It's so funny how the entirety of materialist dogma and atheist normie perception of reality/death/afterlife can be debunked by this one question

[neurosis]

how does nothing turn into something?

 

[Abdullahm06]

how does nothing turn into something?

this question is the reason i believe in religion. as crazy as it sounds that theres a God in the sky whos omnipresent and theres a devil and angels, it still makes more sense than the big bang theory

 

[ihatereddit]

Ok but god is evil if hes real

 

[neurosis]

this question is the reason i believe in religion. as crazy as it sounds that theres a God in the sky whos omnipresent and theres a devil and angels, it still makes more sense than the big bang theory

religion is even worse than atheist materialism.

i feel like what youre supposed to do once you've graduated from atheism (ideally also religion) is to navigate reality through your own imagination and intuitive models that can really only make sense/be justified by you and no one else

 

[neurosis]

Ok but god is evil if hes real

i mean this in the most literal, least hippie freak schizo, way possible. but all of consciousness (including you), is god. nothing is evil and everything is justified

 

[Сигма Бой]

God dindu nuffin

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

nothing turns to nothing, we are nothing. we are, and we can only be and go. There is no life, there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

 

[Сигма Бой]

religion is even worse than atheist materialism.

i feel like what youre supposed to do once you've graduated from atheism (ideally also religion) is to navigate reality through your own imagination and intuitive models that can really only make sense/be justified by you and no one else

FLAT AERPH PROVES GOD!!!

 

[Сигма Бой]

nothing turns to nothing, we are nothing. we are, and we can only be and go. There is no life, there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

Holy nu aitch

 

[neurosis]

there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

ok but whos doing the dreaming whos thoughts are they

schizo parable riddles like this are fun but approaching topics like these with a rationalist mindset mogs

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

ok but whos doing the dreaming whos thoughts are they

schizo parable riddles like this are fun but approaching topics like these with a rationalist mindset mogs

dream /drēm/

noun​

1. A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.
2. A daydream; a reverie.
3. A state of abstraction; a trance.
   "wandering around in a dream."

 

[ropemax]

you're a normie too. you don't understand what you're talking about. If and when you become more educated on this subject you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

 

[neurosis]

If and when you become more educated on this subject

ok then, educate me. or point me towards something (book, yt channel, podcast) whatever that could do the educating

you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

so nothing turning into something is possible? how so?

 

[abcd]

i mean this in the most literal, least hippie freak schizo, way possible. but all of consciousness (including you), is god. nothing is evil and everything is justified

Why is lil kids getting cancer and shit like that justified

 

[neurosis]

Why is lil kids getting cancer and shit like that justified

as crude as it sounds; because it happened

 

[ropemax]

ok then, educate me. or point me towards something (book, yt channel, podcast) whatever that could do the educating

books youtube and podcasts is not appropriate education. education means rearing. your mind can only take you so far. there comes a time when you have to rear your spirit and then soul to understand. otherwise you're just an academic who argues about things he's never touched.

 

[Clqs]

how does nothing turn into something?

Where did you even get that from?

One Google search btw: The Big Bang describes the expansion of the universe, but it doesn't explain what existed before the expansion or what the initial conditions were. It's a theory about the universe's evolution, not its ultimate origin

 

[neurosis]

there comes a time when you have to rear your spirit and then soul to understand

and how does one do that

 

[neurosis]

Where did you even get that from?

idk, basic logic - think of the concept in terms of words instead of material substance (ie the big bang, universe)

something = anything (you, for example)
nothing = absence of something

the principle of nothing turning into something (not saying it's not possible) supersedes all logic/determinism

 

[Klasik616]

Flawed invalid question that doesn't make any sense.

 

[ropemax]

and how does one do that

you need to pray for a teacher. You will never find the path on your own.

 

[neurosis]

you need to pray for a teacher. You will never find the path on your own.

would taking 35mg of 5-meo-dmt and transporting my consciousness to the tall mantis being realm where they teach wondering souls suffice?

 

[neurosis]

Flawed invalid question that doesn't make any sense.

thats the point of the question. if it made sense then materialism would be entirely correct

 

[Klasik616]

thats the point of the question. if it made sense then materialism would be entirely correct

Materialism is only found on logic, your question is logically flawed. The basic proposal of materialism is that every historic event is a consequence of the past and there's no such thing as spirits or miracles happening around to change things right out of the sudden (spiritualism).

 

[neurosis]

Materialism is only found on logic, your question is logically flawed. The basic proposal of materialism is that every historic event is a consequence of the past and there's no such thing as spirits or miracles happening around to change things right out of the sudden (spiritualism).

yeah the question is supposed to be anti-logic. idk what this argument is

 

[autistic_tendencies]

you're a normie too. you don't understand what you're talking about. If and when you become more educated on this subject you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

That’s alchemy bro

 

[ropemax]

That’s alchemy bro

iykyk. I don't like being direct about this stuff because there are many sketchy people on here

 

[neurosis]

That’s alchemy bro

alchemy is lowkey legit tho

 

[neurosis]

iykyk. I don't like being direct about this stuff because there are many sketchy people on here

its not that deep and i highly highly doubt youve discovered anything worthwhile

 

[ropemax]

its not that deep and i highly highly doubt youve discovered anything worthwhile

cool. wish you the best on your journey.

 

[neurosis]

cool. wish you the best on your journey.

if you know you know what? my intuition is telling me that youre fawning wisdom and full of shit tbh

i genuinely have no idea why people do this. is it to seem cool? like youre in a secret club? who are you trying to impress, incels on an incel forum?

 

[ropemax]

if you know you know what? my intuition is telling me that youre fawning wisdom and full of shit tbh

i genuinely have no idea why people do this? is it to seem cool? like youre in a secret club? cool to who/what lol

my intuition is telling me you shit higher than your ass. I can tell you've read a couple books and think you know it all, meanwhile you've never had any formal occult training nor access to a lineage older than your dog. I was predicting the date of the ukraine war on this forum with astrology before you graduated high school, but obviously i'm the fake here.

And yes, there are in fact "secret clubs" passing on secret doctrines, which you're not a part of! Big surprise. You're not privy nor entitled to all information under the sun despite what the internet might have made you believe.

 

[greycel]

But isn't that symmetrically true for the reverse too?
If nothing can turn into something, why can't something turn into nothing?
How can you say with certainty that when you cross into the state of existence (or out of inexistence), you'll forever be within it?

So how can you criticise an Athiest's view on the afterlife

 

[neurosis]

my intuition is telling me you shit higher than your ass. I can tell you've read a couple books and think you know it all, meanwhile you've never had any formal occult training nor access to a lineage older than your dog. I was predicting the date of the ukraine war on this forum with astrology before you graduated high school, but obviously i'm the fake here.

And yes, there are in fact "secret clubs" passing on secret doctrines, which you're not a part of! Big surprise. You're not privy nor entitled to all information under the sun despite what the internet might have made you believe.

ffs i dont even know why i bother with this stuff

there's always a 'secret club'