Islam is a cult!

[Mosh12]

They don't change their genetics and ancestry because they don't follow the Talmud. They continue to be Jews ethnically but not religiously. what is the doubt??

Then it’s not just a religion and can exist without belief

 

[Mosh12]

He did exist, there's no debate about that—it is a common consensuses among historians. Religious or not!

Sources please ?

 

[VV62]

He did exist, there's no debate about that—it is a common consensuses among historians. Religious or not!

The only source that jesus existed is that a rabbi named jesus lived around that time

 

[MarioTheGoat]

And Mary ?

Older than 13? Don't use that source, that is called stupid and: quote and quote "unreliable." by the likes of: James R. Edwards and N.T Wright.

 

[cobicado901]

Then it’s not just a religion and can exist without belief

Judaism is an ethnicity. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is a culture. Judiam is an ancestry.
You're just mixing terms, I don't know why.

Clearly in a conversation about Abrahamic religions, we will use the concept of Judaism as a religion. You're not making any sense now.

 

[Mosh12]

Older than 13? Don't use that source, that is called stupid and: quote and quote "unreliable." by the likes of: James R. Edwards and N.T Wright.

So you’re the final say on what’s accurate ?

 

[Mosh12]

Judaism is an ethnicity. Judaism is a religion. Judaism is a culture. Judiam is an ancestry.
You're just mixing terms, I don't know why.

Clearly in a conversation about Abrahamic religions, we will use the concept of Judaism as a religion. You're not making any sense now.

Judaism is everything wrapped into one. Only Jews can define Judaism. Please don’t speak on their behalf even if you do have Sephardic blood.

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Sources please ?

Sure!
Did Jesus Exist The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth by Bart D. Ehrman
The Historical Jesus The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant by John Dominic Crossan
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman
The Myth of the God Man by Thomas L. Thompson
The Case for Jesus The Biblical and Historical Evidence for Christ by Brant Pitre
The Jesus Puzzle Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ? by Earl Doherty
The Historical Jesus: An Introduction to the Research by Van Der Veen and J. J. Van Der Horst
The Life of Jesus by Ernest Renan
The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave edited by Robert M. Price and Jeffrey Jay Lowder
The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide by Gerd Theissen and Annette Merz


All of them Atheist, they believe in Jesus existence.

So you’re the final say on what’s accurate ?

Most likely 16.


Sorry for taking long, takes time to write.

 

[cobicado901]

Judaism is everything wrapped into one. Only Jews can define Judaism. Please don’t speak on their behalf even if you do have Sephardic blood.

ok you are just being stupid on purpose now.

Returning to that point, Joseph's age doesn't matter at all, he's not the christian god, he's not the chosen one and he's not sinless. mohammed married a 9 year old girl in quran. Its permitted in Sharia Law, if you think this is the same, then idk

 

[Mosh12]

ok you are just being stupid on purpose now.

Returning to that point, Joseph's age doesn't matter at all, he's not the christian god, he's not the chosen one and he's not sinless. mohammed married a 9 year old girl in quran. Its permitted in Sharia Law, if you think this is the same, then idk

Mohammed isn’t divine either. He’s a human and the Quran makes that clear. He’s not to be worshipped only respected.

 

[VV62]

Sure!
Did Jesus Exist The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth by Bart D. Ehrman
The Historical Jesus The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant by John Dominic Crossan
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman
The Myth of the God Man by Thomas L. Thompson
The Case for Jesus The Biblical and Historical Evidence for Christ by Brant Pitre
The Jesus Puzzle Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ? by Earl Doherty
The Historical Jesus: An Introduction to the Research by Van Der Veen and J. J. Van Der Horst
The Life of Jesus by Ernest Renan
The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave edited by Robert M. Price and Jeffrey Jay Lowder
The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide by Gerd Theissen and Annette Merz


All of them Atheist, they believe in Jesus existence.



Most likely 16.


Sorry for taking long, takes time to write.

No credible evidence mentioned in these books

 

[Mosh12]

No credible evidence mentioned in these books

Indeed. He’s just coping

 

[faustianspirit]

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) (Piss be upon him) was an inbred shitskin addicted to masturbation!

 

[cobicado901]

Mohammed isn’t divine either. He’s a human and the Quran makes that clear. He’s not to be worshipped only respected.

It’s permitted in sharia law, it’s not an immoral thing to do. Mohammed is mentioned on the Ashahadda.

 

[faustianspirit]

No credible evidence mentioned in these books

The existence of Jesus as a historical figure is pretty much a fact backed by any historian that is not biased. His divinity on the other hand is up to you.

 

[Mosh12]

It’s permitted in sharia law, it’s not an immoral thing to do. Mohammed is mentioned on the Ashahadda.

I know but that’s more a cultural thing rather than a universalist message.

 

[VV62]

The existence of Jesus as a historical figure is pretty much a fact backed by any historian that is not biased. His divinity on the other hand is up to you.

What facts?

 

[cobicado901]

I know but that’s more a cultural thing rather than a universalist message.

It’s a universalist message at the point that the prophet in the book does so. And that countries with sharia law would not find it wrong.

 

[Aladin]

And they existed 2000 years ago in Judaea?

Where did I say IVF existed back then?

 

[faustianspirit]

What facts?

Ask any historian you fucking retard. There are multiple sources from his time from different religions mentioning him.
His life as explained in the New Testament might be made up by his apostles tho.

 

[VV62]

Ask any historian you fucking retard. There are multiple sources from his time from different religions mentioning him.
His life as explained in the New Testament might be made up by his apostles tho.

Most sources used to prove his existence were written decades after he died and historians aren't 100% sure he existed nigger

 

[faustianspirit]

Most sources used to prove his existence were written decades after he died and historians aren't 100% sure he existed nigger

Of course they aren't a 100% sure, nothing from that time is 100% sure.

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Indeed. He’s just coping

No credible evidence mentioned in these books

I hope you're not serious. Here's a quote, that I took from my kindle:
"We have multiple, independent, early sources that refer to Jesus, both Christian and non-Christian. These include the letters of Paul, which were written within twenty to thirty years of Jesus’ death, as well as the Gospels, which, though written later, also preserve information from earlier traditions. In addition, we have the testimony of non-Christian sources such as the Roman historian Tacitus and the Jewish historian Josephus, both of whom refer to Jesus and confirm that he was crucified under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. These sources provide evidence that Jesus was a real historical figure."
— Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (2012), p. 92


Now, if you want to continue this conversation, be quiet, listen, and read. What you did here only serves to embarrass yourself. It shows that you're unable to consider the sources properly. Not to mention, these are historians, which means they're smarter than all of us. So now, both of you, don’t go quiet—tell me why I should listen to you over them?

 

[Mosh12]

Of course they aren't a 100% sure, nothing from that time is 100% sure.

So in other words it’s cope to believe in it .

 

[VV62]

Of course they aren't a 100% sure, nothing from that time is 100% sure.

Alot of figures from that time and before that time have credible evidence that prove that they existed

 

[faustianspirit]

So in other words it’s cope to believe in it .

aren't u a muslim? Isa is also a prophet of your inbred religion

 

[Mosh12]

I hope you're not serious. Here's a quote, that I took from my kindle:
"We have multiple, independent, early sources that refer to Jesus, both Christian and non-Christian. These include the letters of Paul, which were written within twenty to thirty years of Jesus’ death, as well as the Gospels, which, though written later, also preserve information from earlier traditions. In addition, we have the testimony of non-Christian sources such as the Roman historian Tacitus and the Jewish historian Josephus, both of whom refer to Jesus and confirm that he was crucified under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. These sources provide evidence that Jesus was a real historical figure."
— Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (2012), p. 92


Now, if you want to continue this conversation, be quiet, listen, and read. What you did here only serves to embarrass yourself. It shows that you're unable to consider the sources properly. Not to mention, these are historians, which means they're smarter than all of us. So now, both of you, don’t go quiet—tell me why I should listen to you over them?

Argument from authority fallacy. Do better !

 

[Mosh12]

I am neither Christian or Muslim. I have no vested interest.

aren't u a muslim? Isa is also a prophet of your inbred religion

 

[faustianspirit]

Alot of figures from that time and before that time have credible evidence that prove that they existed

Sure, and Jesus is one of them.

 

[faustianspirit]

I am neither Christian or Muslim. I have no vested interest.

Jesus was a white man

 

[Mosh12]

Jesus was a white man

He looked like Woody Allen or Jonah Hill

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Most sources used to prove his existence were written decades after he died and historians aren't 100% sure he existed nigger

So in other words it’s cope to believe in it .

Alot of figures from that time and before that time have credible evidence that prove that they existed

Argument from silence.

Mosh, you haven't been able to disprove me. Try again.

 

[VV62]

I hope you're not serious. Here's a quote, that I took from my kindle:
"We have multiple, independent, early sources that refer to Jesus, both Christian and non-Christian. These include the letters of Paul, which were written within twenty to thirty years of Jesus’ death, as well as the Gospels, which, though written later, also preserve information from earlier traditions. In addition, we have the testimony of non-Christian sources such as the Roman historian Tacitus and the Jewish historian Josephus, both of whom refer to Jesus and confirm that he was crucified under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. These sources provide evidence that Jesus was a real historical figure."
— Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (2012), p. 92


Now, if you want to continue this conversation, be quiet, listen, and read. What you did here only serves to embarrass yourself. It shows that you're unable to consider the sources properly. Not to mention, these are historians, which means they're smarter than all of us. So now, both of you, don’t go quiet—tell me why I should listen to you over them?

Letters of paul were written 50 to 70 years after jesus died and tacitus sources came from interacting with christians he met during his travel 70 years after jesus jfl if you call that credible evidence

 

[faustianspirit]

He looked like Woody Allen or Jonah Hill

just read the whole thread turns out you are a jew or even worse, a fucking pajeet.

 

[Mosh12]

just read the whole thread turns out you are a jew or even worse, a fucking pajeet.

 

[VV62]

Letters of paul were written 50 to 70 years after jesus died and tacitus sources came from interacting with christians he met during his travel 70 years after jesus jfl if you call that credible evidence

Also tacticus doesn't even mention jesus

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Argument from authority fallacy. Do better !

Sure! I'll give you that.


You have commited about

So in other words it’s cope to believe in it .

Ad hominem.

Indeed. He’s just coping

Again

I’m not Muslim but Christianity is even more insane. A god impregnates woman to save humanity from sins that he knows already and can forgive but chooses to have a blood sacrifice…

Strawman

Ironic since you can’t even spell correctly.

Again Ad hominem

Letters of paul were written 50 to 70 years after jesus died and tacitus sources came from interacting with christians he met during his travel 70 years after jesus jfl if you call that credible evidence

Chronological Snobbery
Appeal to Ignoranc
Overgeneralization (if you call that credible)
Try again

 

[VV62]

Sure! I'll give you that.


You have commited about

Ad hominem.


Again

Strawman


Again Ad hominem

Chronological Snobbery
Appeal to Ignoranc
Overgeneralization (if you call that credible)
Try again

Tacitus

Publius Cornelius Tacitus, also Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, generally just Tacitus,[note 1] (ca. 55–117 CE) was a Roman historian and senator. Tacitus gives a brief mention of a "Chrstus" in his Annals, which Christians have interpreted as authoritative proof that a divine Jesus existed. He was...

rationalwiki.org

Keep coping boyo

 

[Mosh12]

Tacitus

Publius Cornelius Tacitus, also Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, generally just Tacitus,[note 1] (ca. 55–117 CE) was a Roman historian and senator. Tacitus gives a brief mention of a "Chrstus" in his Annals, which Christians have interpreted as authoritative proof that a divine Jesus existed. He was...

rationalwiki.org

Keep coping boyo

 

[Thebuffdon]

To be quite frank he had to marry her because no one would believe that she had a baby that came from God.

I can’t even see OP argument lol I got that nigga on ignore

 

[Thebuffdon]

Sure! I'll give you that.


You have commited about

Ad hominem.


Again

Strawman


Again Ad hominem

Chronological Snobbery
Appeal to Ignoranc
Overgeneralization (if you call that credible)
Try again

Imagine wasting ur precious time arguing with that nut

I put him on ignore after 5 messages cuz I could tell he’s not a serious person

 

[MarioTheGoat]

Tacitus

Publius Cornelius Tacitus, also Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, generally just Tacitus,[note 1] (ca. 55–117 CE) was a Roman historian and senator. Tacitus gives a brief mention of a "Chrstus" in his Annals, which Christians have interpreted as authoritative proof that a divine Jesus existed. He was...

rationalwiki.org

Keep coping boyo

Richard Carrier - On the Historicity of Jesus (2014), "The Prospect of a Christian Interpolation in Tacitus, Annals 15.44" (2014)
Raphael Lataster - "Questioning the Plausibility of Jesus Ahistoricity Theories—A Brief Pseudo-Bayesian Metacritique of the Sources" (2015)
Arthur Drews - The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1909)
Bayesian Metacritique of the Sources" (2015)
Arthur Drews - The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1909)


Sorry for the long wait, I had to find quotes and books that debunk that claim.

 

[VV62]

Richard Carrier - On the Historicity of Jesus (2014), "The Prospect of a Christian Interpolation in Tacitus, Annals 15.44" (2014)
Raphael Lataster - "Questioning the Plausibility of Jesus Ahistoricity Theories—A Brief Pseudo-Bayesian Metacritique of the Sources" (2015)
Arthur Drews - The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1909)
Bayesian Metacritique of the Sources" (2015)
Arthur Drews - The Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus (1909)


Sorry for the long wait, I had to find quotes and books that debunk that claim.

Nigga im not reading 5 books show me the evidence

 

[2025cel]

Mirin the username and the avi tbh. @2025cel should we have this nigga as an addition to the esoteric curry gang? (I know this nigga has dalit avi but let's make an exception)

Absolutely. This nigga can ascend by esoteric hedonism.