islam is the youtube shorts of religion

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

AL BAGARA 97

+ ALL THE MUFASIREEN SAID THAT IT MEANS JIBREL NO WAY YOU FILTHY CHRISTCUCK KNOWS SOMETHING IN ARABIC THEY DON'T KNOW + THE MUFASIREEN TAKE KNOWLEDGE FROM THE SAHABA THEY DON'T CREATE ANYTHING.

Once again you have not shown me anywhere that this “Jibreeel” is the Holy Spirit. Infact your stupid gay book distinguishes between angles and the Holy Spirit as well in many verses

Sura 70:4 sura sura 2:161 etc and many more Akhmed

 

[Basedman420]

Anyways lemme break it down for you simply. The divine subject (WHO YOU ARE, the Son) has the divine nature naturally (what you are) which is what is shared equally with the father and spirit which makes them one BEING one THING one WHAT, and the divine subject with the divine nature decided to create an human nature and wore it like one wears a cloak as posited by st Cyril and thus took on all that means to be a human in the human nature. However the agent the AGENT the one doing the acts thinking etc is the DIVINE SUBJECT so he is still all powerful as he never stopped being god at any point he just created and added human nature to himself.

That which is pre-eternal in essence does not undergo accidents or changes

 

[Basedman420]

Once again you have not shown me anywhere that this “Jibreeel” is the Holy Spirit. Infact your stupid gay book distinguishes between angles and the Holy Spirit as well in many verses

Sura 70:4 sura sura 2:161 etc and many more Akhmed

search about
"عطف الخاص على العام" and you'll know
Arabic is not like your stupid language

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
Deuteronomy 6:4

Christians:
NoOoO he is one essence but three in person

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3

Jesus: The True God is the Father
Christians: You (Jesus) must be God

Christians: Christ iS kiNg
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.
Galatians 3:13

The word for that is echad which is a Plural Unitive one which is the same one that’s used to explain Adam and eves Union as ONE flesh

Hebrew has a true form strict one, and it isn’t used there

The fact that you thought this would word though shows your super low tier as this is a very common point that even low iq Protestants easily refute


Read on from John 17 stupid boy read the rest off the verse, bitch John 17 “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Jesus took on the curse for us and broke it and destroyed death… that’s the whole point of Gal 3:3 it’s that before then death is what humans were captive too but because Christ came and underwent death to conquer it now we are free from the curse of death which had power over us. And when I say death I mean eternal separation from God which is life I don’t mean mortality alone.


Wow your very shit at this

 

[Basedman420]

Once again you have not shown me anywhere that this “Jibreeel” is the Holy Spirit. Infact your stupid gay book distinguishes between angles and the Holy Spirit as well in many verses

Sura 70:4 sura sura 2:161 etc and many more Akhmed

Mentioning the specific after the general serves to highlight its virtue or importance as if it were not part of the general category by treating the difference in description as a difference in essence

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

search about
"عطف الخاص على العام" and you'll know
Arabic is not like your stupid language

Dumbass

Either refute me or stfu and sit down learn you’re dis you’re a dumbas bitch that was refuted I took on 3 off you fsggot Mohammedens and raped all off you on my own fucking sit down stupid Abdooooolz

That which is pre-eternal in essence does not undergo accidents or changes

Yes the divine person never underwent changes in his divine nature instead the divine person just created a human nature and added it to his person…. Nothing about that relates to the divine person changing ontologically or on of itself… learn philosophy you stupid cuck

Your gay god changes every time he does shit your god has willed eternally but for that will to take place as an act in space time it requires a change to take place for it to will temporally otherwise your god would be doing random shit eternally but we see that’s not the case. So if anybody’s god is changeable it’s yours

 

[JasGews69x]

The word for that is echad which is a Plural Unitive one which is the same one that’s used to explain Adam and eves Union as ONE flesh

Hebrew has a true form strict one, and it isn’t used there

The fact that you thought this would word though shows your super low tier as this is a very common point that even low iq Protestants easily refute

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

So the Father gave authority to the Son, that just means the Son isnt co-equal to the Father which means he isnt the God of Christianity

'By finishing the work you gave me to do' That means the Son finished his work before before being crucified which means he wasnt meant to be crucified since his work had finished.

Jesus took on the curse for us and broke it and destroyed death… that’s the whole point of Gal 3:3 it’s that before then death is what humans were captive too but because Christ came and underwent death to conquer it now we are free from the curse of death which had power over us. And when I say death I mean eternal separation from God which is life I don’t mean mortality alone.

So God became cursed? God cursed God to save Humans from God so God killed God So logical
Is it Good to be cursed in any sense?

God conquered death even though He Created it

 

[Basedman420]

added

added = contingent

Nothing about that relates to the divine person changing

no way what is change then define changing

Your god changes every time he does shit your god has willed eternally but for that will to take place as an act in space time it requires a change to take place for it to will temporally otherwise your god would be doing random shit eternally but we see that’s not the case. So if anybody’s god is changeable it’s yours

If you set up a bomb to explode after 10 seconds does that mean you changed when it exploded? no the change occurred in the temporal event only, not in the essence of the agent

وأخيراً: يا نصراني ان كنت تزعم أن ربك لا يتغير ثم يضيف شيئاً لنفسه
ولا يحتاج ثم يخرج من رحم امرأة
لا يتجزأ ثم يصبح طبيعتين و شخصاً واحد

فعلى عقلك السلام.
ربنا لا يحل في الاشياء ولا يتغير ولا يدخل رحماً ولا يصلب ولا يقتل (ليس كمثله شيء)

 

[Basedman420]

So God became cursed? God cursed God to save Humans from God so God killed God

god died to purifie us from the sins that he will punish us for

 

[yoshisand]

you're god literally got killed and you still saying that

AL BAGARA 97

+ ALL THE MUFASIREEN SAID THAT IT MEANS JIBREL NO WAY YOU FILTHY CHRISTCUCK KNOWS SOMETHING IN ARABIC THEY DON'T KNOW + THE MUFASIREEN TAKE KNOWLEDGE FROM THE SAHABA THEY DON'T CREATE A

because that make him weak? it's obv actually. here's something with your logic: what evidence do you have to say your god can't let me fuck his asshole?

If God/Allah was real he wouldn't have made it this hard to pick a fucking religion

 

[Basedman420]

If God/Allah was real he wouldn't have made it this hard to pick a fucking religion

it's not that hard

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

added = contingent


no way what is change then define changing


If you set up a bomb to explode after 10 seconds does that mean you changed when it exploded? no the change occurred in the temporal event only, not in the essence of the agent

وأخيراً: يا نصراني ان كنت تزعم أن ربك لا يتغير ثم يضيف شيئاً لنفسه
ولا يحتاج ثم يخرج من رحم امرأة
لا يتجزأ ثم يصبح طبيعتين و شخصاً واحد

فعلى عقلك السلام.
ربنا لا يحل في الاشياء ولا يتغير ولا يدخل رحماً ولا يصلب ولا يقتل (ليس كمثله شيء)

The divine person doesn’t undergo changes in his divinity.

Sure the human nature undergoes change that’s common sense it’s a human nature but that nature is created as I said like you wearing a Cloak. The cloak can undergo change and not you.

Big L

Big fail akhmoood.

Change implies ontological differentiation from
One state to the next. As j said the divine subject himself doesn’t undergo any changes he remains constant with his divine nature. The one thing that changed is the created human nature but nobody’s arguing about that as Jesus is a DIVINE SUBJECT not an HUMAN SUBJECT

Once again stupid Abdoool you don’t know my metaphysics sit down and fuck off.

Stop replying in Arabic I’m not translating anymore. If you cannot speak in English I’m putting you on my ignore for your a stupid cunt that needs to go back to blowing yourself up land and stay there

Bomb analogy is a catagory error. Your stupid gay god activates his sifat willy nilly which implies a change in them to affect reality and to do that requires your gay gods will to change to make those sifat activate which once again WHAT IS THE THING MAKING YOUR GODS SIFAT OF WILL CHANGE because if the Sifat of will is eternal and non changing then your Allah is always willing and then you cannot answer why there are events that take place with Allahs attributes that appear as separate events in spacetime
At different time periods and intervals. This implies they are being done and activated at different times. You can’t even say what the sifat even are because the names of the sifat are not analogous to the created order so you cannot say what they are as they are intelligible. Fucking brutal

god died to purifie us from the sins that he will punish us for

Nope not why god became man, he did it to save us from death (permanent separation from him and us and to remove the devils power over us) once again you and your boyfriend @JasGews69x fail to attack my position

 

[rrm_ss2]

arabs are 25 years old flexing their max town hall 14 to niggas in their college class. arab men love love love perms and think girls care about them having the newest and latest iphones

I don't get it

 

[True truecel]

yall are all fucking retarded

Christianity would not promote hate as a lot of you are doing in this thread and neither does Islam

endless bickering for what? to prove what point? You are all clowns and horrible spoiled examples for your religion, hypocritical retards

 

[JasGews69x]

your boyfriend @

@JasGews69x fail to attack my position

-
You didnt repsond to any of what I said
You just ignored it

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So the Father gave authority to the Son, that just means the Son isnt co-equal to the Father which means he isnt the God of Christianity

'By finishing the work you gave me to do' That means the Son finished his work before before being crucified which means he wasnt meant to be crucified since his work had finished.



So God became cursed? God cursed God to save Humans from God so God killed God So logical
Is it Good to be cursed in any sense?

God conquered death even though He Created it

No all that means is the Son is lower in rank than the Father but that’s a ranking of position and role not in ontology the same way a prince is lower than a king but both are human and in power. What a stupid cringe fucking argument truly proving why Islams for retards

So yes the father is god the son is also God because they all fall under the genus (catagory) of “God” even a 5 yr old gets this.

The father does all through his son the image of the father through whom all things are made. The father does everyone through the son in the spirit this is called economia.

Colossians 1 5 The Son is the image of the invisible God. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstbornfrom among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood,shed on the cross.

So Bible says god does everything through the son for the son is his intellect his WORD. The rational person through which the fathers structures and plans are laid out and done

God never became cursed he took upon the curse and crushed it because the “curse” is a typology of the fall of Adam and Eve and thus the curse refers to the looming power death and sin have over humanity, Christ took our faulty human nature and purified it and in so doing universally cured and healed it from eternal separation which is why we will all be resurrected on judgement day good bad great and small.

When we say death it’s deeper than literal end of life, it’s about the removal of the human nature from gods grace and humans being permanently in the devils clutches of Hell and separation from God forever. God remedially does things according to his majesty a wakes you allahu ackbars love to say and so his goal was to restore and purify the human nature form this issue


The end. You jsut keep failing don’t you abdoool must suck to be a allahu ackbar follower of a pedophile

 

[Basedman420]

The cloak can undergo change and not you.

the cloak has a fucking will? "Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27
it's not a cloak anymore just accept it

One state to the next. As j said the divine subject himself doesn’t undergo any changes he remains constant with his divine nature. The one thing that changed is the created human nature but nobody’s arguing about that as Jesus is a DIVINE SUBJECT not an HUMAN SUBJECT

How can the "Subject" who sends be different from the "Subject" who is sent? How can the "Subject" of begetting be different from the "Subject" who is begotten? The distinction in active subjects is, logically, precisely multiplicity.

Bomb analogy is a catagory error. Your stupid gay god activates his sifat willy nilly which implies a change in them to affect reality and to do that requires your gay gods will to change to make those sifat activate which once again WHAT IS THE THING MAKING YOUR GODS SIFAT OF WILL CHANGE because if the Sifat of will is eternal and non changing then your Allah is always willing and then you cannot answer why there are events that take place with Allahs attributes that appear as separate events in spacetime
At different time periods and intervals. This implies they are being done and activated at different times. You can’t even say what the sifat even are because the names of the sifat are not analogous to the created order so you cannot say what they are as they are intelligible. Fucking brutal

God eternally willed everything that happens, but His will pertains to things at specific times, based on His eternal wisdom. That doesn’t mean His will is changing it means the effects of His will appear in time, while His will remains unchanging. God’s attributes will, power, knowledge, wisdom are eternal and unchanging. What changes is creation, not the Creator. Also, saying God’s attributes are “unintelligible” is false. We understand their meanings without knowing how they are. We know what “will” and “knowledge” mean; we just don’t compare them to human will and knowledge.

 

[Shahnameh]

 

[JasGews69x]

No all that means is the Son is lower in rank than the Father but that’s a ranking of position and role not in ontology the same way a prince is lower than a king but both are human and in power. What a stupid cringe fucking argument truly proving why Islams for retards

The Prince is still under the Kings rule though which means he is lower than Him and all things still come back to the king.
Jesus cant do anything without the 'Kings' permission which means he is subservient to the Father.

-But of that day and hour, knoweth no man, no, not the angels of Heaven, but My Father only. Matthew 24:36
B-B-but that means its not upto him to declare it

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
John 5:30

God sent God and cant do anything without his own permission

Its not up to God to delcare it,its up to another God to declare it

So yes the father is god the son is also God because they all fall under the genus (catagory) of “God” even a 5 yr old gets this.

Which means they are multiple Gods. They are separate, have varying levels of power,knowledge etc which means they are not equal in any sense apart from inside of your head.

So Bible says god does everything through the son for the son is his intellect his WORD. The rational person through which the fathers structures and plans are laid out and done

How many words is the Son? All of them of just or just apart of them.
So the words of God died or Gods intelligence died?

God never became cursed he took upon the curse and crushed it because the “curse” is a typology of the fall of Adam and Eve and thus the curse refers to the looming power death and sin have over humanity, Christ took our faulty human nature and purified it and in so doing universally cured and healed it from eternal separation which is why we will all be resurrected on judgement day good bad great and small.

So a cursed was placed upon God when he took it?
So if he purified, that means you can't sin?
Do you sin? If you do,that means you weren't purified or it means that the 'purification' doesnt exist

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. John 3:9

The end. You jsut keep failing don’t you abdoool must suck to be a allahu ackbar follower of a pedophile

Age cuck

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The Prince is still under the Kings rule though which means he is lower than Him and all things still come back to the king.
Jesus cant do anything without the 'Kings' permission which means he is subservient to the Father.

-But of that day and hour, knoweth no man, no, not the angels of Heaven, but My Father only. Matthew 24:36
B-B-but that means its not upto him to declare it

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
John 5:30

God sent God and cant do anything without his own permission

Its not up to God to delcare it,its up to another God to declare it


Which means they are multiple Gods. They are separate, have varying levels of power,knowledge etc which means they are not equal in any sense apart from inside of your head.

How many words is the Son? All of them of just or just apart of them.
So the words of God died or Gods intelligence died?


So a cursed was placed upon God when he took it?
So if he purified, that means you can't sin?
Do you sin? If you do,that means you weren't purified or it means that the 'purification' doesnt exist

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. John 3:9


Age cuck

Once again your cherry picking verses in isolation because of you read the full passage it shows Jesus is God John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Dumb Mohammeden can a prophet claim to do whatever God can do. Can a human claim and say THAT WHATEVER GOD DOES THEY CAN DO

Dude clearly you don’t understand monarchical Trinitarianism… if you think this is an argument yes the prince is under the kings rule we know that as I said the son and spirit submit their will to the Father for they have the same will and everything begins with the person of the father for he’s the source and fount of the divine nature and the one who eternally generates the persons for the Word and Breath (Spirit) off God find their origin in the Father

The argument I’m making is that the son and spirit are not ONTOLOGICALLY different and that all have the same shared equally divine nature, will, act, power and do nothing alone for they are “ECHAD” (One) SO THE SON ISNT A “Lesser god” ontologically in being but is lesser in ranking/Role. Much like a King and a Prince.

The son does nothing on his own for he only does all which the father has shown him for him and the father are one and thefore cannot do anything without each other for the intellect relies on the source and the source in the intellect




Not knowing the hour IS PURE rhetoric but here’s what Basil in letter 236 says about it



Key ideas from Basil:

1. Jesus does know the hour—as God.
   • In His divine nature, Jesus shares all knowledge with the Father. There is no ignorance in the divinity of Christ.
2. 
   
3. He says He “does not know” for our sake.
   • St. Basil suggests that Jesus spoke this way to humble us, to stop people from asking or obsessing over the timing of the end.
   • He calls this a way of teaching, not a literal confession of ignorance.
4. 
   
5. Sometimes Jesus speaks in human terms.
   • Jesus often speaks in a way that fits His role as the incarnate Messiah, not revealing all the divine mystery at once.
   • Basil says this is similar to how Jesus “grew in wisdom” in Luke 2:52—not because He lacked wisdom, but because His humanity was revealed in stages.

Basil’s Analogy (paraphrased):

It’s like when a teacher says to a student, “I don’t know the answer”—not because they’re ignorant, but to push the student to think more deeply. Similarly, Christ says He doesn’t know, not because He is truly ignorant, but to hide the knowledge for a good purpose.

And this is in like with acts 1:8 where he said it’s not for YOU to know the time allotted by the father






The curse is that anybody on the tree shall “die” because it’s a TYPOLOGY of the curse that humans inherited from the consequences of the great fall so we all HUMANS were cursed and Jesus took on that curse the curse being our human nature and humanity to destroy the power death had over it that’s why the cross went from being an CURSED THING to something THAT BRINGS LIFE which is echoed by Moses in the desert when he used the Snake stature to heal the Israelites a statue originally used to kill the Israelites for upsetting god, God used it to heal them

THIS IS WHY WE REVERE AND VENERATE THE HOLY CROSS FOR GOD HAS SANCTIFIED IT AS A SYMBOL OF HIM Destoying DEATH FOR US

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE MAKHMOOD

Everything else From this point is pure rambling and ridiculous and not worth answering.

 

[emeraldglass]

I’m just a rude cunt don’t use me as an rep for the avg Christian debater I’m hot blooded by default and easily impassioned judge me on me not my group for I do not represent how they do discord

Once again you have yet to explain how it is possible for him to communicate with you without him condescending to the created realm.

How do you even know your god plz explain because your metaphysics makes it impossible to know Allah so please explain how you can root creation to Allah in an unbroken chain. Essentially there is no stable connection between the effect and the cause, meaning we can never truly "know" Allah through creation. Thus theological knowledge is made incoherent because it holds that we can know Allah while also saying that nothing in creation is like Him-not even in an analogous way.

It does signify a change in him because his sifat of willing is what the other sifats such as creation and mercy are contingent upon, I’m asking what makes Allahs will will and what makes Allahs will change and what is the thing that does this because as I said If Allah's acts are eternal, why do their effects occur at different times? - If Allah willed something from eternity, it should be instantiated from eternity unless there is some additional change or factor that determines when it happens. But if Allah's will is unchanging, then why do different events happen at different times? What makes one event occur now and another later? This suggests either that something outside of Allah determines when things happen (which would violate His sovereignty) or that Allah undergoes some kind of change (which Ash'arism denies).

You’re not the first Christian to resort to ad hominems. Of course, I’m not saying all Christians are like that. But it’s ironic how you’re quick to defend Christians from being generalized, while you have no problem lumping all Muslims together. Bit of a double standard, don’t you think?

There’s a clear distinction between God’s eternal will and how things play out in the world.


God’s will isn’t like ours, it doesn’t change or evolve. It’s a single, eternal decision. What looks like change to us is just how that unchanging will unfolds within time. So when God reveals something like the Quran, He’s using language we can understand, not because He’s like us, but because he’s meeting us where we are. It’s a way for us to connect to him, not a sign that he shares our nature.


Also, just because we see cause and effect in the world doesn’t mean God’s will works the same way. Time and sequence are part of creation, not part of God. His will stays constant. It’s just that the results of his will show up in time, in a way we can process.


You might think you found a contradiction, but there really isn’t when you understand the full picture.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You’re not the first Christian to resort to ad hominems. Of course, I’m not saying all Christians are like that. But it’s ironic how you’re quick to defend Christians from being generalized, while you have no problem lumping all Muslims together. Bit of a double standard, don’t you think?

There’s a clear distinction between God’s eternal will and how things play out in the world.


God’s will isn’t like ours, it doesn’t change or evolve. It’s a single, eternal decision. What looks like change to us is just how that unchanging will unfolds within time. So when God reveals something like the Quran, He’s using language we can understand, not because He’s like us, but because he’s meeting us where we are. It’s a way for us to connect to him, not a sign that he shares our nature.


Also, just because we see cause and effect in the world doesn’t mean God’s will works the same way. Time and sequence are part of creation, not part of God. His will stays constant. It’s just that the results of his will show up in time, in a way we can process.


You might think you found a contradiction, but there really isn’t when you understand the full picture.

I asked you a simple question


Justify and tell me how you know your fucking god. Idc about your god being outside of space time I know you belive that stop reinstating your position I’m asking you to tell me how you can know anything about your god. I’m asking you to provide evidence that Allahs will and Allahs Sifat don’t change because for his Sifat to go from a state of activation and inactivity implies a change, for his will to be responsible for this change implies a change and then I asked you what is causing Allahs will to will.

I get the meeting is where we are but you still failed to explain how you can know a being that has no way of making himself known to creation because to do so is to contradict Islamic Tanzih and all Aqeedah relating to how Allah interacts with the world (which cannot happen as Allah is completely divorced from the created order therefore he has to have a similitude to relate to it



SO KINDLY PLZ STOP STATING WHAT YOUR BELIVE AND MAKE SENSE OFF YOUR INCOHERENT GOD WHICH CONTRADICTS ISLAMIC TANZIH, TAWHID, DS AND EVEN YOUR QURAN.

Learn metaphysics first before coming to challenge me

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@sigmamogger read the whole thread and sit down and cry as I smacked every Muslim that debated me. Why don’t you come try so I can rape you as well

 

[sigmamogger]

@sigmamogger read the whole thread and sit down and cry as I smacked every Muslim that debated me. Why don’t you come try so I can rape you as well

I dont wanna

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I dont wanna

Yeah you don’t wanna cos I raped all your bois your religion is my bitch

 

[sigmamogger]

Yeah you don’t wanna cos I raped all your bois your religion is my bitch

I'll see you on the other side
That'll determine whos right and who's wrong it's only a matter of time

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

I'll see you on the other side
That'll determine whos right and who's wrong it's only a matter of time

Nigga got into an argument ?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I'll see you on the other side
That'll determine whos right and who's wrong it's only a matter of time

Bro you’re the one that should be scared lmfao


Your religion fails its own gay criteria my one is correct you’ll die and you’ll go to hell lol

 

[sigmamogger]

Nigga got into an argument ?

Not an argument im not saying anything against him nor am I accepting his takes, just said only time will tell

 

[emeraldglass]

I asked you a simple question


Justify and tell me how you know your fucking god. Idc about your god being outside of space time I know you belive that stop reinstating your position I’m asking you to tell me how you can know anything about your god. I’m asking you to provide evidence that Allahs will and Allahs Sifat don’t change because for his Sifat to go from a state of activation and inactivity implies a change, for his will to be responsible for this change implies a change and then I asked you what is causing Allahs will to will.

I get the meeting is where we are but you still failed to explain how you can know a being that has no way of making himself known to creation because to do so is to contradict Islamic Tanzih and all Aqeedah relating to how Allah interacts with the world (which cannot happen as Allah is completely divorced from the created order therefore he has to have a similitude to relate to it



SO KINDLY PLZ STOP STATING WHAT YOUR BELIVE AND MAKE SENSE OFF YOUR INCOHERENT GOD WHICH CONTRADICTS ISLAMIC TANZIH, TAWHID, DS AND EVEN YOUR QURAN.

Learn metaphysics first before coming to challenge me

Seriously, you’re a stupid motherfucker who didn’t learn respect at home. You keep saying you don’t care about whether God is beyond time, but you’ve been the one obsessing over time related questions this entire conversation.



The question of how we can truly know Allah, even though He’s beyond our understanding, isn’t something answered by just looking at the world around us. Instead, we turn to revelation and reason. The Quran, especially Surah Al-Ikhlas, gives us a clear idea: Allah is one, eternal, and completely unlike anything else. These qualities show that He doesn’t change, and that He’s perfect. When Allah describes Himself in human language, it’s not because He’s like us, it’s because he’s making it easier for us to understand. It’s a mercy, not a limitation.


It means Allah’s attributes aren’t separate from him, they’re part of His essence. So, if we say his will changes, we’re implying He’s not perfect, which doesn’t make sense. True perfection doesn’t change. So the fact that things happen at different times in the world doesn’t mean Allah is changing, it just means His eternal will is playing out in time.

The Quran makes it clear that Allah is completely above and unaffected by creation. And if you think about it logically, a changing will would mean Allah could be influenced or is lacking something, neither of which fits with the idea of a perfect, sovereign God. So the only consistent conclusion is that His will is fixed and eternal. What changes is the created world, not him.


What is so hard to understand about this, especially from a guy like you who claims god came to earth to shit and drink and die. But it is harder for you to understand that god is not something we can grasp than to explain how god died.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Seriously, you’re a stupid motherfucker who didn’t learn respect at home. You keep saying you don’t care about whether God is beyond time, but you’ve been the one obsessing over time related questions this entire conversation.



The question of how we can truly know Allah, even though He’s beyond our understanding, isn’t something answered by just looking at the world around us. Instead, we turn to revelation and reason. The Quran, especially Surah Al-Ikhlas, gives us a clear idea: Allah is one, eternal, and completely unlike anything else. These qualities show that He doesn’t change, and that He’s perfect. When Allah describes Himself in human language, it’s not because He’s like us, it’s because he’s making it easier for us to understand. It’s a mercy, not a limitation.


It means Allah’s attributes aren’t separate from him, they’re part of His essence. So, if we say his will changes, we’re implying He’s not perfect, which doesn’t make sense. True perfection doesn’t change. So the fact that things happen at different times in the world doesn’t mean Allah is changing, it just means His eternal will is playing out in time.

The Quran makes it clear that Allah is completely above and unaffected by creation. And if you think about it logically, a changing will would mean Allah could be influenced or is lacking something, neither of which fits with the idea of a perfect, sovereign God. So the only consistent conclusion is that His will is fixed and eternal. What changes is the created world, not him.


What is so hard to understand about this, especially from a guy like you who claims god came to earth to shit and drink and die. But it is harder for you to understand that god is not something we can grasp than to explain how god died.

Calls me stupid

Can’t answer a simple question on how he knows Allah



I get that you belive you can go to revelation but I’m asking you as an empiricist how can you discern what Allah is saying as he clearly has no simlitude and thefore even analogies fail at representing him in any meaningful wah so you literally cannot know him.

I’m also then asking you how can you link anything in the created order to an being that is so removed from the causal chain or creation that there’s no linkage as you have weighted the diffidence between the two such that it is impossible to relate infer or make analogies of Allah in any way.

I don’t have this issue was I can link creation back to God thanks to St Maximus the confessor who gave the divine rays stating that the 4 steps are creation which finds its fulfilment in the Principles which finds fulfilment in the Logoi (mind of God) which finds its fulfilment in the Logos (the word) through which God creates

Notice how there’s a link how creation goes back to god how god interacts from the get go?


Now your stupid religion lacks this and even your gods actions are such that they collapse the act and effect such that an act doesn’t take place but an affect magically happens according to Ash’aris and Maturidis.

If Allah isn’t acting then the effect cannot be caused by him and his act DUH

It’s metaphysically incoherent to condense the act and effect into one as that implies the act (God) is his effect (creation) which is an oxymoron.

So this leads to epistemic Agnosticism as you cannot reasonably state how and why everything comes from Allah And why we even need Allah considering nothing can be linked back to him so there’s no reason to even believe in him clearly.

Also if alllahs will is permanent as I said what is causing the will to “will” what is it that makes the will effect different sifat at different times for those sifat to activate and deactivate at different times be it temporal or non temporal? You have yet to explain this part. The fact that his will does different things and affects different sifats implies an change in said sifats and an change in the will and if there is no change then your gods an Automaton running on a script removing divine sovereignty

Either way you look at it your COOKED


And finally like your boyfriend @sigmamogger @JasGews69x and @Basedman420 you end up defaulting to “ERR I DUNNO ALLAHU SALEM BILLAH KHAIF “

 

[Htnn]

islam is the most logical religion.

Water

 

[JasGews69x]

Once again your cherry picking verses in isolation because of you read the full passage it shows Jesus is God John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

'the son cant do anything by himself'

The argument I’m making is that the son and spirit are not ONTOLOGICALLY different and that all have the same shared equally divine nature, will, act, power and do nothing alone for they are “ECHAD” (One) SO THE SON ISNT A “Lesser god” ontologically in being but is lesser in ranking/Role. Much like a King and a Prince.

They dont have the same will if they do its a contradiction

“Not every one that saith unto Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father who is in Heaven. Matthew 7:21

Doing the will of the Father, doesnt mention the Son

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

They have a separate will

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Psalm 22:1
Jesus didnt want to die but the Father did - they have a separate will

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. - 1 Corinthians 14:33
Your god is not the author of confusion but it too 300+ years for people to realise he was god

Key ideas from Basil:

1. Jesus does know the hour—as God.
   • In His divine nature, Jesus shares all knowledge with the Father. There is no ignorance in the divinity of Christ.
2. 
   
3. He says He “does not know” for our sake.
   • St. Basil suggests that Jesus spoke this way to humble us, to stop people from asking or obsessing over the timing of the end.
   • He calls this a way of teaching, not a literal confession of ignorance.
4. 
   
5. Sometimes Jesus speaks in human terms.
   • Jesus often speaks in a way that fits His role as the incarnate Messiah, not revealing all the divine mystery at once.
   • Basil says this is similar to how Jesus “grew in wisdom” in Luke 2:52—not because He lacked wisdom, but because His humanity was revealed in stages.

Basil’s Analogy (paraphrased):

It’s like when a teacher says to a student, “I don’t know the answer”—not because they’re ignorant, but to push the student to think more deeply. Similarly, Christ says He doesn’t know, not because He is truly ignorant, but to hide the knowledge for a good purpose.

And this is in like with acts 1:8 where he said it’s not for YOU to know the time allotted by the father

bro is using chat gpt
he doesnt know the hour but he does know being infinite and finite at the same time
omg so logical

if you read the context it refers to knowledge

Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. mark 13:33
Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 13:35

Mental gymnastics

he curse is that anybody on the tree shall “die” because it’s a TYPOLOGY of the curse that humans inherited from the consequences of the great fall so we all HUMANS were cursed and Jesus took on that curse the curse being our human nature and humanity to destroy the power death had over it that’s why the cross went from being an CURSED THING to something THAT BRINGS LIFE which is echoed by Moses in the desert when he used the Snake stature to heal the Israelites a statue originally used to kill the Israelites for upsetting god, God used it to heal them

THIS IS WHY WE REVERE AND VENERATE THE HOLY CROSS FOR GOD HAS SANCTIFIED IT AS A SYMBOL OF HIM Destoying DEATH FOR US

i didnt ask if it was a typology, i asked if it was to be cursed in any sense

How can it bring life when it was used to kill?

The snake isnt the cross, so you're falsely extrapolating the snake stature to the cross.


You venerate the cross, thats like venerating an electric chair for torturing someone

Everything else From this point is pure rambling and ridiculous and not worth answering.

yEs bRo its TotAlly nOt wOrth mY tiMe

 

[Basedman420]

Calls me stupid

Can’t answer a simple question on how he knows Allah



I get that you belive you can go to revelation but I’m asking you as an empiricist how can you discern what Allah is saying as he clearly has no simlitude and thefore even analogies fail at representing him in any meaningful wah so you literally cannot know him.

I’m also then asking you how can you link anything in the created order to an being that is so removed from the causal chain or creation that there’s no linkage as you have weighted the diffidence between the two such that it is impossible to relate infer or make analogies of Allah in any way.

I don’t have this issue was I can link creation back to God thanks to St Maximus the confessor who gave the divine rays stating that the 4 steps are creation which finds its fulfilment in the Principles which finds fulfilment in the Logoi (mind of God) which finds its fulfilment in the Logos (the word) through which God creates

Notice how there’s a link how creation goes back to god how god interacts from the get go?


Now your stupid religion lacks this and even your gods actions are such that they collapse the act and effect such that an act doesn’t take place but an affect magically happens according to Ash’aris and Maturidis.

If Allah isn’t acting then the effect cannot be caused by him and his act DUH

It’s metaphysically incoherent to condense the act and effect into one as that implies the act (God) is his effect (creation) which is an oxymoron.

So this leads to epistemic Agnosticism as you cannot reasonably state how and why everything comes from Allah And why we even need Allah considering nothing can be linked back to him so there’s no reason to even believe in him clearly.

Also if alllahs will is permanent as I said what is causing the will to “will” what is it that makes the will effect different sifat at different times for those sifat to activate and deactivate at different times be it temporal or non temporal? You have yet to explain this part. The fact that his will does different things and affects different sifats implies an change in said sifats and an change in the will and if there is no change then your gods an Automaton running on a script removing divine sovereignty

Either way you look at it your COOKED


And finally like your boyfriend @sigmamogger @JasGews69x and @Basedman420 you end up defaulting to “ERR I DUNNO ALLAHU SALEM BILLAH KHAIF “

you didn't answer my question yet you're keep saying"cloak cloak" the cloak thing isn't even logical

#WASTED

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

you didn't answer my question yet you're keep saying"cloak cloak" the cloak thing isn't even logical

#WASTED

So your arguments against the trinity rely on fallacies and strawmans

The father is the Aietia the Arche so the will of the father is used linguistically to emphasise the father being the first cause aka trinitarain economia. The son thefore as he states in John 5 and Matt 11 “And no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and to whom the Son might choose to reveal Him. “ “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.“


You’re also conflating the Gnomic will of the human nature with the divine will of the divine subject (Agent). Jesus in flesh had the human blameless passions that’s common sense but his human will was always subservient to the divine will which he always had alongside the father and spirit .

This is why we Christian’s say Jesus had 2 wills, Divine and man. The human will is a will off desire (Gnomic) but the divine will is the will shared with the father and spirit that’s what he’s referring to that’s what Jesus was speaking about .

I’m using the snake as an example and a Typology of the cross as that’s what God symbolises with the cross. He showed that he can sanctify anything even a pagan snake statue and make it of GOD. So the same he did with the symbol of death, he conquered it destroyed it freed us from it and made the cross a symbol for life and goodness.

That’s the point dumbass


You failed badly and you realise even St Clement of Roman and Ignatus both apostles of the deciples claim Jesus was god in the 1st century right?

Here look trinity in 1st century By st Ignatus deciple of John the apostle.
Chapter 18:

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God, conceived in the womb by Mary, of the seed of David, but by the Holy Ghost. He was born and baptized, that by His passion He might purify the water.



So I dunno where you get this “Nobody believed until 300 years later”

Also answer my question bitch you are you running from me if your too stupid to understand basic philosophy don’t bother arguing with me clearly your not on the level to debate Christology and the trinity if your using these low tier arguments that even a catechumen could destroy

 

[Basedman420]

I did your just too fucking stupid to understand the answer and your question is the most ludicrous one I have ever seen so yes like your boyfriend above @

@JasGews69x keep crying.

sophistry.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

sophistry.

When the Mohammeden has no response they lean on Billah Khaif and “Sophistry”

Your boyfriend Jas is smarter than you to challenge me on Philopshy because he knows he’s outclassed but even running to the Bible and history he has proven himself a fraud as I have shown him people believed Jesus was god in the 1st cemetery not the 4th and showed him those verses he uses proves the trinity not his nonsense not only that but I showed him the 2 wills in Christ refer to the human nature and divine nature. The divine only has one will for WILL IS A PROPERTY OF NATURE not AGENT something he’s too fucking retarded to know


Your all beneath me I have slayed the Ummah I have raped the allahu ackbars view me like a crusader in a Horse ramming my lance into your Saracen sandnigger chest you insect pagan scum

 

[Basedman420]

The father is the Aietia the Arche so the will of the father is used linguistically to emphasise the father being the first cause aka trinitarain economia. The son thefore as he states in John 5 and Matt 11 “And no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and to whom the Son might choose to reveal Him. “ “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.“

You just admitted the father is the cause and the origin. that means the son comes from the father. so how can they be equal if one causes the other?
Either:

1-the son is lower than the father which kills the idea of being “equal in essence”

2-or they’re equal and there’s no real cause which contradicts your own statement.

 

[Basedman420]

You’re also conflating the Gnomic will of the human nature with the will of the divine subject. Jesus in flesh had the human blameless passions that’s common sense but his human will was always subservient to the divine will which he always had alongside the father.

You say jesus has a human will (gnomic = choosing between options) and a divine will.
but here’s the problem:
1-if the gnomic will is part of his person then jesus changes and struggles internally. that’s not divine.

2-if it’s not part of his person, then jesus has two persons, which is heresy (nestorianism).

 

[Basedman420]

This is why we Christian’s say Jesus had 2 wills, Divine and man. The human will is a will off desire (Gnomic) but the divine will is the will shared with the father and spirit that’s what he’s referring to that’s what Jesus was speaking about

then which one is in control? if the divine will is always dominating the human will then the human will is just for show. and if they can never clash then why even say two wills? It’s empty words. also if the human will is always submitting then jesus is not equal. he’s a servant not coequal God.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You just admitted the father is the cause and the origin. that means the son comes from the father. so how can they be equal if one causes the other?
Either:

1-the son is lower than the father which kills the idea of being “equal in essence”

2-or they’re equal and there’s no real cause which contradicts your own statement.

Yes because that’s Monarchical trinitarianism you absolute idiot…

Once again you think you have made a point but all you have done is state what I already believe. Gods word and spirit are ETERNALLY generated by the Father out of space time eternally as the Bible says in 1 Colossians 1:15 and John 1:1

The father has always had his son and spirit eternally before all ages before all time before all began they have existed as long as him with him for they are from him and off him.

They are not equal in ROLE but in ontology in being/Existence they are equal. They have unique roles but their roles do not take away from their ontological makeup. The same way a king and a prince are both equally human but a Kings position is higher than a prince same applies here. The fathers unique role is the beginner through the Son all is carried out and in the spirit all is perfected in ONE SINGULAR OPERATION ONE SINGULAR ACT .


Learn what Christians belive before you chat shit.

I have destroyed your gay Islam and now I see you doing the Muslim shuffle now trying to interrogate me and your only making yourself out to be the fool by thinking you have “Gotchas” when your simply stating what I already believe you fucking idiot

 

[Basedman420]

Yes because that’s Monarchical trinitarianism you absolute idiot…

that’s the problem. MT admits that the father is the source and the son and spirit are derived . you can’t say someone is from another and still call them equal in being.
causation implies dependence. if the father causes the son eternally then the son is:
1-not self-existent

2-not independent

3-not the arche

 

[Basedman420]

They are not equal in ROLE but in ontology in being/Existence they are equal. They have unique roles but their roles do not take away from their ontological makeup. The same way a king and a prince are both equally human but a Kings position is higher than a prince same applies here. The fathers unique role is the beginner through the Son all is carried out and in the spirit all is perfected in ONE SINGULAR OPERATION ONE SINGULAR ACT

"a triangle and a square are both shapes but one has more sides forever"

this is classic category confusion. you say their roles differ but they’re ontologically equal. if the son can’t act without the father and the spirit depends on the father and son to proceed then their function is rooted in their essence.

 

[Basedman420]

they have existed as long as him with him for they are from him and off him.

having the same timeline doesn’t fix the dependency. if i eternally cause a shadow that shadow is always there but it’s still dependent on me.
so the son being "eternally generated" doesn’t solve anything he’s still not ase (self-existent) which is essential to being God.

 

[Basedman420]

ONE SINGULAR OPERATION ONE SINGULAR ACT

If the father initiates the son carries out and the spirit perfects then that’s three actions not one. the only way this would be “one act” is if they’re not really distinct but if they’re not distinct then no trinity.
so either:
1-they’re distinct and do different things (that’s 3 wills/actions)

2-or they’re not distinct (that’s modal
ism)

 

[Basedman420]

I have destroyed your gay Islam and now I see you doing the Muslim shuffle now trying to interrogate me and your only making yourself out to be the fool by thinking you have “Gotchas” when your simply stating what I already believe you fucking idiot

you keep saying that like you claimed me but that just shows how stupid and weak you're normal christian mentality

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

you keep saying that like you claimed me but that just shows how stupid and weak you're normal christian mentality

Check you panicking like the filthy vile Mohammeden you are such a pathetic religion and a Pathetic people. Just like the crusades where you faggots outnumbered the Christian’s 5 to 1 and still lost most battles this is what I’m doing here. 5 Mohammedens against one Christian and your all my bitch

If the father initiates the son carries out and the spirit perfects then that’s three actions not one. the only way this would be “one act” is if they’re not really distinct but if they’re not distinct then no trinity.
so either:
1-they’re distinct and do different things (that’s 3 wills/actions)

2-or they’re not distinct (that’s modal
ism)

No it’s one action just the mode of the one act is what distinguishes their role. The “act” is not completed until all the persons complete their role which is done instantly outside space time for as I said god is beyond “time”

So the unique mode of the act is what makes it the one act that all persons participate in. And no they don’t do different things as is did just unwise roles within the same act

Fucks same your dull, if you have an issue with this provide me evidence as to how and why this ain’t possible (ofc you cannot)

But yeah keep running away from me refuting Allah which I have already done ahahah and you can’t defend it so you Muslim shuffle to try debate the trinity which I don’t mind as I’m humiliating you in front of everybody

that’s the problem. MT admits that the father is the source and the son and spirit are derived . you can’t say someone is from another and still call them equal in being.
causation implies dependence. if the father causes the son eternally then the son is:
1-not self-existent

2-not independent

3-not the arche

No you’re the idiot that makes catagory errors, once again show how this isn’t logically possible, present a coherent argument based on metaphysics that refutes the MT. Please do it (you cannot cos your an dickhead)

The Son and spirit are ETERNALLY GENERATED meaning ETERNALLY and are EXPRESSONS OF THE FATHERS DIVINE NATURE, thefore they are literally one with the father the same way your mind is one with you and your spirit/soul.

The father doesn’t “instantiate” the persons they are generated eternally forever and thus are one with God. Dependence doesnt negate something from being part of the same catagory as being of the same catagory doesn’t imply it should maybe the same properties for example all carnivores are meat eaters but not all meat eaters (omnivores) are carnivores yet both are the same class catagory yet have different properties.

You’re also conflating hydrostatic properties (properties of the persons) to mean they are synonymous with the properties of the nature. Which are not the same thing.

So yes just like in my example things of the same category need not have the same properties to be classified as such


GET FUCKED Abdoool

I debunked Allah and you failed to debunk the trinity

@PsychoH @666PSL @vrilmaxxer @vevcred2_0 @terrorblade @Rabbi @goyimslayer

 

[Basedman420]

Check you panicking like the filthy vile Mohammeden you are such a pathetic religion and a Pathetic people. Just like the crusades where you faggots outnumbered the Christian’s 5 to 1 and still lost most battles this is what I’m doing here. 5 Mohammedens against one Christian and your all my bitch


No it’s one action just the mode of the one act is what distinguishes their role. The “act” is not completed until all the persons complete their role which is done instantly outside space time for as I said god is beyond “time”

So the unique mode of the act is what makes it the one act that all persons participate in. And no they don’t do different things as is did just unwise roles within the same act

Fucks same your dull, if you have an issue with this provide me evidence as to how and why this ain’t possible (ofc you cannot)

But yeah keep running away from me refuting Allah which I have already done ahahah and you can’t defend it so you Muslim shuffle to try debate the trinity which I don’t mind as I’m humiliating you in front of everybody

No you’re the idiot that makes catagory errors, once again show how this isn’t logically possible, present a coherent argument based on metaphysics that refutes the MT. Please do it (you cannot cos your an dickhead)

The Son and spirit are ETERNALLY GENERATED meaning ETERNALLY and are EXPRESSONS OF THE FATHERS DIVINE NATURE, thefore they are literally one with the father the same way your mind is one with you and your spirit/soul.

The father doesn’t “instantiate” the persons they are generated eternally forever and thus are one with God. Dependence doesnt negate something from being part of the same catagory as being of the same catagory doesn’t imply it should maybe the same properties for example all carnivores are meat eaters but not all meat eaters (omnivores) are carnivores yet both are the same class catagory yet have different properties.

You’re also conflating hydrostatic properties (properties of the persons) to mean they are synonymous with the properties of the nature. Which are not the same thing.

So yes just like in my example things of the same category need not have the same properties to be classified as such


GET FUCKED Abdoool

I debunked Allah and you failed to debunk the trinity

@PsychoH @666PSL @vrilmaxxer @vevcred2_0 @terrorblade @Rabbi @goyimslayer

You say the father initiates, the son carries out and the spirit perfects that’s three distinct roles which logically implies three distinct actions and three wills. that’s not one act that’s three no matter how much you try to label it "one act". then you try to dodge by saying it’s "outside of time" but even outside of time: logical order still applies. cause and effect don’t disappear just because you move the discussion into metaphysical fog. if the son is "generated" or "begotten" then he’s not self-existent which means he’s dependent and that dependency kills the whole idea of him being a true God. only the uncaused necessary being can be God. and in your system that's only the father. so the son and the spirit are just divine-sounding derivativesnot coequal not coeternal in essence just subordinates.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You say the father initiates, the son carries out and the spirit perfects that’s three distinct roles which logically implies three distinct actions and three wills. that’s not one act that’s three no matter how much you try to label it "one act". then you try to dodge by saying it’s "outside of time" but even outside of time: logical order still applies. cause and effect don’t disappear just because you move the discussion into metaphysical fog. if the son is "generated" or "begotten" then he’s not self-existent which means he’s dependent and that dependency kills the whole idea of him being a true God. only the uncaused necessary being can be God. and in your system that's only the father. so the son and the spirit are just divine-sounding derivativesnot coequal not coeternal in essence just subordinates.

Ima teach you philosophy again you stupid Gaymohammeden faggot the same way Mohammed taught 9 year old
Aisha to clean his semen soiled clothes like the faggot Mohammed is


No that’s just all in one act you shook it a donut. When you do something you initiate it carry it out and finish it all in one act are you a fucking retard. Now imagine that but outside space time and instantly

Once again you donut you failed

Self existence is a property of the hypostasis not the essense, son & spirit originate from the Father, but you have yet to provide any evidence or philosophical grounding as to why non self existence removes one from the catagory of “God” especially when said “Asaity” is not an property of a Substance but instead a Particular. The essense is enhypostesised by the particular (Father) therefore sharing the same essense doesn’t requirement one to have the same personal property that picks out the father that being self existence.

The term “God” is a generic term a title that historically meant a role as the ruler sovereign Lord over something. God can be used to pick our ruling, divine essense and even a person. So the son and spirit are God by predication not by identity the same way the father is god via identity. This is simple and easy to understand but your dumbass keeps equivocating on the word “God” and collapsing the hypostatic properties with the essence which is not what we believe so your attacking a strawman once again.

Asaity is not a property of the essense the divine nature but a property of the father in which the essense is enhypostosised in. The mind/will as I said before is a property of the nature and if the son and spirit share the same nature as the father then guess what…. THEY SHARE THE SAME WILL

ANOTHER L FROM YOU WOMP WOMP WOMMMPPP you can’t refute anything

 

[Basedman420]

Ima teach you philosophy again you stupid Gaymohammeden faggot the same way Mohammed taught 9 year old
Aisha to clean his semen soiled clothes like the faggot Mohammed is


No that’s just all in one act you shook it a donut. When you do something you initiate it carry it out and finish it all in one act are you a fucking retard. Now imagine that but outside space time and instantly

Once again you donut you failed

Self existence is a property of the hypostasis not the essense, son & spirit originate from the Father, but you have yet to provide any evidence or philosophical grounding as to why non self existence removes one from the catagory of “God” especially when said “Asaity” is not an property of a Substance but instead a Particular. The essense is enhypostesised by the particular (Father) therefore sharing the same essense doesn’t requirement one to have the same personal property that picks out the father that being self existence.

The term “God” is a generic term a title that historically meant a role as the ruler sovereign Lord over something. God can be used to pick our ruling, divine essense and even a person. So the son and spirit are God by predication not by identity the same way the father is god via identity. This is simple and easy to understand but your dumbass keeps equivocating on the word “God” and collapsing the hypostatic properties with the essence which is not what we believe so your attacking a strawman once again.

Asaity is not a property of the essense the divine nature but a property of the father in which the essense is enhypostosised in. The mind/will as I said before is a property of the nature and if the son and spirit share the same nature as the father then guess what…. THEY SHARE THE SAME WILL

ANOTHER L FROM YOU WOMP WOMP WOMMMPPP you can’t refute anything

You claim that aseity (self-existence) is a property of the hypostasis (the person) not the essence (ousia). if the divine essence itself lacks aseity then it’s not worthy of being called "God" in the absolute sense. and if the essence has aseity but the son and spirit don’t possess it because they’re derived then they don’t fully possess the divine essence. you can’t have it both ways. your analogy about "predication" vs "identity" doesn’t fix it it worsens it. if the father is God by identity, and the son/spirit only by predication then you're literally saying the son and spirit are not God by essence just called God by some borrowed title or role. that’s not coequality that’s hierarchical theism with one true God and two ontologically lesser beings. and saying "they share the same will" because they share the essence only works if they are not truly distinct hypostases with distinct properties. if they’re distinct persons then either each has a center of willing (which = three wills) or they’re not real persons but just modes which collapses into modalism. im not discussing you again i think either you were raised in the streets or you are intellectually bankrupt.