It's so funny how the entirety of materialist dogma and atheist normie perception of reality/death/afterlife can be debunked by this one question

[Deleted member 137296]

how does nothing turn into something?

 

[Abdullahm06]

how does nothing turn into something?

this question is the reason i believe in religion. as crazy as it sounds that theres a God in the sky whos omnipresent and theres a devil and angels, it still makes more sense than the big bang theory

 

[ihatereddit]

Ok but god is evil if hes real

 

[Deleted member 137296]

this question is the reason i believe in religion. as crazy as it sounds that theres a God in the sky whos omnipresent and theres a devil and angels, it still makes more sense than the big bang theory

religion is even worse than atheist materialism.

i feel like what youre supposed to do once you've graduated from atheism (ideally also religion) is to navigate reality through your own imagination and intuitive models that can really only make sense/be justified by you and no one else

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Ok but god is evil if hes real

i mean this in the most literal, least hippie freak schizo, way possible. but all of consciousness (including you), is god. nothing is evil and everything is justified

 

[Сигма Бой]

God dindu nuffin

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

nothing turns to nothing, we are nothing. we are, and we can only be and go. There is no life, there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

 

[Сигма Бой]

religion is even worse than atheist materialism.

i feel like what youre supposed to do once you've graduated from atheism (ideally also religion) is to navigate reality through your own imagination and intuitive models that can really only make sense/be justified by you and no one else

FLAT AERPH PROVES GOD!!!

 

[Сигма Бой]

nothing turns to nothing, we are nothing. we are, and we can only be and go. There is no life, there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

Holy nu aitch

 

[Deleted member 137296]

there is only but a dream. We, are thoughts.

ok but whos doing the dreaming whos thoughts are they

schizo parable riddles like this are fun but approaching topics like these with a rationalist mindset mogs

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

ok but whos doing the dreaming whos thoughts are they

schizo parable riddles like this are fun but approaching topics like these with a rationalist mindset mogs

dream /drēm/

noun​

1. A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.
2. A daydream; a reverie.
3. A state of abstraction; a trance.
   "wandering around in a dream."

 

[ropemax]

you're a normie too. you don't understand what you're talking about. If and when you become more educated on this subject you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

If and when you become more educated on this subject

ok then, educate me. or point me towards something (book, yt channel, podcast) whatever that could do the educating

you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

so nothing turning into something is possible? how so?

 

[abcd]

i mean this in the most literal, least hippie freak schizo, way possible. but all of consciousness (including you), is god. nothing is evil and everything is justified

Why is lil kids getting cancer and shit like that justified

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Why is lil kids getting cancer and shit like that justified

as crude as it sounds; because it happened

 

[ropemax]

ok then, educate me. or point me towards something (book, yt channel, podcast) whatever that could do the educating

books youtube and podcasts is not appropriate education. education means rearing. your mind can only take you so far. there comes a time when you have to rear your spirit and then soul to understand. otherwise you're just an academic who argues about things he's never touched.

 

[Clqs]

how does nothing turn into something?

Where did you even get that from?

One Google search btw: The Big Bang describes the expansion of the universe, but it doesn't explain what existed before the expansion or what the initial conditions were. It's a theory about the universe's evolution, not its ultimate origin

 

[Deleted member 137296]

there comes a time when you have to rear your spirit and then soul to understand

and how does one do that

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Where did you even get that from?

idk, basic logic - think of the concept in terms of words instead of material substance (ie the big bang, universe)

something = anything (you, for example)
nothing = absence of something

the principle of nothing turning into something (not saying it's not possible) supersedes all logic/determinism

 

[Klasik616]

Flawed invalid question that doesn't make any sense.

 

[ropemax]

and how does one do that

you need to pray for a teacher. You will never find the path on your own.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

you need to pray for a teacher. You will never find the path on your own.

would taking 35mg of 5-meo-dmt and transporting my consciousness to the tall mantis being realm where they teach wondering souls suffice?

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Flawed invalid question that doesn't make any sense.

thats the point of the question. if it made sense then materialism would be entirely correct

 

[Klasik616]

thats the point of the question. if it made sense then materialism would be entirely correct

Materialism is only found on logic, your question is logically flawed. The basic proposal of materialism is that every historic event is a consequence of the past and there's no such thing as spirits or miracles happening around to change things right out of the sudden (spiritualism).

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Materialism is only found on logic, your question is logically flawed. The basic proposal of materialism is that every historic event is a consequence of the past and there's no such thing as spirits or miracles happening around to change things right out of the sudden (spiritualism).

yeah the question is supposed to be anti-logic. idk what this argument is

 

[autistic_tendencies]

you're a normie too. you don't understand what you're talking about. If and when you become more educated on this subject you'll see nothing turning into something is fundamental to every strain of mysticism throughout the world.

That’s alchemy bro

 

[ropemax]

That’s alchemy bro

iykyk. I don't like being direct about this stuff because there are many sketchy people on here

 

[Deleted member 137296]

That’s alchemy bro

alchemy is lowkey legit tho

 

[Deleted member 137296]

iykyk. I don't like being direct about this stuff because there are many sketchy people on here

its not that deep and i highly highly doubt youve discovered anything worthwhile

 

[ropemax]

its not that deep and i highly highly doubt youve discovered anything worthwhile

cool. wish you the best on your journey.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

cool. wish you the best on your journey.

if you know you know what? my intuition is telling me that youre fawning wisdom and full of shit tbh

i genuinely have no idea why people do this. is it to seem cool? like youre in a secret club? who are you trying to impress, incels on an incel forum?

 

[ropemax]

if you know you know what? my intuition is telling me that youre fawning wisdom and full of shit tbh

i genuinely have no idea why people do this? is it to seem cool? like youre in a secret club? cool to who/what lol

my intuition is telling me you shit higher than your ass. I can tell you've read a couple books and think you know it all, meanwhile you've never had any formal occult training nor access to a lineage older than your dog. I was predicting the date of the ukraine war on this forum with astrology before you graduated high school, but obviously i'm the fake here.

And yes, there are in fact "secret clubs" passing on secret doctrines, which you're not a part of! Big surprise. You're not privy nor entitled to all information under the sun despite what the internet might have made you believe.

 

[greycel]

But isn't that symmetrically true for the reverse too?
If nothing can turn into something, why can't something turn into nothing?
How can you say with certainty that when you cross into the state of existence (or out of inexistence), you'll forever be within it?

So how can you criticise an Athiest's view on the afterlife

 

[Deleted member 137296]

my intuition is telling me you shit higher than your ass. I can tell you've read a couple books and think you know it all, meanwhile you've never had any formal occult training nor access to a lineage older than your dog. I was predicting the date of the ukraine war on this forum with astrology before you graduated high school, but obviously i'm the fake here.

And yes, there are in fact "secret clubs" passing on secret doctrines, which you're not a part of! Big surprise. You're not privy nor entitled to all information under the sun despite what the internet might have made you believe.

ffs i dont even know why i bother with this stuff

there's always a 'secret club'

 

[Deleted member 137296]

If nothing can turn into something, why can't something turn into nothing?

The nothing -> something, something -> nothing example in op is just an easy metaphor to bait people into stop thinking in terms of nothing/something. In theory something and nothing don't exist, they're just abstract human models and nothing more.

So how can you criticise an Athiest's view on the afterlife

If the athiest's view is that there is 'nothing' after death and your consciousness ceases to exist, the 'nothing -> something, something -> nothing' mechanism (which should eventually lead to an understanding that there's no such thing as something or nothing), completely rebukes the athiest notion of 'nothing' (what is implied as what happens when you die in athiest-verse) as nothing, is nothing (pun intended) more than an imaginary, fairy tale

 

[Deleted member 137296]

The nothing -> something, something -> nothing example in op is just an easy metaphor to bait people into stop thinking in terms of nothing/something. In theory something and nothing don't exist, they're just abstract human models and nothing more.

If the athiest's view is that there is 'nothing' after death and your consciousness ceases to exist, the 'nothing -> something, something -> nothing' mechanism (which should eventually lead to an understanding that there's no such thing as something or nothing), completely rebukes the athiest notion of 'nothing' (what is implied as what happens when you die in athiest-verse) as nothing, is nothing (pun intended) more than an imaginary, fairy tale

@Dirlewanger333 as a proclaimed nihilist, thoughts on this?

 

[LTNUser]

@Darkeningstar can answer this maybe

 

[Spamorzz]

how does nothing turn into something?

And they get absolutely smoked because they cant answer it too

 

[isis_Bleach]

therefore mohammed

 

[KYS RETARD COPERS]

Yeah they are too obsessed with man made soyience cope that they dont understand the basic nature of reality

 

[Deleted member 168787]

@Dirlewanger333 as a proclaimed nihilist, thoughts on this?

I am not a nihilist. I addressed this in my highest effort thread in this section:

Part II: Insanity

In this video, the person talks about the ‘mass delusion’ @

@cromagnon briefly mentioned in this thread the idea that humans, because they live virtually exclusively by abstraction, are living in a deluded state, whereas animals, supposedly since they don’t abstract ideas, are not deluded as we are. That all ideas are not above another, and so is the idea that hates the idea that all ideas are not above another.

I used to hate reasoning until I realized I hated reasoning until I realized I reasoned I used to hate reasoning until I realized I hated reasoning. The reason reasons are paradoxical in this manner is because reasons are created exclusively from signals then impulses then emotions then reason. First, the brain receives a signal, the brain conjures an impulse—but wait—impulses can contradict each other, so they brain somehow found a way to resolve these into emotions, then emotions conflict and begin reasoning. If you are inclined to believe the impulse was tangible then you are wrong because it had to abstract the signal into a form the brain could understand and so did the signal when the sense was converted into a signal. Therefore, you cannot hate reason because it’s intangible because everything it’s based on is untangible.

If you are to still be against reason, I want you to ask yourself this question: at what point do you say emotion is good and what point reason is bad? In any case you imagine, emotion alone will never benefit you more than reasoning based on emotion.

The point is that yes, all abstractions are intangible, but there is nothing that is tangible. The animal that @

@cromagnon conjured still abstracts as the human does, but they just abstract ideas less than humans. @

@cromagnon also claimed that humans are retarded because they become their lives to things that are intangible. For someone to be retarded, they must be worse in comparison, but the animals are just as retarded in this sense because animals also devote their lives to abstractions. Every moment you are alive, you pick abstractions which decide your action. It’s my belief that this is why Mitchell Heisman in his suicide note said the following:

“The following is an experiment in nihilism. Already I have contradicted myself! How can one believe in disbelief?

I might be a nihilist except that I don't believe in anything. If there is no extant God and no extant gods, no good and no evil, no right and no wrong, no meaning and no purpose; if there are no values that are inherently valuable; no justice that is ultimately justifiable; no reasoning that is fundamentally rational, then there is no sane way to choose between science, religion, racism, philosophy, nationalism, art, conservatism, nihilism, liberalism, surrealism, fascism, asceticism, egalitarianism, subjectivism, elitism, ismism.

If reason is incapable of deducing ultimate, nonarbitrary human ends, and nothing can be judged as ultimately more important than anything else, then freedom is equal to slavery; cruelty is equal to kindness; love is equal to hate; war is equal to peace; dignity is equal to contempt; destruction is equal to creation; life is equal to death and death is equal to life.”

I would also like to mention @

@Klasik616 ‘s reply to @

@disillusioned ‘s thread:

“Stop projecting bro”

There’s this commonly held belief that you can simply stop projecting. This is because Jung’s analogy of a projector implies that you can turn off projections just as you can turn off a projector. You can’t just “stop projecting”. You projected the comment, “Stop projecting bro”. True belief comes from conviction.

There is no collapse of reason or meaning because everything is forced into reasoning and valuing. There is no out of reason. Everything collapses into reason. You cannot die without meaning because you killed youself to lose meaning; therefore, God is alive. Your suicide had meaning even though you tried to escape it. I often like to hate moralfags (e.g @

@Orc, @

@Naticel) because they believe their morally transcendent until I remember that I also am not transcendent for not liking their supposed moral transcendenance until I realize this idea also isn’t transcendent. I have no transcendent ideology to form from anything in this thread.

TLDR

It’s epistemologically impossible to conceive and believe of nothing and no meaning because youre a subjective being who perceives. Reason is ultimately worthless without grounds in desire and desire is rooted by evolutionary and natural pressures

 

[greycel]

In theory something and nothing don't exist, they're just abstract human models and nothing more.

Abstraction couldn’t be influenced by causal change. It could only exist (pun intended) in a state devoid of spatial & temporal properties
Not to mention the irony involved with your own thought disproving its own existence

If the athiest's view is that there is 'nothing' after death and your consciousness ceases to exist, the 'nothing -> something, something -> nothing' mechanism (which should eventually lead to an understanding that there's no such thing as something or nothing), completely rebukes the athiest notion of 'nothing' (what is implied as what happens when you die in athiest-verse) as nothing, is nothing (pun intended) more than an imaginary, fairy tale

You’re conflating it. Athiests believe in absence of “something”. Good is absence of bad, dark is absence of light, death is absence of life.. a bubble within existence where consciousness no longer lives (pun intended). They don’t believe in presence of absolutely “nothing”

 

[Deleted member 137296]

I am not a nihilist. I addressed this in my highest effort thread in this section:

TLDR

It’s epistemologically impossible to conceive and believe of nothing and no meaning because youre a subjective being who perceives. Reason is ultimately worthless without grounds in desire and desire is rooted by evolutionary and natural pressures

sure but what's your stance on what happens after you die, this is assuming you're a complete materialist. as in does the subjective being who perceives, cease their perception (nothing, epistemologically impossible ik. but just entertain the hypothetical) completely or does the perception continue (afterlife)?

or are you one of those 'all models of death while a being is alive are illogical are the being isn't dead' kind of guys

 

[Deleted member 137296]

le post modernism, post truth pee pee poo french intellect crap

their axioms are wrong, ok pal. theyre just wrong.

You’re conflating it. Athiests believe in absence of “something”

They don’t believe in presence of absolutely “nothing”

If the absence of something cannot be nothing (they don't believe in the presence of absolutely "nothing"), then what is it if not 'something', something having no opposite -

Good is absence of bad, dark is absence of light, death is absence of life

- completely contradicts the idea that there can be an absence of something?

I still think the metaphor in op 'something -> nothing' works as a way to bait people who don't think consciousness / 'awareness' continues after you die, to think otherwise

 

[FlotPSL]

how does nothing turn into something?

and where does god come from

 

[Deleted member 137296]

and where does god come from

I'm not a theist who believes in an external 'god'

however, it's entirely possible for a god in this context to exist in a state where it doesn't have to 'come from' anything, it's just always existed and always will exist -> the idea of something (god) needing a cause and effect model to exist is ironically, illogical

 

[FlotPSL]

I'm not a theist who believes in an external 'god'

however, it's entirely possible for a god in this context to exist in a state where it doesn't have to 'come from' anything, it's just always existed and always will exist -> the idea of something (god) needing a cause and effect model to exist is ironically, illogical

So god doesnt need a reason to exist but the universe does?
Why is that

 

[Deleted member 137296]

So god doesnt need a reason to exist but the universe does?
Why is that

don't think I implied that the universe needs a reason to exist, if anything it's the opposite. god, not needing a reason to exist, means anything that's an extension of god (ie the universe in this case) also doesn't need a reason to exist.

all 'reasons' being descriptions of how something works, not why. the latter (why) not having an answer.

 

[FlotPSL]

don't think I implied that the universe needs a reason to exist, if anything it's the opposite. god, not needing a reason to exist, means anything that's an extension of god (ie the universe in this case) also doesn't need a reason to exist.

all 'reasons' being descriptions of how something works, not why. the latter (why) not having an answer.

Idk tbh
On one hand we do not know enough about the universes beginning and something coming from nothing seem irrational like you said
But this should also apply to god
Do u believe in free willl?

 

[Deleted member 137296]

On one hand we do not know enough about the universes beginning and something coming from nothing seem irrational like you said
But this should also apply to god

op is implying the universe could not have come from nothing, technically it must've always been 'something' or come from 'something' ad infinitum, like some forever-unfolding russian matryoshka doll

Do u believe in free willl?

Pretentious answer but I think reality and the mechanism for the choices we make during our lives supersede free will / determinism or a combination of both (compatibilism).

but i also think if you were to go back far enough, then the closest model would be absolute free will