Islam is NOT the enemy of the West

[AntiSocial-Fakecel]

Wrong

God fearing people aren't very common but they do exist. You're
just making a huge generalization here, not everyone is the devil.

You're right. Very few.

 

[Deleted member 656]

no true Muslim woman would ever even let the thought of cheating on her husband cross her mind.

Pointless statement tbh. Nor would any true Christian woman, or any good woman regardless of faith.

It's the morality you're after, and you don't need Islam for that.

And literally no one serves out of love for God or the greater good. They do it for "muh tradition", "muh control people", "muh excuse for war", "muh Sunday activity because i have nothing better to do".

Yeah maybe no

 

[Deleted member 1139]

Nor would any true Christian woman, or any good woman regardless of faith.

I agree with you partially, true Christian women can also be just as moral as Muslim women, however Christianity still isn't as strict as Sharia law (but that's a whole new arguement) however, when you mention that a woman can "be good" regardless of faith, I disagree with you, literally nothing comes close to making a woman feel dread like burning in the eternal fire of hell other than religion, this can only be done by indoctrinating these ideas from a young age.
Think about it logically, if you told your daughter when she was old enough that cheating on your husband is not something that is good versus telling her the same thing and then proceeding to tell her the consequences, such as you will burn in hell (or be stoned to death), in which of these situations is she likely to cheat less?
If there are no consequences to her actions she will do whatever she wants, especially in a society that promotes degeneracy like cuckolding.

 

[Deleted member 656]

I agree with you partially, true Christian women can also be just as moral as Muslim women, however Christianity still isn't as strict as Sharia law (but that's a whole new arguement) however, when you mention that a woman can "be good" regardless of faith, I disagree with you, literally nothing comes close to making a woman feel dread like burning in the eternal fire of hell other than religion, this can only be done by indoctrinating these ideas from a young age.
Think about it logically, if you told your daughter when she was old enough that cheating on your husband is not something that is good versus telling her the same thing and then proceeding to tell her the consequences, such as you will burn in hell (or be stoned to death), in which of these situations is she likely to cheat less?
If there are no consequences to her actions she will do whatever she wants, especially in a society that promotes degeneracy like cuckolding.

Nothing comes remotely close to religion (and Islam in particular) in enforcing female obedience. Can't argue with that.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

Based thread srs.
Very nice discussion unlike incels.is/lookism shitposters.

 

[AntiSocial-Fakecel]

Based thread srs.
Very nice discussion unlike incels.is/lookism shitposters.

That is why I don't use either. Plus, incels is doxx/Youtube material central.

 

[Lumbersexual]

It's the morality you're after, and you don't need Islam for that.

Except, throughout history, humans have proven themselves unable to have morals without a religious guiding principle. Islam, Christianity, paganism, it doesn't matter, the moment humans tried to demolish religion and impose "rational morality" the civilization collapsed.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

Except, throughout history, humans have proven themselves unable to have morals without a religious guiding principle. Islam, Christianity, paganism, it doesn't matter, the moment humans tried to demolish religion and impose "rational morality" the civilization collapsed.

The idea of "rational morality" and "Subjective morality" is just a way humans who don't want to adhere to any superior objective set of moral standards cope. We need a divine set of morals that can't be changed by definition from one culture to another.
srs.

 

[nattycel]

I like to read religious scriptures in my free time. I've read Vedas, Quran, Bibles (even the non canonical ones).

Much to learn and reflect upon

 

[AntiSocial-Fakecel]

Except, throughout history, humans have proven themselves unable to have morals without a religious guiding principle. Islam, Christianity, paganism, it doesn't matter, the moment humans tried to demolish religion and impose "rational morality" the civilization collapsed.

Yeah. Especially when they became 'civilized' and political and lessened importance of religion.

The idea of "rational morality" and "Subjective morality" is just a way humans who don't want to adhere to any superior objective set of moral standards cope. We need a divine set of morals that can't be changed by definition from one culture to another.
srs.

Yeah, I guess we wait for Armageddon and see which religion is the true one. Then, that faith's standards will be universal.

 

[Deleted member 656]

Except, throughout history, humans have proven themselves unable to have morals without a religious guiding principle. Islam, Christianity, paganism, it doesn't matter, the moment humans tried to demolish religion and impose "rational morality" the civilization collapsed.

And so you have the great problem. You go with religion or you try to make it work with agnosticism or atheism. And hasn't religious totalitarianism always gone so well...

So what's the alternative? There isn't one and nobody can find one. Closest we've come is Nietzsche, and the pursuit drove him mad.

The idea of "rational morality" and "Subjective morality" is just a way humans who don't want to adhere to any superior objective set of moral standards cope. We need a divine set of morals that can't be changed by definition from one culture to another.
srs.

True enough. Morality has to be objective or it doesn't exist.

Perhaps one of the most telling quotes of recent history;

"The German people? What can you do with a people whose men are no longer willing to fight when their wives are being raped? All the plans of National Socialism, all its dreams and goals, were too great and too noble for this people. The German people are just too cowardly to realize these goals. In the east, they are running away. In the west, they set up hindrances for their own soldiers and welcome the enemy with white flags. The German people deserve the destiny that now awaits them."

Beauty from Goebbels.

The overwhelming majority of people are motivated by perceived self-interest. You can't change that. People will turn against the ideology when it's not in their self-interest to follow it. Omniscient and omnipotent beings make sure it's almost always in your self-interest to follow.

The proper answer is to collectively transcend self-interest, however the fuck you do that.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

however the fuck you do that.

By religion.

 

[Lumbersexual]

The idea of "rational morality" and "Subjective morality" is just a way humans who don't want to adhere to any superior objective set of moral standards cope. We need a divine set of morals that can't be changed by definition from one culture to another.
srs.

Precisely. And that is also exactly why we need religion. Religion provides the Divine morality, and is very consistent across religions. Religion is an evolutionary adaptation of culture because religion allows culture to survive. The moment religion is abandoned, culture turns to hedonistic chaos and it breaks down. Nietzsche knew this well when he proclaimed "God is dead and we killed him." We may not need God as in an omiscient being, but we need religion to set us straight.

 

[AntiSocial-Fakecel]

Angel level IQ thread we got going on here. No sarcasm.

 

[Deleted member 656]

By religion.

Doesn't transcend perceived self-interest, only aligns it with the interest of the collective. The most noble scenario is that in which you enact the interest of the collective without needing the personal incentive.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

Doesn't transcend perceived self-interest, only aligns it with the interest of the collective. The most noble scenario is that in which you enact the interest of the collective without needing the personal incentive.

To be h, I can't think of a single realistic scenario of humans doing that alone. srs. Tried to do my best.

 

[Deleted member 656]

To be h, I can't think of a single realistic scenario of humans doing that alone. srs. Tried to do my best.

The biggest problem of our time, and nobody knows what to do. Yet we've got the cognitive elite busy becoming lawyers and representing major corporations in legal dick-swinging battles like a high status @Arceus300 and @StudyHacks war without the Walkers' Prawn Cocktail IQ.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

The biggest problem of our time, and nobody knows what to do. Yet we've got the cognitive elite busy becoming laywers and representing major corporations in legal dick-swinging battles like a high status @Arceus300 and @StudyHacks war without the Walkers' Prawn Cocktail IQ.

LMFAOOOOO

 

[Lumbersexual]

Doesn't transcend perceived self-interest, only aligns it with the interest of the collective. The most noble scenario is that in which you enact the interest of the collective without needing the personal incentive.

Self interest is at the interest of the collective. Acting as if you are acting only for others and not yourself degenerates in to identity politics almost immediately because it creates us vs them mentality. If you act in your self interest, you will create a better situation for everyone for the very simple reason that you have to not act just for your self interest now, but future you's self interest as well, and that inevitably leads to cooperation, bargaining, and contribution to community. Immediate gratification is not the same as self interest. You cannot have self interest without bargaining with the future.

 

[Deleted member 656]

Self interest is at the interest of the collective. Acting as if you are acting only for others and not yourself degenerates in to identity politics almost immediately because it creates us vs them mentality. If you act in your self interest, you will create a better situation for everyone for the very simple reason that you have to not act just for your self interest now, but future you's self interest as well, and that inevitably leads to cooperation, bargaining, and contribution to community. Immediate gratification is not the same as self interest. You cannot have self interest without bargaining with the future.

I don't mean collective interest as in the interest of the group, race or nation. I mean the collective benefit as in 'that which when enacted is to the net benefit of all things'. That's in universal terms, not just local, not on nationality, not on race, not on species. It's equally true for the environment, and all environments in all of space and time.

Self-interest is completely aligned with collective interest in my own view but it's a counter-intuitive argument to make, especially when you pick out hypotheticals, and contradicts the common understanding, which is the context I was using the term in previously. You're right though, self-interest is not at all immediate gratification. It's always the opposite.

I'm basically talking about absolute deontology on secular grounds, in a Kantian way.

'Act only on that maxim whereby thou canst at the same time will that it should become a universal law'

 

[Extra Chromosome]

@Ritalincel We need your high IQ input srs.

 

[Lumbersexual]

I don't mean collective interest as in the interest of the group, race or nation. I mean the collective benefit as in 'that which when enacted is to the net benefit of all things'. That's in universal terms, not just local, not on nationality, not on race, not on species. It's equally true for the environment, and all environments in all of space and time.

Self-interest is completely aligned with collective interest in my own view but it's a counter-intuitive argument to make, especially when you pick out hypotheticals, and contradicts the common understanding, which is the context I was using the term in previously. You're right though, self-interest is not at all immediate gratification. It's always the opposite.

I'm basically talking about absolute deontology on secular grounds, in a Kantian way.

'Act only on that maxim whereby thou canst at the same time will that it should become a universal law'

Fair. Well put.

 

[Extra Chromosome]

I'm basically talking about absolute deontology on secular grounds, in a Kantian way.

I would love to see this happening. Time will tell.
srs.

 

[Krezo]

Even the Nazis admired Islam. Hitler spoke very fondly of it. He hated Christcucktianity. JFL at alt-right Chr*stians who hate Islam

 

[GenericChad1444]

@Extra Chromosome @Lumbersexual @Alarico8 Great discussion to read boyos fp

 

[Autist]

Reminds me of this:

Words can not express how much I hate middle east

Doesnt matter which country. jordan, lebanon, iraq, syria, turkey, egypt etc..doesnt matter all SHITHOLES. A lotta kids who praise Islam and middle east here needs a reality check. You wouldn't last a second in ME you fucking idiots. You think Islam is all about putting women in their place ...

incels.is

 

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Based. Obviously Hitler went too far but just imagine how the world would’ve turned out

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Golgo13]

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Muslim womem are classy in their personality too, you can tell they didnt rely on slutting around to get by their entire life