Its insane Prime Ottoman Empire was larger than Prime Rome

[Deleted member 18849]

No I'm not a "Turkfag". I'm Islamic & therefore I support those who are also.

Just support people judging by their fairy tale theory

 

[Deleted member 21532]

Mogged by Mongol Empire.

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K-pop pill strikes again. @stickyblickyhuh

Actually the othmans themselves were originally by in large mongols by themselves.

 

[Deleted member 15866]

@MRD @Hipcel btw you are coping. you fags didnt know how to use gunpowder and cannon effectively. you learned from us. we had a superior military industry. we made cannons that were used succesfully after 400 year.

we have the oldest military band in the world.

classical ottoman army had high level of organization.

I think its retarded to compare rome and ottoman empire. Rome had easier political condition so they advanced further easier.

everyone on its own but ottoman empire was a superpowe and the biggest threat to christian civilization.

I think ottoman empire progressed islamic civilization further too but because christian civilization is the dominant one today people underestimate it.

 

[Gonthar]

A big portion of that were vassal states, they paid tribute and supported the Empire, but weren't part of it...

 

[Deleted member 15866]

A big portion of that were vassal states, they paid tribute and supported the Empire, but weren't part of it...

vassal states have no authority in foreign policy

 

[TsarTsar444]

A big portion of that were vassal states, they paid tribute and supported the Empire, but weren't part of it...

Beat me to it, the Roman Empire dirrectly owned everyone on the map, while almosy half the territory of the Ottomans were vassals. Vassal status is very different. They had full internal automy while externally they didn't as in diplomacy.

The other thing thats actually more important then land area which is a huge meme, is population.

The Romans controlled 25% of the earth population at that time which is insane, the Ottomans controlled 5% at its peak, significantly smaller.

 

[incel194012940]

@MRD @Hipcel btw you are coping. you fags didnt know how to use gunpowder and cannon effectively. you learned from us. we had a superior military industry. we made cannons that were used succesfully after 400 year.

we have the oldest military band in the world.

classical ottoman army had high level of organization.

I think its retarded to compare rome and ottoman empire. Rome had easier political condition so they advanced further easier.

everyone on its own but ottoman empire was a superpowe and the biggest threat to christian civilization.

I think ottoman empire progressed islamic civilization further too but because christian civilization is the dominant one today people underestimate it.

Ottoman Empire as barbaric and uncivilized as hasburg and Africa empire

Ottoman Empire was illiterate and use sticks to build house

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Ottoman Empire as barbaric and uncivilized as hasburg and Africa empire

Ottoman Empire was illiterate and use sticks to build house

fag tell me your nationality. self hating hiding cuck.

 

[incel194012940]

fag tell me your nationality. self hating hiding cuck.

Italian

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Oh, NVM I realize where the confusion is. @ShortBrownandUgly isn't really from Pakistan. He's a black guy who lives in the west. His previous username was "Blackmannns" and his current username is that of another user who had deleted his account, that person was Persian.

Why are you trying to dox me?

I'm not even pure black

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Italian

Why are you trying to dox me?

I'm not even pure black

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Yeah but rome controlled that prime european golden horn pussy while ottomans had to cope with shithole deserts in asia

Ottoman/Arab/Crimean slave trade want a word with you. Millions of white Pussy was shipped to the ottomans and Central Asia every year as far away as Britain, Finland and Iceland slaves were taken for the BVLL harem. Turks Anatolian are white today due to all the white pussy they dominated

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Let's be honest,The Roman empire fought against a bunch of European barbarians and villagers. Prime Romans can't do shit against Turk's cavalries. Romans were heavily really on infantry meanwhile ottomans were heavily really on cavalries.

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Imagine using bow on the back of horse vs infanties jfl.

Romans beat scythians Parthians and Huns who use the same horse archer tactics. The Turks would be bullied by the romans or at the very least key at bay. The Mongols howerver…: well those guys were built different I dunno how the romans would handle them

 

[Deleted member 6128]

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Other way round

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Ottoman/Arab/Crimean slave trade want a word with you. Millions of white Pussy was shipped to the ottomans and Central Asia every year as far away as Britain, Finland and Iceland slaves were taken for the BVLL harem. Turks Anatolian are white today due to all the white pussy they dominated

no bro the society didnt get shit jfl. they were sultan only.

 

[Oberyn]

Romans beat scythians Parthians and Huns who use the same horse archer tactics. The Turks would be bullied by the romans or at the very least key at bay. The Mongols howerver…: well those guys were built different I dunno how the romans would handle them

lol half of the Mongol army was turk. and afaik Huns destroyed Romans many times and they were also Turkic.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

no bro the society didnt get shit jfl. they were sultan only.

Lol the rich niggas and merchants deffo were slamming white curry black and Arab pussy stop coping. Only Gook women were safe from such rape and that’s due to the Mongols

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Lol the rich niggas and merchants deffo were slamming white curry black and Arab pussy stop coping. Only Gook women were safe from such rape and that’s due to the Mongols

btw this is the current ottoman family.
they got bleached

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Why are you trying to dox me?

I'm not even pure black

Anyone can see your old username..

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Actually the othmans themselves were originally by in large mongols by themselves.

The Ottomans have Turkic and Anatolian origins but Turkic and Mongolic tribes were separate, even if they lived side by side.

 

[Mouthbreath]

Mogged by Mongol Empire.

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K-pop pill strikes again. @stickyblickyhuh

They are turning in their grave when they look at modern kpop "men"

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

btw this is the current ottoman family.
they got bleached
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Yeah Anatolian Turks are basically white. They are not real Turks they only share the culture and language now

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

They are turning in their grave when they look at modern kpop "men"

Koreans and Mongolians are different though, I was just making a joke. Mongols are still robust as ever.

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Yeah Anatolian Turks are basically white. They are not real Turks they only share the culture and language now

nah bro you coping you dont know what average turk looks like.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

nah bro you coping you dont know what average turk looks like.

Go to Central Asia you an @TRUE_CEL are coping hard central Asian Turks are real Turks

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

that western part that the ottomans are missing is the most accomplished region of the world (minus spain and south italy )

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Go to Central Asia you an @TRUE_CEL are coping hard central Asian Turks are real Turks

Central Asians are closer to the original Turkic peoples but the real original Turkic peoples already died out centuries ago by race-mixing hard.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Central Asians are closer to the original Turkic peoples but the real original Turkic peoples already died out centuries ago by race-mixing hard.

All Turks are racemixed they alwyas have been and it makes sense they are in Eurasia. But the first Turks looked more like gooks like central Asians do today. The non Turk groups in Central Asia to Anatolia were Scythian Aka indo-Iranic peoples like Parthian’s who got fucked by the Gokturks who looked mostly Gook

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

All Turks are racemixed they alwyas have been and it makes sense they are in Eurasia. But the first Turks looked more like gooks like central Asians do today. The non Turk groups in Central Asia to Anatolia were Scythian Aka indo-Iranic peoples like Parthian’s who got fucked by the Gokturks who looked mostly Gook

Not always. Originally they are East Asian. You even say that in your own post, directly contradicting the first sentence of your post.

 

[Deleted member 15866]

All Turks are racemixed they alwyas have been and it makes sense they are in Eurasia. But the first Turks looked more like gooks like central Asians do today. The non Turk groups in Central Asia to Anatolia were Scythian Aka indo-Iranic peoples like Parthian’s who got fucked by the Gokturks who looked mostly Gook

Not always. Originally they are East Asian. You even say that in your own post, directly contradicting the first sentence of your post.

How do you guys know that much shit about other races

I am turk myself and i dont know a single thing before the seljuk empire.

 

[Deleted member 22063]

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if you don't find impressive that making blacksea,east mediterrian and redsea basically ottoman lake , you re coping.

those places are al desert or steppe shitholes

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

How do you guys know that much shit about other races

I am turk myself and i dont know a single thing before the seljuk empire.

Because my oneitis likes Turks.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How do you guys know that much shit about other races

I am turk myself and i dont know a single thing before the seljuk empire.

Cos I’m your Lord

Your a Turk but your mostly European and Arab like most Turks in Turkey

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

Cos I’m your Lord

Your a Turk but your mostly European and Arab like most Turks in Turkey

His Lord isn't a black dude LARPing as white from the UK.

 

[Oberyn]

those places are al desert or steppe shitholes

legit 30 iq ngl.

Alexander the great was an idiot that's why he conquered east instead of west.

muh forest nigga thinks Nordic countries were the best places to live in history.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

His Lord isn't a black dude LARPing as white from the UK.

Lmfao @Oberyn look at this mad cunt he still thinks ima Nigger lmfao. @Tallooksmaxxer i am your lord brah I’m an honorary Turk I defend your people on YouTube from balkaners

 

[Deleted member 15866]

look at this mad cunt he still thinks ima Nigger lmfao

 

[Deleted member 22063]

legit 30 iq ngl.

Alexander the great was an idiot that's why he conquered east instead of west.
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muh forest nigga thinks Nordic countries were the best places to live in history.

the places the ottomans conquered that the romans didnt were all desert shitholes like around the red sea or into the sahara noob or the ukrainian steppes

by the ottoman's time the economic weight of the mediterenean had shifted well to the west and away from the east and northern africa. in roman times western europe was indeed a sparsely populated shithole.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

only self hating white sucker kemalists

Retard. The Ottoman administration at the time, were going to sell out their entire nation to the British and French governments who would divide it into their own spheres of influence if they could. Just to maintain any semblance of power in the northern regions. The only thing that stopped picrel from occuring was Mustafa Kemal and the Young Turks. The fact that you call those who fought for their country self hating is a joke.

only low iq libtard ones.

Lmao at trying to make it seem as they're a minority. Do you live in Turkey or have you even ever been there? They have statues and paintings of Ataturk on every street corner.

The thing about Muslims from elsewhere still romanticize the times of Suleiman and Mehmet from 400 years ago when the late Ottomans were a corrupt shithole.

 

[Deleted member 15866]

Retard. The Ottoman administration at the time. was going to sell out their entire nation to the British and French governments, and divide it into their own spheres of influence, . The only thing that stopped that was Mustafa Kemal and the Young Turks. The fact that you call those who fought for their country self hating is a joke and a half.

sultan was a joke at the late period of empire.
it was the party fags who ruined empire because muh nationalism.

Lmao at trying to make it seem as they're a minority. Do you live in turkey or have you ever been there? They have statues and paintings of Ataturk on every street corner.

most turks are retard dead srs. they think you can be a kemalist and ottomanist or islamist at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

Beat me to it, the Roman Empire dirrectly owned everyone on the map, while almosy half the territory of the Ottomans were vassals. Vassal status is very different. They had full internal automy while externally they didn't as in diplomacy.

The other thing thats actually more important then land area which is a huge meme, is population.

The Romans controlled 25% of the earth population at that time which is insane, the Ottomans controlled 5% at its peak, significantly smaller.

Population compared to the rest of the world at the time doesn't matter when the rest of the world was mostly tribal shitholes aside from Asia.
Romans also made wide usage of vassalage you just don't hear about it often.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

sultan was a joke at the late period of empire.
it was the party fags who ruined empire because muh nationalism.

Nah, the Sultan was a joke even before the Young Turks revolted, it was mostly the viziers who ran the show.

most turks are retard dead srs. they think you can be a kemalist and ottomanist or islamist at the same time.

I've never witnessed this occurring ngl but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

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I am a Suileman KHAN, am the son of Sultan Selim KHAN and grandson of Sultan Beyazid Khan.

YOU, Francis, are the king of the land of France.

Ngl Napoleon was kind of a bitch nigga for breaking up such a long standing alliance.

I think the difference is that the Romans actually BUILT civilization. You know - as in advanced human ingenuity through architecture, drainage, infrastructure, trading and the like. They existed during different time durations. There might be a sun in a distant galaxy with a planet around it which we could settle on as an alternative home in 10,000 years - like Earth 2 - BUT the fact is THIS PLANET AND SUN HERE are the original start of humanity even if Earth 2 in 10,000 is bound to be far more advanced. Romans changed the world.

Here's how I look at it: The romans vs the ottomons is like: The wright brothers starting flight/aeroplane travel and the 9/11 hijackers shouting allah-snackbar when pummelling the trade centre towers. One was used for building the world and furthering humanity. The other was some nutjobs using already built and mastered forms of miltiary formations, weaponry, techniques, farming etc in order to enslave humanity because some sky wizard wants some virgins.

The fact you think Ottomans didn't have to develop civilization in order to go toe to toe with the empires at the time is retarded ngl. Mongols were different because the Chinese were weakened at the time so they could just spam horse archers. They developed many scientific and technological advances when they were at their peak. They did fall off later though.

Prime Roman Empire would crush that Turk joke, stop coping kids

Delusional. Romans would shit themselves if they saw a cannon.

 

[Deleted member 15866]

I've never witnessed this occurring ngl but I'll take your word for it.

no its very true. of course there are hardcore islamist/ottomanist/kemalists too but the average normie here is mix of moderate-harcore kemalism and romantic islamism.

 

[Oberyn]

Retard. The Ottoman administration at the time, were going to sell out their entire nation to the British and French governments who would divide it into their own spheres of influence if they could. Just to maintain any semblance of power in the northern regions. The only thing that stopped picrel from occuring was Mustafa Kemal and the Young Turks. The fact that you call those who fought for their country self hating is a joke.

Lmao at trying to make it seem as they're a minority. Do you live in Turkey or have you even ever been there? They have statues and paintings of Ataturk on every street corner.

The thing about Muslims from elsewhere still romanticize the times of Suleiman and Mehmet from 400 years ago when the late Ottomans were a corrupt shithole.

sence turkiye'ye hic gelmis miyimdir moruk? Kucuk bir azinlik veya buyuk bir azinlik diye bahsetmiyorum tum liberallerin amk. isterse 40milyon isterse 1milyon olsun

 

[Deleted member 14262]

no its very true. of course there are hardcore islamist/ottomanist/kemalists too but the average normie here is mix of moderate-harcore kemalism and romantic islamism.

I don't think the idea is contradictory ngl. It makes sense to hold nostalgia for the Ottomans at their peak in the 1600s whilst also despising them for allowing them to fall off so hard without making any good effort to reform.

 

[Deleted member 14262]

I don't think the idea is contradictory ngl. It makes sense to hold nostalgia for the Ottomans at their peak in the 1600s whilst also despising them for allowing them to fall off so hard without making any good effort to reform.

@Tallooksmaxxer why?

 

[Deleted member 15866]

I don't think the idea is contradictory ngl. It makes sense to hold nostalgia for the Ottomans at their peak in the 1600s whilst also despising them for allowing them to fall off so hard without making any good effort to reform.

you need money for shits like this. ottomans couldnt catch up with the european economies because they werent industrialized and they didnt have colonies.
there was no nobelity in ottoman empire, so there was no concentrated capital, so no investment for new things.
i still think things could have been far more better if we won ww1.

 

[dirtydorito]

incel trait #53: being a history nerd

aka, everyone itt

 

[Deleted member 14262]

you need money for shits like this. ottomans couldnt catch up with the european economies because they werent industrialized and they didnt have colonies.
there was no nobelity in ottoman empire, so there was no concentrated capital, so no investment for new things.
i still think things could have been far more better if we won ww1.

They could have industrialized. They had a chance during the American civil war when they could sell cotton to the rest Europe since American markets were no longer available. They could have also undergone a civil war to restore the Sultans power I think.