than a woman on testosterone.

holy dnr give a tldr

 

[160cmcurry]

I'm 6'2 and my hands and skull are too large, I'm also not mentally ill but I'm wondering if its a legit option, I mean incel guy to attractive girl would help, especially if you pass really well.

edit: Im not a faggot myself, just curious on others opinion

don’t even

you’re too masculine

 

[got.daim]

don’t even

you’re too masculine

sybau let a niqqa try

 

[hypernormie]

holy dnr give a tldr

The bar for being a woman is much lower than the bar for being a man because femininity is simply a lack of masculinity, while masculinity is the expression of testosterone.

For men: N + X = E (X required)
For women: N + [X] = E (X optional)

Where N is a state of phenotypic neutrality and X is dimorphic hormone exposure and E is and end state of sufficient dimorphism

This leads to a higher overall standard for what indicates adequate masculinity. This then produces a lot of "failed" or under-masculinized males, for which it is easy for the FTM to blend in with.

It's much rarer for a woman to receive excess testosterone compared to how common it is for a man to lack testosterone.

We are used to seeing undermasculinized men, and FTM's are electing to enter this group. We are not used to seeing over masculinized women, which is what most MTF's end up being.

Panzram explained it already but I wanted to yap.

 

[got.daim]

The bar for being a woman is much lower than the bar for being a man because femininity is simply a lack of masculinity, while masculinity is the expression of testosterone.

For men: N + X = E (X required)
For women: N + [X] = E (X optional)

Where N is a state of phenotypic neutrality and X is dimorphic hormone exposure and E is and end state of sufficient dimorphism

This leads to a higher overall standard for what indicates adequate masculinity. This then produces a lot of "failed" or under-masculinized males, for which it is easy for the FTM to blend in with.

It's much rarer for a woman to receive excess testosterone compared to how common it is for a man to lack testosterone.

We are used to seeing undermasculinized men, and FTM's are electing to enter this group. We are not used to seeing over masculinized women, which is what most MTF's end up being.

Panzram explained it already but I wanted to yap.

tldr the tldr

 

[karmacita901]

Simply growing a beard and not having tits is enough to enter the underdeveloped male category but it's much harder to pass as a failed female because so few of them exist as the criteria to be a failed female is harder to achieve.

Bro said it better than i ever could

once again, you gotta ask the question: viable for what? Increasing your SMV? If so, the answer is yes only for terminal cutecels under 5'8. and EVEN THEN they have to do 5-18 months of difficult vocal exercises to sound like a woman, and thats if they train optimally. Some people take 3 years to get good. (i actually feel so sad every time i see a cute one blow their cover by sounding like an absolute fucking cvck ).

Everyone else, even actual fem looking dudes like 2hollis, will have more success in dating as a man who simply wears fem clothes.

Now if you mean viable for feeling more actual warmth and acceptance from women, the answer's probably yes for anyone whose masculine features can be sufficiently covered up through E injections (and maybe a couple surgeries). Having a large frame isn't that much of a dealbreaker due to all the sarm goblin women out there. The biggest killers are overextended supraorbitals and large larynx, of which there will be no surgical pathway to fully take down. So if your ogee curve is bussin and your apple small enough to get cut, you might be set after about 2 years on the juice, but you gotta remember ts WILL end your bloodline.

I lost 2 of my best homies to the E bro, If you don't want anyone to feel what its like to grieve for someone who's not even dead, don't do this shit

 

[got.daim]

Bro said it better than i ever could

once again, you gotta ask the question: viable for what? Increasing your SMV? If so, the answer is yes only for terminal cutecels under 5'8. and EVEN THEN they have to do 5-18 months of difficult vocal exercises to sound like a woman, and thats if they train optimally. Some people take 3 years to get good. (i actually feel so sad every time i see a cute one blow their cover by sounding like an absolute fucking cvck ).

Everyone else, even actual fem looking dudes like 2hollis, will have more success in dating as a man who simply wears fem clothes.

Now if you mean viable for feeling more actual warmth and acceptance from women, the answer's probably yes for anyone whose masculine features can be sufficiently covered up through E injections. Having a large frame isn't that much of a dealbreaker due to all the sarm goblin women out there. The biggest killers are overextended supraorbitals and large larynx, of which there will be no surgical pathway to fully take down. So if your ogee curve is bussin and your apple small enough to get cut, you might be set after about 2 years on the juice, but you gotta remember ts WILL end your bloodline.

I lost 2 of my best homies to the E bro, If you don't want anyone to feel what its like to grieve for someone who's not even dead, don't do this shit

holy shit tldr?

 

[hypernormie]

tldr the tldr

Being that feminity is the absence of masculinity, trying to become a MTF involves removing things which are already developed. This is a much more difficult process than adding masculinity, which is what the FTM's are attempting to do.

Being that men are judged by their distance from the hegemonic ideal Chad, and most men fail to meet this ideal, the FTM can easily join the ranks of failed ideal males and thus, pass.

The MTF on the other hand has a much more difficult time removing masculinization to reach the ideal feminine, as most masculinaztion occurs in hard, difficult to modify bone structures.

This is why successful MTF's are usually failed males, or men who never developed any particularly masculine features in the first place, and why blocking puberty (if it wasn't so unethical) would be the best choice for successful MTF passing.

 

[got.daim]

Being that feminity is the absence of masculinity, trying to become a MTF involves removing things which are already developed. This is a much more difficult process than adding masculinity, which is what the FTM's are attempting to do.

Being that men are judged by their distance from the hegemonic ideal Chad, and most men fail to meet this ideal, the FTM can easily join the ranks of failed ideal males and thus, pass.

The MTF on the other hand has a much more difficult time removing masculinization to reach the ideal feminine, as most masculinaztion occurs in hard, difficult to modify bone structures.

This is why successful MTF's are usually failed males, or men who never developed any particularly masculine features in the first place, and why blocking puberty (if it wasn't so unethical) would be the best choice for successful MTF passing.

I read the other ones lol I just wanted to learn more. Your very right, its harder for mtfs to pass on average than ftms. Though I've seen some ftms (99% of them are emo guys now). If you want to learn more about trans stuff its very interesting. HSTS, AGP, AAP. All very interesting.

 

[hypernormie]

I read the other ones lol I just wanted to learn more. Your very right, its harder for mtfs to pass on average than ftms. Though I've seen some ftms (99% of them are emo guys now). If you want to learn more about trans stuff its very interesting. HSTS, AGP, AAP. All very interesting.

I only have any thought about FTM's because I have a strong interest in prenatal Testosterone but I've been more interested in trans people in general lately and plan to do a deep dive sometime soon.

 

[got.daim]

I only have any thought about FTM's because I have a strong interest in prenatal Testosterone but I've been more interested in trans people in general lately and plan to do a deep dive sometime soon.

its an interesting rabbit whole to get into