it's impossible to give an accurate definition of whiteness and race

[wannacry]

all of those race battles on who's white and who is not begin cuz of one simple thing, there's no accurate definition of whiteness.
and it's impossible to give the accurate definition because whiteness is a property of a thing, it's not a substance/essence (the substance here is a human. that is, when we talk about whiteness, it is always a predicate whose subject is a human). It is impossible to give an accurate definition to any property because when we try to define whiteness in itself, we will not succeed, because it always exists in something else (in substance). in seems like whiteness is just a bunch of traits like having whiteness and long nose, but there's no such thing as an essence of whiteness

 

[wannacry]

@xzylecrey @Klasik616

 

[fr0st]

all of those race battles on who's white and who is not begin cuz of one simple thing, there's no accurate definition of whiteness.
and it's impossible to give the accurate definition because whiteness is a property of a thing, it's not a substance/essence (the substance here is a human. that is, when we talk about whiteness, it is always a predicate whose subject is a human). It is impossible to give an accurate definition to any property because when we try to define whiteness in itself, we will not succeed, because it always exists in something else (in substance). in seems like whiteness is just a bunch of traits like having whiteness and long nose, but there's no such thing as an essence of whiteness

its very simple. if you are a descendant from the Eurasian steppes or any nomadic indo European you are white.

 

[wannacry]

its very simple. if you are a descendant from the Eurasian steppes or any nomadic indo European you are white.

what makes indo europeans white?

 

[xzylecrey]

Was this inspired by the thread about interacial mixing

 

[Brazilec]

its very simple. if you are a descendant from the Eurasian steppes or any nomadic indo European you are white.

no lol ? im slavic i am not white
dont call me white id kill you irl for that

 

[fr0st]

what makes indo europeans white?

because they're the ancestors of all modern day europeans? that is quite literally what hitler based his idea of "ubermensch" on

 

[wannacry]

Was this inspired by the thread about interacial mixing

this and aristotle metaphysics from 7-9th book

 

[KT-34]

its very simple. if you are a descendant from the Eurasian steppes or any nomadic indo European you are white.

By this logic everyone is white except blacks, Asians and natives

 

[wannacry]

because they're the ancestors of all modern day europeans? that is quite literally what hitler based his idea of "ubermensch" on

still not an accurate definition, what if modern day european looks black even if he's a descendant of indo european?

 

[nsk4ll]

if u have 90%+ european ancestry ur european

 

[wannacry]

if u have 90%+ european ancestry ur european

if european=white then yeah

 

[fr0st]

no lol ? im slavic i am not white
dont call me white id kill you irl for that

you're a mutt.

 

[mohi_100]

This might help

 

[fr0st]

if european=white then yeah

Yes? european does infact equal to white.

 

[nsk4ll]

if european=white then yeah

thats pretty much it
its not complex

 

[Brazilec]

you're a mutt.


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yeah i am slavic monkey.
even with pale skin, blonde hair and blue eyes i am not european

if u lived in baltics u totally would understand why slavic people are not civilized and are not white, becasue of the massive contrast between white people ( baltics) and asian monkeys(slavics)

its almost same difference between white europeans and muslims .

 

[fr0st]

still not an accurate definition, what if modern day european looks black even if he's a descendant of indo european?

Give me a example of a european that looks black even though he is purely european.

 

[Eskorbutin]

You can, it's pretty easy and has been done by many philosophers and historians even psychoanalysts

 

[xzylecrey]

I mean a lot of people say your only white if you descend from x group. I think in modern context its just having european ancestry. Would not being pure make you not white.

 

[nsk4ll]

yeah i am slavic monkey.
even with pale skin, blonde hair and blue eyes i am not european

if u lived in baltics u totally would understand why slavic people are not civilized and are not white, becasue of the massive contrast between white people ( baltics) and asian monkeys(slavics)

its almost same difference between white europeans and muslims .

u guys look asian
ive seen lots of russians and almost all of u are blonde and blue eyed mongols

 

[lastofus123]

Whiteness have three categories and if you fulfill at least the first 2, it makes you european

-European or majority european genetics
-European Phenotype
-emulate european culture

This is the only way to define whos objectively white or not and also account for the white passing people outside of europe

 

[Brazilec]

u guys look asian
ive seen lots of russians and almost all of u are blonde and blue eyed mongols

im polish / belarussian ethnically tho. still the same thing i guess , but nobody from my family is from moscowia (ewww)

 

[wannacry]

Give me a example of a european that looks black even though he is purely european.

if there's no such examples it doesn't mean that it's not possible.
is a black looking guy with european ancestry white?

 

[fr0st]

By this logic everyone is white except blacks, Asians and natives

Yes?

 

[fr0st]

if there's no such examples it doesn't mean that it's not possible.
is a black looking guy with european ancestry white?

What constitutes a "black looking guy"

 

[fr0st]

if there's no such examples it doesn't mean that it's not possible.
is a black looking guy with european ancestry white?

this is such a retarded argument as well on mass the descendants of the original settlers of europe are white you are the type of person to look at a ball pit filled with red balls and say "well this doesnt prove the majority of the balls are red what if theres a blue ball at the bottom!"

 

[wannacry]

You can, it's pretty easy and has been done by many philosophers and historians even psychoanalysts

no you cannot and i just explained why
and yeah if there was an accurate definition then there wasn't any debate on it

 

[walee]

 

[wannacry]

I mean a lot of people say your only white if you descend from x group. I think in modern context its just having european ancestry. Would not being pure make you not white.

it's a continuum

Whiteness have three categories and if you fulfill at least the first 2, it makes you european

-European or majority european genetics
-European Phenotype
-emulate european culture

This is the only way to define whos objectively white or not and also account for the white passing people outside of europe

good way to define it but tbh some european phenos look mongol

 

[Eskorbutin]

no you cannot and i just explained why
and yeah if there was an accurate definition then there wasn't any debate on it

Easily encapsulated as an immanent historical construct

 

[wannacry]

this is such a retarded argument as well on mass the descendants of the original settlers of europe are white you are the type of person to look at a ball pit filled with red balls and say "well this doesnt prove the majority of the balls are red what if theres a blue ball at the bottom!"

"original europeans are white just because i said so, i wont explain why"

 

[wannacry]

Easily encapsulated as an immanent historical construct

social constructivism is implicit nominalism

 

[wannacry]

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what makes them white? and others non-white?

 

[fr0st]

"original europeans are white just because i said so, i wont explain why"

Dude what the fuck are you talking about are you being a contrarian psuedo intellectual on purpose or are you actually this retarded

Original Europeans are white because "white" is the description of fair skin tones that are indigenous to europe. you're obviously rage baiting because nobody is THIS stupid. now go to sleep your parents bought you christmas presents and you need to maximize your time on winter break before you go back to 9th grade.

 

[Futura]

If you look white you're white if you don't you're not

 

[harry12]

all of those race battles on who's white and who is not begin cuz of one simple thing, there's no accurate definition of whiteness.
and it's impossible to give the accurate definition because whiteness is a property of a thing, it's not a substance/essence (the substance here is a human. that is, when we talk about whiteness, it is always a predicate whose subject is a human). It is impossible to give an accurate definition to any property because when we try to define whiteness in itself, we will not succeed, because it always exists in something else (in substance). in seems like whiteness is just a bunch of traits like having whiteness and long nose, but there's no such thing as an essence of whiteness

I feel like it’s quite obvious if someone is white and if someone isn’t ? I’ve never had to question if someone was white before in my life cos it’s obvious, ofc some people aren’t Snow White and are more tanned etc but living in the uk I’ve never had to question if someone is white ngl

I have friends from all over Europe and they would all count themselves as white (Italian, Russian, etc)

My Nan is Maltese and has more olive skin than me so therefore appears darker but she’s still a white woman

 

[wannacry]

u guys look asian
ive seen lots of russians and almost all of u are blonde and blue eyed mongols

i think it's cuz of fetal alcohol syndrome rather than dna

 

[wannacry]

I feel like it’s quite obvious if someone is white and if someone isn’t ? I’ve never had to question if someone was white before in my life cos it’s obvious, ofc some people aren’t Snow White and are more tanned etc but living in the uk I’ve never had to question if someone is white ngl

I have friends from all over Europe and they would all count themselves as white (Italian, Russian, etc)

My Nan is Maltese and has more olive skin than me so therefore appears darker but she’s still a white woman

it could be obvious but when you try to give a definition, you fail

 

[Eskorbutin]

social constructivism is implicit nominalism

Yes, fair, we still need to imply it, but as I understand it my point still remains as you can still say someone is (not white) in real life

 

[nsk4ll]

i think it's cuz of fetal alcohol syndrome rather than dna

maybe idk

 

[harry12]

it could be obvious but when you try to give a definition, you fail

A definition of what though? Whether someone has olive skin or cooler undertones doesn’t change the fact that they are white especially if their family is all white, I guess if gets a bit tricky when talking about mixed people but

 

[wannacry]

Yes, fair, we still need to imply it, but as I understand it my point still remains as you can still say someone is (not white) in real life

you can say that someone is white or not but you can't give an accurate definition as whiteness (as such) because it's not a substance/essence. saying that someone is white isn't "whiteness as such", it's a "human with white skin/euopean".

 

[wannacry]

A definition of what though? Whether someone has olive skin or cooler undertones doesn’t change the fact that they are white especially if their family is all white, I guess if gets a bit tricky when talking about mixed people but

definition of whiteness. not definition of white human, different things

 

[Eskorbutin]

you can say that someone is white or not but you can't give an accurate definition as whiteness (as such) because it's not a substance/essence. saying that someone is white isn't "whiteness as such", it's a "human with white skin/euopean".

To me the concept of whiteness is broader and includes social, cultural, historical implications which you can use to define a series of conditions that allows you to define in a particular moment wether if a person is white or not. You could say then there's a "whiteness in-itself" in a way.

However if you talk exclusively in regards a set of traits to define a "white race" as we could define a dog race like "German shepherd" then I believe you still could, but then most of people considered white nowadays wouldn't. Overall, we wouldn't have the same idea of race.

 

[wannacry]

To me the concept of whiteness is broader and includes social, cultural, historical implications which you can use set a series of conditions that allows you to define in a particular moment wether if a person is white or not. You could say then there's a "whiteness in-itself" in a way.

However if you talk exclusively in regards a set of traits to define a "white race" as we could define a dog race like "German shepherd" then I believe you still could, but then most of people considered white nowadays wouldn't.

whiteness does not float in a vacuum. it's always whiteness of a particular human or group of ppl. and thus it's not a whiteness in itself and cannot be it, because white race doesn't exist without substance such as human

 

[Eskorbutin]

whiteness does not float in a vacuum. it's always whiteness of a particular human or group of ppl. and thus it's not a whiteness in itself and cannot be it, because white race doesn't exist without substance such as human

Well I can agree it's not a substance, but it's also not something arbitrary, it's mediated through us

 

[wannacry]

Well I can agree it's not a substance, but it's also not something arbitrary, it's mediated through us

that's what i'm saying

 

[reptiles]

its very simple. if you are a descendant from the Eurasian steppes or any nomadic indo European you are white.

Nah the Indo Europeans looked like sand nigger meat puppets your talking about modern whites remember it's just your core genes it's how much sexual selection those genes played think about it like this Indians are sub human however if for the next 500 years only the top 10 percent reproduce then the genes go up very quickly whites selected for sharp jaws and extreme height really what made them mog is very recent eugenics

 

[wannacry]

Nah the Indo Europeans looked like sand nigger meat puppets your talking about modern whites remember it's just your core genes it's how much sexual selection those genes played think about it like this Indians are sub human however if for the next 500 years only the top 10 percent reproduce then the genes go up very quickly whites selected for sharp jaws and extreme height really what made them mog is very recent eugenics

you sounded based until that eugenics bullshit. most whites are ugly