Its easier to accept that you are an incel than trying to fight it imo.

[Geoff2024]

As the title states, for us subhumans, it's better to acknowledge that we are just never gonna experience the casual nt lifestyle. Some of us might get lucky but for the most part we will romantically rot and there is nothing to do about it. My base is too subhuman to ascend with and I will mostly ascend to mtn(who knows might be worth it)

 

[Geoff2024]

 

[the BULL]

oofie doofie max

 

[slayerToBe]

 

[Dr. Bludy]

Over

 

[Geoff2024]

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I am not a retard, aint gonna kill innocents for my misfortune

 

[Geoff2024]

Over

yeah ig. atleast i am not in a third world country and earn good money

 

[thecel]

we are just never gonna experience the casual nt lifestyle.

I stick up the middle finger at this sentence and choose to transmax. I’ll get the NT lifestyle one way or another.

The thecel motto = “Get laid today or find another way.”

 

[Deleted member 4444]

I am not a retard, aint gonna kill innocents for my misfortune

cuck

 

[Deleted member 26092]

I stick up the middle finger at this sentence and choose to transmax. I’ll get the NT lifestyle one way or another.

The thecel motto = “Get laid today or find another way.”

Gringo I saw your threads which show the DM‘s with your so called female "friend".
If that is true, the girl literally wants you.
Stop that tranny globohomo shit, it‘s not even over for you.

 

[thecel]

Gringo I saw your threads which show the DM‘s with your so called female "friend".
If that is true, the girl literally wants you.
Stop that tranny globohomo shit, it‘s not even over for you.

It is over for me. Tho not in the way you might think. It’s over for me because male puberty fucked me over so I’ll never pass as female without copious amounts of surgeries and even then I may fail to pass.

I want to transition, and a potential relationship with her is preventing me from transitioning. I have to keep on going to the gym and behaving like a male and doing so much shit for her to not stop liking me. While I’d rather be the opposite gender the whole time.

I just want to ascend. Get my 1st relationship. Have sex for the 1st time. Once I check these things off the list, then I’ll go ahead and transition.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

It’s the literal other way. I want to transition, and a potential relationship with her is preventing me from transitioning. I have to keep on going to the gym and behaving like a male and doing so much shit for her to not stop liking me. While I’d rather be the opposite gender the whole time.

Yeah your subconsciousness is maybe telling you that being a normal male who has a relationship and is heterosexual is priority and in fact "normal" (jfl that I even have to say this)
Or else you wouldn‘t prioritize this over becoming a tranny.

just want to ascend. Get my 1st relationship. Have sex for the 1st time. Once I check these things off the list, then I’ll go ahead and transition

for the sake of whom?
This sounds you‘re doing it for the reason to please someone or something, and do it for the reason of "getting it done and off your shoulders".
Trust me you don‘t have have any of this so called "gender-dysphoria" (which was coined and retranslated by a Jewish doctor in the 50‘s).
Especially since you doubt yourself and even still make the attempt to go the gym etc.

 

[wollet2]

you should have already moved on and trying to make money or ldar max with food

stop making shit posts

 

[thecel]

Yeah your subconsciousness is maybe telling you that being a normal male with male who has a relationship and is heterosexual is priority and in fact "normal" (jfl that I even have to say this)
Or else you wouldn‘t prioritize this over becoming a tranny.

for the sake of whom?
This sounds you‘re doing it for the reason to please someone or something, and do it for the reason of "getting it done and off your shoulders".
Trust me you don‘t have have any of this so called "gender-dysphoria" (which was coined and retranslated by Jewish doctor in the 50‘s).
Especially since you doubt yourself and even still make the attempt to go the gym etc.

I definitely have gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria affects almost every part of every day.

I explain why I’m trying to get laid as a male before transition here:

Why I Haven’t Gone Trans Yet (Blackpilled)

Here’s the real reason I’m not transitioning yet. Long story short: if I transition now, I’ll remain a sexless virgin at least 5 years from now. I want to get laid before I begin the journey to womanhood. Transitioning takes a fucking long time. I want to get laid with my crush ASAP. I’ll go...

looksmax.org

 

[Geoff2024]

you should have already moved on and trying to make money or ldar max with food

stop making shit posts

nigga obviously i am on my bread making grind, i am just explaining to the fellow average males/ subhumans what to do in order to avoid cooking their brains man.

 

[Geoff2024]

I stick up the middle finger at this sentence and choose to transmax. I’ll get the NT lifestyle one way or another.

The thecel motto = “Get laid today or find another way.”

i like the nt idea but not letting niggas stick a cuck in me

 

[Deleted member 24940]

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[Deleted member 26092]

I definitely have gender dysphoria.

How so?
I don‘t see you emitting any signs of this made up bs.
Also you act and write typically male, even if it‘s a reserved and calmer style of writing it still reads as male.

I explain why I’m trying to get laid as a male before transition here:

just read it and it doesn‘t even make half as sense.
See, if you have unironically had gender dysphoria you would begin asap with the transition as each day your body begins to masculinize itself more permanently.
And with age Estrogen becomes less effective in changing secondary sex characteristics, as they‘re already permanently set and stuff like growth plates and voice have already closed and stretched themselves.
So if you‘re really gender dysphoric but wait until you get laid and had a relationship, (which both could take several years), you would inevitably masculinize more and more thus making the goal for "passing" and finding a "normal partner" harder.
So since you‘re now prioritizing in getting into a heterosexual relationship as normal male, over "transitioning" early and reaping the "benefits" (how you call it) of transitioning early I can see that as an subconscious decision to delay the transition as deep within you probably know it‘s wrong and degenerate.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

How so?
I don‘t see you emitting any signs of this made up bs.
Also you act and write typically male, even if it‘s a reserved and calmer style of writing it still reads as male.

just read it and it doesn‘t even make half as sense.
See, if you have unironically had gender dysphoria you would begin asap with the transition as each day your body begins to masculinize itself more permanently.
And with age Estrogen becomes less effective in changing secondary sex characteristics, as they‘re already permanently set and stuff like growth plates and voice have already closed and stretched themselves.
So if you‘re really gender dysphoric but wait until you get laid and had a relationship, (which both could take several years), you would inevitably masculinize more and more thus making the goal for "passing" and finding a "normal partner" harder.
So since you‘re now prioritizing in getting into a heterosexual relationship as normal male, over "transitioning" early and reaping the "benefits" (how you call it) of transitioning early I can see that as an subconscious decision to delay the transition as deep within you probably know it‘s wrong and degenerate.

Added something to the last paragraph, probably the most important message of all this.

 

[romanstock]

i agree. this was my life lesson. now i rot content.

 

[thecel]

How so?
I don‘t see you emitting any signs of this made up bs.
Also you act and write typically male, even if it‘s a reserved and calmer style of writing it still reads as male.

just read it and it doesn‘t even make half as sense.
See if you have unironically had gender dysphoria you would begin asap with the transition as each day your body begins to masculinize itself more permanently.
And with age Estrogen becomes less effective in changing secondary sex characteristics, as they‘re already permanently set and stuff like growth plates and voice have already closed and stretched themselves.
So if you‘re really gender dysphoric but wait until you get laid and had a relationship, (which both could take several years), you would inevitably masculinize more and make the goal for "passing" and finding a "normal partner" harder.

The reason I’m not too concerned with further masculinization is that it’s ALREADY OVER for me. It also means there’s no hope for me to get more feminine at the skeletal level. My growth plates are closed, so my hips won’t grow wider. My shoulders have already grown wide from male puberty. I’m way past the age of hope.

I’m preparing for the transition while pursuing my crush romantically. I’m letting my hair grow long. I’m training my lower body in the gym. I’m cutting body fat not only to be more attractive to the girl but also to weight-cycle (lose weight and then gain it back when on HRT in order to redistribute weight to feminine areas).

 

[thecel]

So since you‘re now prioritizing in getting into a heterosexual relationship as normal male, over "transitioning" early and reaping the "benefits" (how you call it) of transitioning early I can see that as an subconscious decision to delay the transition as deep within you probably know it‘s wrong and degenerate.

An important point is that priority doesn’t always correspond with time order. I.e. a high priority thing isn’t always done before a low priority thing.

Example: Someone is knocking on your door, and as you make your way to the front door, you drop your phone on the floor. What’s more important? Having your phone in your pocket, or answering the person knocking? It’s the latter. But you’d probably pick your phone up before you open the door, even though it’s less important, and you can easily pick up your phone after answering the door.

Transitioning has a higher priority than getting laid. Doesn’t mean it has to happen 1st.

 

[thecel]

deep within you probably know it‘s wrong and degenerate.

Having a male body, living as a man, and being treated as a man, feel completely wrong to me.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

The reason I’m not too concerned with further masculinization is that it’s ALREADY OVER for me. It also means there’s no hope for me to get more feminine at the skeletal level. My growth plates are closed, so my hips won’t grow wider. My shoulders have already grown wide from male puberty. I’m way past the age of hope.

How old are you?
Also your shoulders still widen and bones will still harden as you get older, male‘s enter something like a second puberty in the mid 20’s where everything matures and the bone begins to fill in.

I’m preparing for the transition while pursuing my crush romantically. I’m letting my hair grow long. I’m training my lower body in the gym. I’m cutting body fat not only to be more attractive to the girl but also to weight-cycle (lose weight and then gain it back when on HRT in order to redistribute weight to feminine areas).

you know that relationship won‘t last right?
If you‘re pursuing her "romantically" and not just "sexually" then the relationship dynamic will probably tip over in her being the "dominant" or "leading one".
Also you‘re working out hours for nothing now when you could’ve just have done calisthenics.

An important point is that priority doesn’t always correspond with time order. I.e. a high priority thing isn’t always done before a low priority thing.

Example: Someone is knocking on your door, and as you make your way to the front door, you drop your phone on the floor. What’s more important? Having your phone in your pocket, or answering the person knocking? It’s the latter. But you’d probably pick your phone up before you open the door, even though it’s not really that important, and you can easily pick up your phone after answering the door.

That‘s kinda a false equivalence in your case.
As I‘ve said your body is still " masculinizing" even if your growth plates are fused.
And since you want to pass for sake of finding a "normal" heterosexual partner and reaping the "benefits of being a woman", doing the "high priority thing" is better done faster.
Non passing trannies (a majority of trans women) get treated worse than men, more like freaks.
Don‘t do this to yourself.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Having a male body, living as a man, and being treated as a man, feel completely wrong to me.

How so?
When did that start?

 

[thecel]

How old are you?

Won’t reveal, but I finished Tanner Stage 5 (the final stage of puberty).

Also your shoulders still widen and bones will still harden as you get older, male‘s enter something like a second puberty in the mid 20’s where everything matures and the bone begins to fill in.

I’m blackpilled and do not believe this bluepillery. There’s no hope for framelets. (Not that I want to be wider. Just saying that there’s basically zero growth potential after age 18–19ish. And for some subhumans, growth ceases as early as 16.)

you know that relationship won‘t last right?
If you‘re pursuing her "romantically" and just "sexually" then the relationship dynamic will probably tip over in her being the "dominant" or "leading one".

It won’t last if she’s straight, but what if she’s bi. I hope she is. Probably not, but I must lose my virginity before I come out to her, so if the relationship goes to shit in the future, at least I ascend.

Also you‘re working out hours for nothing now when you could’ve just have done calisthenics.

I’m lifting for calisthenics. Progression is faster with weights. Just lift weights to get strong enough to do handstand pushups, planches, front levers, etc. More efficient than trying to pike and archer your way to a frogstand tuck planche.

Furthermore, leg training is super inefficient with calisthenics. I don’t understand why you imply that calisthenics training takes less time than gym does. Leg training beyond the absolute beginner stage in calisthenics is almost all single-leg exercises, which means you take double the time.

And I strength train for the power lifts.

That‘s kinda a false equivalency in your case.
As I‘ve said your body is still " masculinizing" even if your growth plates are fused.
And since you want to pass for sake of finding a "normal" heterosexual partner and reaping the "benefits of being a woman", doing the "high priority thing" is better done faster.
Non passing trannies (a majority of trans women) get treated worse than men, more like freaks.
Don‘t do this to yourself.

Will transitioning a few months earlier make me pass, yet doing the same thing a bit later will make be unpassable? The difference isn’t so big.

Transitioning is an urgent, pressing issue. I want to reach my sexual and romantic goals as soon as possible so that I can start transitioning as soon as possible.

Also forgot to mention that I have no money and can’t afford to buy women’s clothes yet. I have no money for anything transition-related!

 

[Deleted member 14815]

Won’t reveal, but I finished Tanner Stage 5 (the final stage of puberty).


I’m blackpilled and do not believe this bluepillery. There’s no hope for framelets. (Not that I want to be wider. Just saying that there’s basically zero growth potential after age 19–20ish. And for some subhumans, growth ceases as early as 16.)


It won’t last if she’s straight, but what if she’s bi. I hope she is. Probably not, but I must lose my virginity before I come out to her, so if the relationship goes to shit in the future, at least I ascend.


I’m lifting for calisthenics. Progression is faster with weights. Just lift weights to get strong enough to do handstand pushups, planches, front levers, etc. More efficient than trying to pike and archer your way to a frogstand tuck planche.

Furthermore, leg training is super inefficient with calisthenics. I don’t understand why you imply that calisthenics training takes less time than gym does. Leg training beyond the absolute beginner stage in calisthenics is almost all single-leg exercises, which means you take double the time.



Will transitioning a few months earlier make me pass, yet doing the same thing a bit later will make be unpassable? The difference isn’t so big.

Transitioning is an urgent, pressing issue. I want to reach my sexual and romantic goals as soon as possible so that I can start transitioning as soon as possible.

Also forgot to mention that I have no money and can’t afford to buy women’s clothes yet. I have no money for anything transition-related!

Get a job bro

 

[thecel]

How so?

Feels uncomfortable, distressing, and depressing.

When did that start?

Fucking always!

 

[thecel]

Get a job bro

I can’t stop won’t stop rotting.

 

[Deleted member 14815]

I can’t stop won’t stop rotting.

I'm surprised your Chinese parents tolerate this dumbassery.

 

[thecel]

I'm surprised your Chinese parents tolerate this dumbassery.

They don’t

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Won’t reveal, but I finished Tanner Stage 5 (the final stage of puberty).

And masculinization happens way beyond that stage buddy.
Ears and nose even grow throughout your life.

I’m blackpilled and do not believe this bluepillery. There’s no hope for framelets. (Not that I want to be wider. Just saying that there’s basically zero growth potential after age 18–19ish. And for some subhumans, growth ceases as early as 16.)

not entirely.
Yeah maybe much is genetic and the basis of the growth is finished in late puberty.
But there‘s still many instances where the shoulders widen significantly well into the 20‘s.
Also through concentrated gymaxxing and using supplements or growth hormones (Vitamin D3 +K2, MK677) you can also widen your shoulders because it‘s unlikely that the growth plates in your shoulders close early.

It won’t last if she’s straight, but what if she’s bi. I hope she is. Probably not, but I must lose my virginity before I come out to her, so if the relationship goes to shit in the future, at least I ascend.

I‘ve read that the girl you‘ve been writing to was afraid by being "used“ by other men before as they just wanted her for her body.
But in your case what you‘re doing is even worse.
You‘re using her sexually and mentally in the relationship just for "getting it done", not for valuing her as a person and trying to build something serious with her plus making genuine memories.
Also chance that she is bi is small, if she didn‘t disclose it to you before.

I’m lifting for calisthenics. Progression is faster with weights. Just lift weights to get strong enough to do handstand pushups, planches, front levers, etc. More efficient than trying to pike and archer your way to a frogstand tuck planche.

Furthermore, leg training is super inefficient with calisthenics. I don’t understand why you imply that calisthenics training takes less time than gym does. Leg training beyond the absolute beginner stage in calisthenics is almost all single-leg exercises, which means you take double the time.

fine by me then.
If that‘s your goal.
But you‘re wasting your potential if you‘re just going to troon out eventually.

Will transitioning a few months earlier make me pass, yet doing the same thing a bit later will make be unpassable? The difference isn’t so big

no but what if this so called phase will take longer than you‘ve thought of?
What if the relationship persists for more years?

Transitioning is an urgent, pressing issue. I want to reach my sexual and romantic goals as soon as possible so that I can start transitioning as soon as possible.

you‘re gonna regret it anyway if you rush it like that and keep this mindset.
Might aswell pay a hooker to be your gf for a few days and take your virginity.

Also forgot to mention that I have no money and can’t afford to buy women’s clothes yet. I have no money for anything transition-related!

No, why should you wear women‘s clothes or accessories if you don‘t pass atleast 90% of the time?
If you‘re spotted as male you‘re seen as freak by majority of the population.
Only trannies that really "pass“ get to reap the full benefits, and even those are hated and shunned.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Fucking always!

Since your childhood days?
I‘m doubting that heavily.

Feels uncomfortable, distressing, and depressing

what exactly makes you feel like that?
Treatment by society?

 

[thecel]

What if the relationship persists for more years?

This is the best case scenario.

I‘ve read that the girl you‘ve been writing to was afraid by being "used“ by other men before as they just wanted her for her body.
But in your case what you‘re doing is even worse.
You‘re using her sexually and mentally in the relationship just for "getting it done", not for valuing her as a person and trying to build something serious with her plus making genuine memories.
Also chance that she is bi is small, if she didn‘t disclose it to you before.

I want to build a serious and (hopefully everlasting) loving relationship with her. The problem is that she probably isn’t bisexual. If she is, that’s the best thing ever. Because then we’ll be together forever (inb4 cope) and I’ll be a woman too.

No, why should you wear women‘s clothes or accessories if you don‘t pass atleast 90% of the time?

To feel better in private lol.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

This is the best case scenario

Yeah but if she‘s not bi and accepting of you tranny personality then your either stuck or ruin a relationship.
It‘s a lose-lose scenario.

want to build a serious and (hopefully everlasting) loving relationship with her. The problem is that she probably isn’t bisexual. If she is, that’s the best thing ever. Because then we’ll be together forever (inb4 cope) and I’ll be a woman too

It‘s cope because she probably wouldn‘t want to approve of that.
You‘re leading her and yourself into a trap.
I‘m telling you that‘s a relationship destined to to fail.

To feel better in private lol.

Unironically through this forum I found out what autogynepgilia is and why so many men have it.
Could it be that you have gotten this shit through porn overuse?
Perhaps you need a detox.

 

[thecel]

Since your childhood days?
I‘m doubting that heavily.

Keep doubtin bud.

what exactly makes you feel like that?
Treatment by society?

Yes as well as other things. Physical and social. Missing out on female friendship in childhood, adolescence, and now adulthood. Missing out on partying as a woman and feeling hot and desirable, having guys hit on me. Not getting to go to high school prom as girl wearing a dress. So many things. Everything sucks donkey balls. Speaking of balls, they suck, and I really wanna have a vagina. Why the damn Y chromosome bro why

 

[thecel]

Unironically through this forum I found out what autogynepgilia is and why so many men have it.
Could it be that you have gotten this shit through porn overuse?
Perhaps you need a detox.

Yup I was consuming porn as a little kid /s

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Keep doubtin bud.

I will.
I don‘t believe non-intersex people can get this condition naturally.

Yes as well as other things. Physical and social. Missing out on female friendship in childhood, adolescence, and now adulthood. Missing out on partying as a woman and feeling hot and desirable, having guys hit on me. Not getting to go to high school prom as girl wearing a dress. So many things. Everything sucks donkey balls. Speaking of balls, they suck, and I really wanna have a vagina. Why the damn Y chromosome bro why

Why do you hate being treated as male?
Why do you want to be hit on?
Unironically what benefits does this bring?
To me you sound like you just want the benefits of being a woman.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Yup I was consuming porn as a little kid /s

I‘m not saying that.
I‘m just saying that you could have developed autogynephilia through porn abuse.
Or a trauma in the past could have made you think you‘re "dysphoric“.
So now you‘re trooning out as a coping mechanism.

 

[thecel]

Why do you hate being treated as male?
Why do you want to be hit on?
Unironically what benefits does this bring?
To me you sound like you just want the benefits of being a woman.

Same way (I assume) you enjoy being masculine, tall, wide, dominant, etc. and dislike (for example) presenting and behaving femininely. You probably like having a dick and probably want it to be huge. Femininity is what I like. Vagina is what I wanna have between my legs. I want to grow boobs.

I‘m not saying that.
I‘m just saying that you could have developed autogynephilia through porn abuse.
Or a trauma in the past could have made you think you‘re "dysphoric“.
So now you‘re trooning out as a coping mechanism.

Unless you can un-trauma trans people into not being trans (no strong evidence this is possible) transition is still the solution.

 

[Geoff2024]

My face when my thread became a hot spot of discussion for transitioning and shit

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Same way (I assume) you enjoy being masculine, tall, wide, dominant, etc. and dislike (for example) presenting and behaving femininely. You probably like having a dick and probably want it to be huge. Femininity is what I like. Vagina is what I wanna have between my legs. I want to grow boobs.

Okay but when can you say to me when did that start?
I really doubt that those feelings appeared before a certain “incident".

Unless you can un-trauma trans people into not being trans (no strong evidence this is possible) transition is still the solution

Ah there it is.
Obviously a trauma case.
And no you can‘t "untrauma" a person, but you can help them come to terms with it and find healthy ways to cope and process it.
Letting a person succumb to their of delusions of what they think is the "right way" is not good.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

My face when my thread became a hot spot of discussion for transitioning and shit

I‘m trying to help this dude man.
For the sake of helping a soul, take that derailment of your thread with calmness.

 

[Deleted member 16275]

It is over for me. Tho not in the way you might think. It’s over for me because male puberty fucked me over so I’ll never pass as female without copious amounts of surgeries and even then I may fail to pass.

I want to transition, and a potential relationship with her is preventing me from transitioning. I have to keep on going to the gym and behaving like a male and doing so much shit for her to not stop liking me. While I’d rather be the opposite gender the whole time.

I just want to ascend. Get my 1st relationship. Have sex for the 1st time. Once I check these things off the list, then I’ll go ahead and transition.

I hate you

 

[Geoff2024]

@thecel i am sorry to say this but transitioning will not help with your dysphoria. you will always be treated like a freak in case you tranistion cause no matter how we flip it, you will not be a real woman like your inner self desires. and if you stay a male you will feel like you dont belong and like a freak on the inside.

 

[Geoff2024]

I‘m trying to help this dude man.
For the sake of helping a soul, take that derailment of your thread with calmness.

you are a good man nigga, not many users here would take the time of their day to write these long and articulate responses to help someone

 

[Deleted member 26092]

you are a good man nigga, not many users here would take the time of their day to write these long and articulate responses to help someone

Thanks I appreciate it.
I hope he can come to good sense and accept who he really is.

 

[thecel]

Ah there it is.
Obviously a trauma case.

I didn’t say I have trauma. I don’t remember any trauma. Who knows, what if trauma occurred when I was too young to remember shit? It’s possible. But not very probable.

Okay but when can you say to me when did that start?
I really doubt that those feelings appeared before a certain “incident".

The earliest trans memory I can recall happened when I was 4 or 5.

And no you can‘t "untrauma" a person, but you can help them come to terms with it and find healthy ways to cope and process it.
Letting a person succumb to their of delusions of what they think is the "right way" is not good.

Any blackpiller knows therapy is typically a scam and doesn’t work.

If you therapy a trans person into not transitioning, they’ll just live with a lower quality of life. Yeah they’ll “come to terms” with whatever the fuck, but that’s like dealing with feeling like shit. The alternative—transition—results in actually not feeling like shit. Seems way more effective to me.

 

[thecel]

Thanks I appreciate it.
I hope he can come to good sense and accept who he really is.

Pretty much every time this point is brought up, they don’t acknowledge that one’s brain (having a predisposition to desiring a female body and a feminine social role) is part of who they are.

Why should I accept the physical aspects of who I am yet reject the mental aspects of who I am?

 

[Htobrother]

As the title states, for us subhumans, it's better to acknowledge that we are just never gonna experience the casual nt lifestyle. Some of us might get lucky but for the most part we will romantically rot and there is nothing to do about it. My base is too subhuman to ascend with and I will mostly ascend to mtn(who knows might be worth it)

Im pretty ladiesman