It’s beyond brutal how just a few millimeters of recession in the infraorbital-malar region can utterly cuck your anti-aging efforts

[Acquiescence]

Rant incoming, inb4 dnr + autism

You can do everything right - healthy lifestyle, leanmax, spf and retinoids, dutasteride and minoxidil, botox and co2 laser, even be clean shaven + do laser hair removal for zero beard shadow - and STILL look aged and washed up if you have recession in this region.

As soon as the shield of perfect youthful collagen, elastin, connective tissue, and fat pads degrades juuuuust a little bit, you’re FUCKED - dark, hollow under eyes paired with deepening nasolabial folds are in store for you buddy boyo. Beyond brutal.

When I can manage to get in a good couple nights of sleep + use multiple layers of undereye concealer, it helps mask things a bit, but not by much. All it takes is standing under the right angle of harsh lighting, and the facade instantly crumbles. So you can imagine the brutality when insomnia strikes.

And it’s not just in my head, people who’ve known me for years have literally come up to me and said “damn bro, you’re looking kind of tired today, you aight?” Or “You looked so much younger back then bro (when looking at a photo of me even just 2 years ago JFL)”. Nuclear suifuel right there lads.

Admittedly, I haven’t been perfect in my softmaxxing efforts, but fuck me man, so many dudes I know within my age bracket who live much worse lifestyles than me, and who definitely don’t practice an ounce of preventative aging measures, look much younger and better than me, simply due to good bones and genetics. Maybe I’ll best them in the long run, but who gives af when you’re 50, it matters more NOW. This is why I’ve come to believe softmaxxing is only worth it up to a point, and further optimization past that is a complete waste of time and energy that would be better spent wageslaving for high ROI surgery. Just another genetic determinism, hiroshima nagasaki bp I guess.

There’s no coping with this, I just have to wait it out till I can afford ascension via facial osteotomies and implants + maybe even an early life composite facelift, depending on how favorably the soft tissue re-drapes over the enhanced bone structure. The slow savings grind to get there is so excruciating when you know that every year that passes you by is yet another part of your oh-so-limited prime gone forever. I still try to make the most of my time by enjoying good copes, family, going out with friends to bars and house parties and all that, but the reality is my looks level simply isn’t up to snuff yet, and I’m doomed to be an invisible, discardable jestermaxxing oofy doofy like all the rest, sans serious hardmaxxing.

@Foreverbrad Your advice of wageslaving for surgeries ASAP, starting in your teen years, is god tier. All you youngcels on this form better take heed. Had I learnt all of this shit back when I was 16, perhaps I could have had enough time to prevent this disaster. But now at 23, with high school and college in the rear view window, and so much time and energy wasted on pointless bluepill and redpill side quests I will never get back, the damage is done. At this point I’m simply trying to make the best of a bad situation.

It’s not all bad though. As Saint Rehab Room says, the mog and suffering in life is relative. Living in the first world, not having any major health problems, enjoying a relatively cush lifestyle, and enjoying good copes and platonic relationships makes life tolerable. But knowing just how much better it could all be hurts badly, no matter what you tell yourself to re-frame and cope with losing the genetic lottery.

 

[StarvedEpi]

no pics BRB using my imagination

 

[zemult]

Send pics or larp.

 

[Acquiescence]

no pics BRB using my imagination

Send pics or larp.

Current looksmaxxing assessment and future plans | Photos and 3D CT scans included

Stats: 23 yo, 5'10, 160 lbs Face Photos Set 1 (taken further away to convey true facial shape and ratios, little lens distortion): Photo Set 2 (close up shots to show soft tissue and skin details, significant lens distortion): 3D CT Scan of Soft Tissue Video: 3D CT Scan of Facial Bones...

looksmax.org

 

[zemult]

Current looksmaxxing assessment and future plans | Photos and 3D CT scans included

Stats: 23 yo, 5'10, 160 lbs Face Photos Set 1 (taken further away to convey true facial shape and ratios, little lens distortion): Photo Set 2 (close up shots to show soft tissue and skin details, significant lens distortion): 3D CT Scan of Soft Tissue Video: 3D CT Scan of Facial Bones...

looksmax.org

Mirin' the hardmaxxing effort but these subtle nasolabial folds in the worst of lighting are the least of your problems. You're just wasting your time, other more important falios to fix. You also look below average at worst tbh, this thread is very exaggerated.

Dark circles yeah, infraorbital implants are your best bet. But this thread is pointless tbh, it's very doomer when the solution is right there. Yeah, it sucks, other people just have that infraorbital bone naturally, but you might as well move along rather than think about it constantly. You can also cope with concealer, can't say the same about your close-set eyes.

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

its not the bone structure that's the issue but the facial ratios and the soft tissue/ fat placement genetics. If you get lean and still can't see those bones its the fat distribution to the face and soft tissue placement which is the issue. Giant won't be able to help. Youll need some old looksmaxxing rater to help you or one that has keen eye for harmony. Best thing to do is find a celebrity/model that you closely resemble and try to mimick that within normal means so you don't get botched.
LIke I know a fag that made his image around jake paul/jack harlow

 

[zemult]

its not the bone structure that's the issue but the facial ratios and the soft tissue/ fat placement genetics. If you get lean and still can't see those bones its the fat distribution to the face and soft tissue placement which is the issue. Giant won't be able to help. Youll need some old looksmaxxing rater to help you or one that has keen eye for harmony. Best thing to do is find a celebrity/model that you closely resemble and try to mimick that within normal means so you don't get botched.
LIke I know a fag that made his image around jake paul/jack harlow

This nigga thinks he's an oldcel at the age of 23 with prominent nasolabial folds. Look at the thread he linked

I can't be the only one thinking this guy is focusing on the completely wrong problems JFL

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

This nigga thinks he's an oldcel at the age of 23 with prominent nasolabial folds. Look at the thread he linked

Yeah his last sentence is like typical rope fuel that most initially blackpilled people . But without blackpill you would be coping your whole life, I see it as knowledge and another means of ways to improve. This isn't bad, yes he ain't chad but he can improve his life with the implementation of his plan.

 

[zemult]

Yeah his last sentence is like typical rope fuel that most initially blackpilled people . But without blackpill you would be coping your whole life, I see it as knowledge and another means of ways to improve. This isn't bad, yes he ain't chad but he can improve his life with the implementation of his plan.

He has a lot to improve for sure. But the LL and "nasolabial folds" is blackpill delusion. Nigga is getting LL at 5'10, I'd understand if he wasn't actually 5'10 and was larping. Just get lifts.

 

[Narroworbits]

You have a death tier falio (0.40-41 esr) and your jaw frontal angle is bad, I have no idea why youre focusing on anti aging when it will just make you look more baby faced

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

He has a lot to improve for sure. But the LL and "nasolabial folds" is blackpill delusion. Nigga is getting LL at 5'10, I'd understand if he wasn't actually 5'10 and was larping. Just get lifts.

initial phase of bp, he won't get like 70% of the stuff he's mentioning. LL and talking to giant itself is a meme and only reserved to those who are in the bottom percentile who are desperate. Its like the bimax surgery which is useless for normies.
I think he's already frauding to 5'10.
The dude is getting laser removal for his facial hair I mean jfl
just atp

 

[HandsomeOrDeath]

No shit sherlock. Sculpted chiseled facial bone structure of a Super Hero is superiority.

 

[Acquiescence]

Responses in bold text

Mirin' the hardmaxxing effort but these subtle nasolabial folds in the worst of lighting are the least of your problems. Obviously there are far more fundamental issues to address then the beginnings of the naso folds. I made this rant post because I'm just frustrated how a single subpar bone structure region (bad infras and flat cheekbones) can torpedo so many other efforts to look well rested, healthy, youthful etc. And I've barely begun to age in the grand scheme of things, this is a ticking time bomb as the years go by if it doesn't get addressed soon

You're just wasting your time, other more important falios to fix. Ideally the fixing of those larger failos will simultaneously fix the lesser failos - for example, bilateral orbital box and tripod osteotomies, fixated with custom supras and infra-malars, will not only achieve changes in the spacing and shape of the eyes but will also reshape and contour the soft tissue of the surrounding eye area - multiple birds with one large surgery stone

You also look below average at worst tbh, this thread is very exaggerated. Never claimed to be giga ugly, nomie oofy doofy tier instead. But you and the rest of this forum should know that that isn't enough to be genuinely desired in 2024

Dark circles yeah, infraorbital implants are your best bet. But this thread is pointless tbh, it's very doomer when the solution is right there. Yeah, it sucks, other people just have that infraorbital bone naturally, but you might as well move along rather than think about it constantly. You can also cope with concealer, can't say the same about your close-set eyes. Saving up for hardmaxxes is not a quick and easy task for the majority, myself included. Every year that passes by is yet another year of not living up to your full potential. So sorry not sorry for complaining every now and then, expecting people to easily accept and move on from the absurdity of different life outcomes based upon millimeters of bone isn't realistic. As I mentioned, I still do my best to live life and seize the day, but this lookism shit is something you can't simply forget once you learn how deep the rabbit hole truly goes. And as for the close set eyes, why do you think I want to consult with Giant? He pioneered cosmetic obo brotha

its not the bone structure that's the issue but the facial ratios and the soft tissue/ fat placement genetics. And just what do you think is a huge contributing factor for those unideal facial ratios and, to an extent, the soft tissue / fat placement? Probably something that rhymes with jones is my best guess

If you get lean and still can't see those bones its the fat distribution to the face and soft tissue placement which is the issue. Yes it's possible there could be a thick fatty layer of soft tissue that doesn't go away even with leaning out irrespective of bone structure, but dude I have the scans available, I could definitely benefit from some level of augmentation let's be real here

Giant won't be able to help. Youll need some old looksmaxxing rater to help you or one that has keen eye for harmony. Best thing to do is find a celebrity/model that you closely resemble and try to mimick that within normal means so you don't get botched.
LIke I know a fag that made his image around jake paul/jack harlow Trying to model oneself after a celebrity look alike is probably more likely to get yourself bogged than simply working to enhance what's there with a unique vision imo. And given I have one of the hardest failos to fix (close set eyes), of course I'm going to seek help from the guy who had the intelligence and ambition to pioneer, patent, trial, and showcase cosmetic obo (the only true fix for that failo)

This nigga thinks he's an oldcel at the age of 23 with prominent nasolabial folds. Look at the thread he linked They're not very prominent yet but the groundwork is there, it's not going to magically get better. And yes, at 23 there is still time for a meaningful prime to happen, but as this community should know ascension is not something you fuck around with, you need to make your moves early in life. Some would say it's already far too late for me jfl

I can't be the only one thinking this guy is focusing on the completely wrong problems JFL Please elucidate brother, I think I have a lot of my failos, and the potential fixes for them, dead to rights

Yeah his last sentence is like typical rope fuel that most initially blackpilled people "Initially blackpilled". I know this is a huge cliched meme, but I've been lurking this site for a long time, even with this recent greycel account standing contrary to that. And to a certain extent, I've been forced to be some level of blackpilled since age 13, when acne began erupting across my face and I had to go through the middle school ringer as a pizza face. I ain't some naïve novice

But the LL and "nasolabial folds" is blackpill delusion. Nigga is getting LL at 5'10, I'd understand if he wasn't actually 5'10 and was larping. Just get lifts. I explicitly stated in my first thread with the overarching ascension plan that LL is not necessary - I might get it. I've never felt short throughout my life and would probably do just fine without it, for the record. But the benefits of being tall are overwhelming and undeniable. If the data all points towards one conclusion, and taking into account how colossally huge the reaper of lookism is in daily life, I feel justified in at least exploring it as an option, obviously after fixing the higher priority (face) given my acceptable base height. And the naso folds are very much starting to form, not a massive problem yet ofc but once again these things progress over time, it's not delusional to be proactive about it. I have lifts too, easy low hanging fruit so why not, but you should be able to understand the appeal of a permanent solution

You have a death tier falio (0.40-41 esr) and your jaw frontal angle is bad. Hence the necessity for Giant

I have no idea why youre focusing on anti aging when it will just make you look more baby faced Because saving up to get better bones with surgery on an average salary takes a long ass time, and anti-aging is 1) a water is wet no brainer aspect of looksmaxxing, 2) something best done as early as possible, 3) something you will have to pursue your entire life if you want to achieve meaningful/noticeable mitigation, and 4) relatively low hanging fruit cost-and-effort wise for the preventative softmaxxing aspect of it. So might as well get it out of the way now instead of letting things fester during the savings grind

initial phase of bp, he won't get like 70% of the stuff he's mentioning. Not an entirely unlikely scenario, given how expensive hardmaxxing is, but what else is there to do in this life? I've already accepted my lot and am doing what I can to enjoy the cards I was dealt as-is. But better looks matter at any age, so given enough time via grinding at a 9-5, anyone in a country with a decent economy can eventually scrape the funds together for surgery, even if it takes years and years, which is 100% my plan. It's not a black and white thing, you can both enjoy the ride and aim for improvement, there's a lot of multi-dimensionality at play here

I think he's already frauding to 5'10. What reason would I have to larp my height? I can post some form of proof if you really want me to
The dude is getting laser removal for his facial hair I mean jfl
just atp I see you haven't been pilled on beard shadow yet smh smh. Especially on a boneless face like mine it looks horrible

No shit sherlock. Sculpted chiseled facial bone structure of a Super Hero is superiority. Finally, someone who gets it

 

[Narroworbits]

Responses in bold text

mirin the giga autism

 

[Acquiescence]

mirin the giga autism

Rant incoming, inb4 dnr + autism

You better be

 

[Foreverbrad]

The cost of it all is a real kick in the balls on average or low salary.

It’s like being born with a debt you have to pay off for your whole life.
£30k on bimax and infras early in your life is catastrophic, that £30k could have been a million by retirement. Thousands a year needed on other treatments too that probably could have been avoided with better genetics.

But it’s that or not really have a life at all. An optimistic take would be that the sooner you get hardmaxxing out of the way, the more time you’ll have for your improved looks to positively impact your career.

 

[lurking truecel]

The cost of it all is a real kick in the balls on average or low salary.

It’s like being born with a debt you have to pay off for your whole life.
£30k on bimax and infras early in your life is catastrophic, that £30k could have been a million by retirement. Thousands a year needed on other treatments too that probably could have been avoided with better genetics.

But it’s that or not really have a life at all. An optimistic take would be that the sooner you get hardmaxxing out of the way, the more time you’ll have for your improved looks to positively impact your career.

I mean looks won't really boost your career. But at the same time looks are still so important that its worth it. I mean having money is important also but without comfortable skin you won't even do shit in your life

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

your income is in USD or Euros apparently

one or two years of wageslaving and you have enough funds to undergo whatever surgery or implants you want on a third world country

are you willing to do it though or you think only US doctors are eligible enough to do this? I have seen botched cases by US doctors, they're not any better than the rest of the world

PEEK infras in Brazil would cost you approximately $5k, find a trustworthy surgeon with experience on this

 

[GrowthReaper]

You're focusing on your like 5th worst failo. You are bloated and fat as fuck, your lips are extremely thin and you have bug eyes.

If you're gonna have surgery, get lean first.

 

[Acquiescence]

You're focusing on your like 5th worst failo. You are bloated and fat as fuck, your lips are extremely thin and you have bug eyes.

If you're gonna have surgery, get lean first.

If you would've actually bothered to read anything I've posted, you would've seen that:

1. I'm very well aware of my other more pressing failos. Just felt like making a vent post about a specific issue, and genetic determinism in general.

2. I'm already leanmaxxed. You're not the first to accuse me of being fat so here's some proof:

Trust me, I've put some serious effort into many different softmaxxes. At the end of the day, I and many others with similar cases need surgery on top of everything else if we want to achieve a meaningful change in smv.

I don't know why I even bother with high effort replies to people ngl. You're probably just gonna dnr this too . I suppose I just wanted to chronicle some of my efforts, to prove that I've given things an honest effort in life, if to nobody else but myself. Going to stop posting until I have some meaningful surgical results to share, or if I decide to abandon further looksmaxxing efforts and go geomaxxing instead. Either way boyos, don't be a free agent in life

 

[TheNextOPry]

start smashing the fuck out of your infras bro theres no other way

 

[TheNextOPry]

If you would've actually bothered to read anything I've posted, you would've seen that:

1. I'm very well aware of my other more pressing failos. Just felt like making a vent post about a specific issue, and genetic determinism in general.

2. I'm already leanmaxxed. You're not the first to accuse me of being fat so here's some proof:

View attachment 3325527

Trust me, I've put some serious effort into many different softmaxxes. At the end of the day, I and many others with similar cases need surgery on top of everything else if we want to achieve a meaningful change in smv.

I don't know why I even bother with high effort replies to people ngl. You're probably just gonna dnr this too . I suppose I just wanted to chronicle some of my efforts, to prove that I've given things an honest effort in life, if to nobody else but myself. Going to stop posting until I have some meaningful surgical results to share, or if I decide to abandon further looksmaxxing efforts and go geomaxxing instead. Either way boyos, don't be a free agent in life

brutal eye area

 

[Klasik616]

brutal eye area

His face shape is a bigger problem but yea he is lacking bones and his eyebrows are too high. He could get a high ltb with good body max, I don't see him slaying mtbs.

 

[zemult]

Responses in bold text

The problem is you don't have a level of a recession where it'd cause nasolabial folds. Everyone has "nasolabial folds", even babies. It's when fat builds up in those areas and they become prominent where it becomes a problem. Looking at your pictures this is clearly not the case (you're schizo). Look through @Orc 's posts on nasolabial folds.

A lot of this is mental mastrubation to distract from your real falios. You have death-tier ESR, giga high-set eyebrows, narrow jaw, etc.
Yes it's unfortunate that you have to save up for surgeries like OBO or infras when your looksmatch is out there having the time of their life. But this is water, something you just have to accept. It's also exaggerated a lot on this site because anyone with an IQ above 70 can recall times they've seen normie men having decent dating lives. Obviously your life would improve with the surgeries tho, don't take this as some bluepill promotion. You're just being mega overdramatic and putting too much focus on the wrong issues.

 

[zemult]

His face shape is a bigger problem but yea he is lacking bones and his eyebrows are too high. He could get a high ltb with good body max, I don't see him slaying mtbs.

His ESR is his death-tier falio imo, otherwise he could be like a strong MTN or something.

 

[chrishell]

You need jaw surgery to lengthen your face and potentially OBO to widen your eyes.

Everything else comes after that.

 

[NEET_Emperor]

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His ESR is his death-tier falio imo, otherwise he could be like a strong MTN or something.

over

 

[zeek]

lengthening your face with trimax and a midface/undereye fat graft or bleph would easily ascend you

no need to cry or worry about others

 

[Disrupted Gene]

Its already over for people with an inadequate fat pad causing dark circles

 

[Sodoku]

I can't be the only one thinking this guy is focusing on the completely wrong problems JFL

Yes you are.

His assessment is correct. He needs bimax + infra/supra.

 

[PrimalPlasty]

got the same issue

 

[zemult]

Yes you are.

His assessment is correct. He needs bimax + infra/supra.

No bimax for his cyclops eye spacing. He needs OBO more than anything else. It may solve his slightly short face sure, but his eye spacing makes him permanently MTN.

Also he spent most of the thread crying about "nasolabial folds" which aren't even a falio of his. Bimax wouldn't even fix his "problems" there.
The nigga also talked about getting LL at 5'10 as well (JFL).

Expected more from a 2018cel.

 

[Acquiescence]

No bimax for his cyclops eye spacing. He needs OBO more than anything else. It may solve his slightly short face sure, but his eye spacing makes him permanently MTN.

Also he spent most of the thread crying about "nasolabial folds" which aren't even a falio of his. Bimax wouldn't even fix his "problems" there.
The nigga also talked about getting LL at 5'10 as well (JFL).

Expected more from a 2018cel.

Funny how you just keep reiterating the same “gotchas” over and over again, failing to meaningfully respond to any nuances I earnestly tried to elab on. Debate truly is pointless.

Think what you want dude. Not trying to start any beef. I just wanted to share my experiences to the forum. As you can see here, I’m actively moving forward with my ascension plans:

https://looksmax.org/threads/wisdom-teeth-extraction-scheduled-for-january.1239739/

@Foreverbrad Any tips on smoothing over wisdom teeth extraction recovery? I believe you mentioned you dealt with some post-op complications, hoping I can avoid that if at all possible

 

[zemult]

Funny how you just keep reiterating the same “gotchas” over and over again, failing to meaningfully respond to any nuances I earnestly tried to elab on. Debate truly is pointless.

Think what you want dude. Not trying to start any beef. I just wanted to share my experiences to the forum. As you can see here, I’m actively moving forward with my ascension plans:

https://looksmax.org/threads/wisdom-teeth-extraction-scheduled-for-january.1239739/

@Foreverbrad Any tips on smoothing over wisdom teeth extraction recovery? I believe you mentioned you dealt with some post-op complications, hoping I can avoid that if at all possible

I have already responded to everything JFL.

You've still yet to show me your "nasolabial folds" (which most of the time aren't even caused by recession by the way).

 

[Acquiescence]

I have already responded to everything JFL.

You've still yet to show me your "nasolabial folds" (which most of the time aren't even caused by recession by the way).

Look bro, we both said what we wanted to about this shit and obviously still disagree, so let’s just leave it at that - especially since we actually both ultimately agree on the big stuff (accepting one’s lot in life and moving forward, what my main failos are, OBO being priority number one, etc).

I didn’t even expect this thread to get much of any replies at all tbh, if I knew people were gonna dogpile on my cyclops-ism and dogshit jawline I would’ve made an OBO and bimax disclaimer in the op jfl

Just know that I’m actively saving up for these surgeries as best I can. I’ll even make it a point to tag you when I finally have OR footage and before/afters to post, if you want

 

[zemult]

Look bro, we both said what we wanted to about this shit and obviously still disagree, so let’s just leave it at that - especially since we actually both ultimately agree on the big stuff (accepting one’s lot in life and moving forward, what my main failos are, OBO being priority number one, etc).

I didn’t even expect this thread to get much of any replies at all tbh, if I knew people were gonna dogpile on my cyclops-ism and dogshit jawline I would’ve made an OBO and bimax disclaimer in the op jfl

Just know that I’m actively saving up for these surgeries as best I can. I’ll even make it a point to tag you when I finally have OR footage and before/afters to post, if you want

All I'm trying to say is this:

I know your case is unfortunate, like mine and a lot of others on here. But your "nasolabial folds" aren't a problem right now (it's entirely in your head), and 5'10 is not a bad height to warrant LL.

Focus on the real problems, it'll save you a lot of mental stress. I wish you the best in your hardmaxxing journey.