I've been starvemaxxxing for 6 months lost 10kg and still no six pack PICS

[emeraldglass]

I've literally lost 10kg this time last year. I look less big but somehow I'm almost lifting as heavy as I was last year, despite now being 62kg and last year approx 73kg.

I've also gyminned instead of maxxxed. I used to go 6 times a week, now approx 2 times a week. 3500 calories a day before, now approx 2000, some days 1500. Slight change facially. But I get zero compliments on my body. My biceps and shoulders I feel look shite. I just look like a normies gymgoer, who puts no effort in. Maybe I should use roids... Either that or I need to bloatmaxx and look like shit in the face to look better body wise. Fuck this gay world. I wanna be 10% gymaxxed Arnold but it would take treating my body and lifestyle like a full time job.

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You still need to reduce some body fat, focus on gaining more muscle, and keep a close watch on your protein intake. Your current approach will lead to becoming skinny-fat. If you aim to simultaneously shed fat and build muscle, which is extremely hard and not ideal without the use of steroids, you should eat at maintenance calorie and follow a high-protein diet. Also, working out just twice a week isn't sufficient. It's recommended to train at least three times a week, with the optimal frequency being four to five times weekly.

 

[Deleted member 50012]

His flaw was skullcel. Being skullcel while being tall wide, takes away the intimidation factor. If he had good skull size, tbh i doubt he would be bullied. It was only verbal bullying btw, not physical. Physical i have seen mostly on framelet manlet in passive aggressive ways.

Yeah it's pretty much all genetics
A muscular guy will still be bullied if he's short
But a tall guy with a good frame naturally looks intimidating with going to the gym at all

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

You went too low on the calories

 

[SecularIslamist]

secular when u coming to tel aviv

Soon. I will larp as Hamas fighter just so I can be waterboarded and suffocated by female IDF soldier under interrogation

I can't wait for an IDF soldier to do this to me

 

[Deleted member 49341]

Soon. I will larp as Hamas fighter just so I can be waterboarded and suffocated by female IDF soldier under interrogation

I can't wait for an IDF soldier to do this to me

Bruhhh idf is taking control , while iran are just talking

 

[SecularIslamist]

Bruhhh idf is taking control , while iran are just talking

In Gaza, as expected. But what's the end goal? Fuck all, Hamas will reorganize end up more radical perhaps.

Broader point is if Hezbollqh and West Bank start uprising than shit hits the fan. Iran if invades than spells the end. However Americunts would get involved. Nobody fears IDF, they fear US/NATO retaliation military and economic.

 

[Deleted member 15164]

When you cut, take roughly enough protein in bodyweight for your macros so you can hold on to all the muscle you built in the gym while you lose weight

 

[Deleted member 49341]

In Gaza, as expected. But what's the end goal? Fuck all, Hamas will reorganize end up more radical perhaps.

Broader point is if Hezbollqh and West Bank start uprising than shit hits the fan. Iran if invades than spells the end. However Americunts would get involved. Nobody fears IDF, they fear US/NATO retaliation military and economic.

The end goal is to destroy the organziation

 

[SecularIslamist]

The end goal is to destroy the organziation

Just like 2008-2009 was, just like 2006 in Lebanon was. They'll be taught a 'lesson' at worst and reorganize in max 5 years. Otherwise keep occupying a territory where 100% of people hate you JFL.

 

[Deleted member 49341]

Just like 2008-2009 was, just like 2006 in Lebanon was. They'll be taught a 'lesson' at worst and reorganize in max 5 years. Otherwise keep occupying a territory where 100% of people hate you JFL.

Nah our president have so much pressure on his shoulders right now that backing down is not an option, he announced an all-in on hamas

 

[12PSLsubhuman]

My brother is that height and weighs 50kg
To be fair he's not an adult but still

He is 28...

 

[Deleted member 50012]

He is 28...

I was talking about my brother not being an adult

 

[12PSLsubhuman]

I was talking about my brother not being an adult

Oh fair enough

 

[12PSLsubhuman]

I've literally lost 10kg this time last year. I look less big but somehow I'm almost lifting as heavy as I was last year, despite now being 62kg and last year approx 73kg.

I've also gyminned instead of maxxxed. I used to go 6 times a week, now approx 2 times a week. 3500 calories a day before, now approx 2000, some days 1500. Slight change facially. But I get zero compliments on my body. My biceps and shoulders I feel look shite. I just look like a normies gymgoer, who puts no effort in. Maybe I should use roids... Either that or I need to bloatmaxx and look like shit in the face to look better body wise. Fuck this gay world. I wanna be 10% gymaxxed Arnold but it would take treating my body and lifestyle like a full time job.

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Hop on roids

 

[NewOneXY]

10kg in 6 months isnt even much

thats barely 1,5kg a month

 

[NewOneXY]

10kg in 6 months isnt even much

thats barely 1,5kg a month

 

[Be_ConfidentBro]

Should of cut while on a LGD/Ostarine cycle brah.
INB4 "eww roids", it's looksmaxxing, fraud or death.
If you cut on shit like LGD you will retain most of your muscle, it was originally developed to prevent loss of muscle mass after serious accidents (hip breaks and such) so Imagine what you could do with -500 cals a day, while lifting and getting enough protein.
While you're at it, bulk on LGD cycles too and achieve in 1 year what natties do in 5. Natty lifting is a meme.

 

[kovacs]

What an I now est? I thought I was 15-16%?

I don't wanna go that low without muscles because I'd weigh something ridiculous like 58kg. Likewise I can't gain muscle without bloatmaxxxing. Lean muscle is too hard..

you are 20+

 

[alien]

Don't listen to the retards who are telling you to cut
5'7.5" 62kg is 20.94 BMI.

New BMI Calculator

If you continue to cut, you're gonna be a twig. You don't have enough muscle to show off if you cut. You fucking weigh 137 lbs. No woman is going to take you seriously as a man at that size. Even at your height.

When I got six-pack abs last fall, no women on Tinder gave a fuck. I was 128.1-128.9 lbs @ 167cm tall (5'6"). My BMI back then was actually similar to your BMI now. I think the difference is I trained abs 3.5 times a week. And you probably don't train abs. Or maybe you have shit ab genetics if you are training abs.

My advice is to adopt at least a 3-day full body training program (2 days a week isn't enough) and eat in a 200 daily calorie surplus. Weigh yourself every morning after urinating and before eating and drinking anything. And aim to gain +0.4 lbs weekly (+0.0571428 lbs/day) to your 7-day moving average weight.

If you are gaining at a faster rate than that, reduce your calories by 50. If you are still gaining too fast, reduce your calories by 50 the next day and so on.

If you are gaining at a rate slower than that, increase your calories by 50. If you are still not gaining fast enough, increase your calories by 50 the next day and so on.

I bulked nearly 25 lbs in just over a year (128.1 lbs October 1 2022-> 152.9 lbs October 12 2023). So I have experience with bulking.

Day 1
1.BB/DB Bench 3x8+
2.Chin-up 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Lat Pulldowns 3x8-12)
3.Leg Press 3x8-12
4.DB Lateral Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
5.Overhead Tricep Rope Extension 3x8-12 (Superset)
6.DB Bicep Curl 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Seated Hamstring Curls 3x8-12 (Superset)
8.Standing Calf Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
9.Decline Sit-Ups 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Cable Crunches 3x12-16) (Superset)
27 working sets

Day 2 Rest

Day 3
1.BB/DB Conventional Deadlift 2x8+
2.BB/DB OHP 3x8+
3.BB Bent-Over-Row/DB One-Arm Row 3x8+
4.DB Bulgarian Split Squats/DB Reverse Lunges/DB Lunges/DB Goblet Squat 3x8-12
5.DB Neutral Grip Bench Press 3x8-12
6.Face Pulls 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Standing Calf Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
8.Decline Sit-Ups 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Cable Crunches 3x12-16) (Superset)
23 working sets

Day 4 Rest

Day 5
1.BB Back Squat 3x8+
2.Pull-up 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy. Or do lat pulldowns 3x8-12. Neutral Grip Pull-ups fine if wide pronated grip is too hard)
3.BB/DB Romanian Deadlifts 3x8+
4.Incline DB/BB Bench 3x8+
5.Seated Cable Row 3x8-12
6.Machine/Cable Lateral Raise 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Tricep Rope Pushdown 3x8-12 (Superset)
8.Preacher Curl (Machine/DB/EZ) 3x8-12 (Superset)
24 working sets

Day 6 & 7 Rest

Total: 74 working sets

Normally I don't advise such high volume for 3-day full body but you are obsessed with abs, so there you go. If 23-27 working sets per day is too time consuming, exhausting or makes you too sore, feel free to skip some exercises or lower the number of sets. On Day 1 there's 6 exercises that you can just superset with each other to save time.

Once I Jeff Nippard-maxx, I'm going to start charging for programming. Heh

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

How tf are you fatter and more muscular than me yet weigh less

 

[Deleted member 41390]

Maybe I should use roids...

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or maybe actually put effort in

 

[alien]

How tf are you fatter and more muscular than me yet weigh less

OP is 5'7.5" allegedly, you're 5'10".

 

[SecularIslamist]

Don't listen to the retards who are telling you to cut
5'7.5" 62kg is 20.94 BMI.

New BMI Calculator

If you continue to cut, you're gonna be a twig. You don't have enough muscle to show off if you cut. You fucking weigh 137 lbs. No woman is going to take you seriously as a man at that size. Even at your height.

When I got six-pack abs last fall, no women on Tinder gave a fuck. I was 128.1-128.9 lbs @ 167cm tall (5'6"). My BMI back then was actually similar to your BMI now. I think the difference is I trained abs 3.5 times a week. And you probably don't train abs. Or maybe you have shit ab genetics if you are training abs.

My advice is to adopt at least a 3-day full body training program (2 days a week isn't enough) and eat in a 200 daily calorie surplus. Weigh yourself every morning after urinating and before eating and drinking anything. And aim to gain +0.4 lbs weekly (+0.0571428 lbs/day) to your 7-day moving average weight.

If you are gaining at a faster rate than that, reduce your calories by 50. If you are still gaining too fast, reduce your calories by 50 the next day and so on.

If you are gaining at a rate slower than that, increase your calories by 50. If you are still not gaining fast enough, increase your calories by 50 the next day and so on.

I bulked nearly 25 lbs in just over a year (128.1 lbs October 1 2022-> 152.9 lbs October 12 2023). So I have experience with bulking.

Day 1
1.BB/DB Bench 3x8+
2.Chin-up 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Lat Pulldowns 3x8-12)
3.Leg Press 3x8-12
4.DB Lateral Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
5.Overhead Tricep Rope Extension 3x8-12 (Superset)
6.DB Bicep Curl 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Seated Hamstring Curls 3x8-12 (Superset)
8.Standing Calf Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
9.Decline Sit-Ups 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Cable Crunches 3x12-16) (Superset)
27 working sets

Day 2 Rest

Day 3
1.BB/DB Conventional Deadlift 2x8+
2.BB/DB OHP 3x8+
3.BB Bent-Over-Row/DB One-Arm Row 3x8+
4.DB Bulgarian Split Squats/DB Reverse Lunges/DB Lunges/DB Goblet Squat 3x8-12
5.DB Neutral Grip Bench Press 3x8-12
6.Face Pulls 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Standing Calf Raise 3x12-16 (Superset)
8.Decline Sit-Ups 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy or do Cable Crunches 3x12-16) (Superset)
23 working sets

Day 4 Rest

Day 5
1.BB Back Squat 3x8+
2.Pull-up 3xAMRAP (weighted if 3x20 is too easy. Or do lat pulldowns 3x8-12. Neutral Grip Pull-ups fine if wide pronated grip is too hard)
3.BB/DB Romanian Deadlifts 3x8+
4.Incline DB/BB Bench 3x8+
5.Seated Cable Row 3x8-12
6.Machine/Cable Lateral Raise 3x8-12 (Superset)
7.Tricep Rope Pushdown 3x8-12 (Superset)
8.Preacher Curl (Machine/DB/EZ) 3x8-12 (Superset)
24 working sets

Day 6 & 7 Rest

Total: 74 working sets

Normally I don't advise such high volume for 3-day full body but you are obsessed with abs, so there you go. If 23-27 working sets per day is too time consuming, exhausting or makes you too sore, feel free to skip some exercises or lower the number of sets. On Day 1 there's 6 exercises that you can just superset with each other to save time.

Once I Jeff Nippard-maxx, I'm going to start charging for programming. Heh

Thanks bhai. Screenshotted

 

[Deleted member 23391]

unfortunate fat distribution, you obviously carry a slab of fat on your abdomen + you have no ab muscle to speak of

need to starve more or get lipo

 

[alien]

or maybe actually put effort in

Natty bodybuilding is more about working smart rather than hard.
You can train hard but grow unevenly if you are not doing exercises with the correct form or if the program you follow sucks or doesn't suit you.

Also OP has been in a 465 calorie deficit for 6 months (-11kg). 465 calories is not an unreasonable deficit if you are a legit fat ass (25+ BMI and not much muscle) or if you have a decent amount of muscle on your frame so that you actually have something to show off when you cut. But you're going to gain fuck all in muscle mass with that deficit. And abs are a muscle like any other. If you eat in a calorie deficit that steep, you're not going to grow your abs. And they won't show. Unless you have good genetics where you don't need to train abs to get them to show at low body fat %.

I'm not sure if OP skips abs or not. But I bet if he trained abs directly with decline sit-ups 3xAMRAP or cable crunches 3x12-16 twice a week and progressive overloaded with good form (a lot of people cheat on cable crunches and other ab exercises with hips), he'd probably see his abs.

Not that it fucking matters anyways. Women on Tinder didn't care for my abs. Women on dating apps are mostly looking for beta buxx or maybe a tall Giga-Chad. If you are short like me (167cm), it's almost fucking over unless you moneymaxx. The only reason why I'm not a virgin is because I have a nice face. But I still struggle a lot with dating in 2023. My dad is an ugly manlet. That's why he is jealous of me.

Even this whole gymmaxxing thing seems like a cope to me but I don't know what else to do with my life. If I don't go jim, then its just LDAR and play video games. When 167cm manlets like me gymmaxx, women say that we are overcompensating. Even though height is something we can't control. But when we tell women to put down the fork, we are cancelled by society. Society worships vagina and treats all but wealthy and ridiculously good looking men like wage slaves.

 

[Chadelite]

What was ur weight this morning? SecularIslamist ?

 

[SecularIslamist]

Natty bodybuilding is more about working smart rather than hard.
You can train hard but grow unevenly if you are not doing exercises with the correct form or if the program you follow sucks or doesn't suit you.

Also OP has been in a 465 calorie deficit for 6 months (-11kg). 465 calories is not an unreasonable deficit if you are a legit fat ass (25+ BMI and not much muscle) or if you have a decent amount of muscle on your frame so that you actually have something to show off when you cut. But you're going to gain fuck all in muscle mass with that deficit. And abs are a muscle like any other. If you eat in a calorie deficit that steep, you're not going to grow your abs. And they won't show. Unless you have good genetics where you don't need to train abs to get them to show at low body fat %.

I'm not sure if OP skips abs or not. But I bet if he trained abs directly with decline sit-ups 3xAMRAP or cable crunches 3x12-16 twice a week and progressive overloaded with good form (a lot of people cheat on cable crunches and other ab exercises with hips), he'd probably see his abs.

Just for th record I have done 0 ab workouts. Probably should've mentioned in original post.

Not that it fucking matters anyways. Women on Tinder didn't care for my abs. Women on dating apps are mostly looking for beta buxx or maybe a tall Giga-Chad. If you are short like me (167cm), it's almost fucking over unless you moneymaxx. The only reason why I'm not a virgin is because I have a nice face. But I still struggle a lot with dating in 2023. My dad is an ugly manlet. That's why he is jealous of me.

Even this whole gymmaxxing thing seems like a cope to me but I don't know what else to do with my life. If I don't go jim, then its just LDAR and play video games. When 167cm manlets like me gymmaxx, women say that we are overcompensating. Even though height is something we can't control. But when we tell women to put down the fork, we are cancelled by society. Society worships vagina and treats all but wealthy and ridiculously good looking men like wage slaves.

167cm is brutal. Do you live in the West? I forgot. Even on apps like Muzz so many women put down 5'6 are you larping 5'7 at least?

 

[SecularIslamist]

What was ur weight this morning? SecularIslamist ?

Haven't checked today.

Tbh I'm usually 63kg not 62. I was 62kg last week.

 

[Chadelite]

Haven't checked today.

Tbh I'm usually 63kg not 62. I was 62kg last week.

.

 

[horizontallytall]

i’ve only ate two bags of chips totalling 200 calories for the past 4 days
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Incel trait

 

[AlexBrown84]

Incel trait

i have to get ready before i stuff my face with a large paneer pizza and butter chicken and cheese naan

 

[TsarTsar444]

You are above 15% bf.
The most i have gone is 8-9% bf, i was 67kg at 6'1 when i finally achieved this goal but my hunger was beyond comprehension, truly a one in a lifetime experience to larp a famine, when i went to supermarkets at 8% bf, they would look like theme parks to me. I would just lose myself in them for over an hour just staring at food completely hypnotized. Proud i never cheated and made it to my goal tho

 

[horizontallytall]

Damn i am 84 kg and still lean

 

[alien]

167cm is brutal. Do you live in the West? I forgot. Even on apps like Muzz so many women put down 5'6 are you larping 5'7 at least?

Yea I live in Canada and I put down my real height. One 5'5" Asian woman here in Toronto even matched with me on Bumble and then she messaged me to ask, "are you really 5'6"? *laughing emoji*" And I said yea. And she said "thank you for your honesty." And unmatched me. If you are going to make fun of me for my height, why message me in the first place? Just unmatch. If I did the same thing to a fat woman, I would have been permabanned from the app. Society treats the vast majority of men with far more disrespect than they treat women.

If the Jeff Nippard-maxxing works out, I can become a personal trainer and sell training programs online and not have to wagecuck at a 9-5. So I'm going to continue to gymmaxx. But the way I see things, this shit isn't going to lead to me getting many women. Because women and society in general has little respect for manlets.

 

[Deleted member 41390]

Natty bodybuilding is more about working smart rather than hard.
You can train hard but grow unevenly if you are not doing exercises with the correct form or if the program you follow sucks or doesn't suit you.

Also OP has been in a 465 calorie deficit for 6 months (-11kg). 465 calories is not an unreasonable deficit if you are a legit fat ass (25+ BMI and not much muscle) or if you have a decent amount of muscle on your frame so that you actually have something to show off when you cut. But you're going to gain fuck all in muscle mass with that deficit. And abs are a muscle like any other. If you eat in a calorie deficit that steep, you're not going to grow your abs. And they won't show. Unless you have good genetics where you don't need to train abs to get them to show at low body fat %.

I'm not sure if OP skips abs or not. But I bet if he trained abs directly with decline sit-ups 3xAMRAP or cable crunches 3x12-16 twice a week and progressive overloaded with good form (a lot of people cheat on cable crunches and other ab exercises with hips), he'd probably see his abs.

Not that it fucking matters anyways. Women on Tinder didn't care for my abs. Women on dating apps are mostly looking for beta buxx or maybe a tall Giga-Chad. If you are short like me (167cm), it's almost fucking over unless you moneymaxx. The only reason why I'm not a virgin is because I have a nice face. But I still struggle a lot with dating in 2023. My dad is an ugly manlet. That's why he is jealous of me.

Even this whole gymmaxxing thing seems like a cope to me but I don't know what else to do with my life. If I don't go jim, then its just LDAR and play video games. When 167cm manlets like me gymmaxx, women say that we are overcompensating. Even though height is something we can't control. But when we tell women to put down the fork, we are cancelled by society. Society worships vagina and treats all but wealthy and ridiculously good looking men like wage slaves.

@GabachoCopium look at the sa this Nigga wrote. I’m not reading a single fucking word.

 

[GabachoCopium]

@GabachoCopium look at the sa this Nigga wrote. I’m not reading a single fucking word.

Ha

 

[SecularIslamist]

Yea I live in Canada and I put down my real height. One 5'5" Asian woman here in Toronto even matched with me on Bumble and then she messaged me to ask, "are you really 5'6"? *laughing emoji*" And I said yea. And she said "thank you for your honesty." And unmatched me. If you are going to make fun of me for my height, why message me in the first place? Just unmatch. If I did the same thing to a fat woman, I would have been permabanned from the app. Society treats the vast majority of men with far more disrespect than they treat women.

If the Jeff Nippard-maxxing works out, I can become a personal trainer and sell training programs online and not have to wagecuck at a 9-5. So I'm going to continue to gymmaxx. But the way I see things, this shit isn't going to lead to me getting many women. Because women and society in general has little respect for manlets.

Put 5'7 down. 90% of people are height inflating. I used to put 5'8 (half an inch larp). Now I put 5'9 and results are considerably better.

Also I geofrauded to Canada, Toronto and Ottawa. The likes I get from Canadian foids is twice as much as British girls.

 

[robtical]

Yea I live in Canada and I put down my real height. One 5'5" Asian woman here in Toronto even matched with me on Bumble and then she messaged me to ask, "are you really 5'6"? *laughing emoji*" And I said yea. And she said "thank you for your honesty." And unmatched me. If you are going to make fun of me for my height, why message me in the first place? Just unmatch. If I did the same thing to a fat woman, I would have been permabanned from the app. Society treats the vast majority of men with far more disrespect than they treat women.

If the Jeff Nippard-maxxing works out, I can become a personal trainer and sell training programs online and not have to wagecuck at a 9-5. So I'm going to continue to gymmaxx. But the way I see things, this shit isn't going to lead to me getting many women. Because women and society in general has little respect for manlets.

isnt fitness thing too saturated, so many personal trainers online

 

[St.TikTokcel]

I've literally lost 10kg this time last year. I look less big but somehow I'm almost lifting as heavy as I was last year, despite now being 62kg and last year approx 73kg.

I've also gyminned instead of maxxxed. I used to go 6 times a week, now approx 2 times a week. 3500 calories a day before, now approx 2000, some days 1500. Slight change facially. But I get zero compliments on my body. My biceps and shoulders I feel look shite. I just look like a normies gymgoer, who puts no effort in. Maybe I should use roids... Either that or I need to bloatmaxx and look like shit in the face to look better body wise. Fuck this gay world. I wanna be 10% gymaxxed Arnold but it would take treating my body and lifestyle like a full time job.

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No muscle tone.

 

[Deleted member 31024]

Train them then

I didn’t have abs at 57 kg due to no muscles

 

[zharupodrugu]

i didn't have abs when I was starvemaxxed as a teen, now I have abs when I'm bulking.

 

[alien]

isnt fitness thing too saturated, so many personal trainers online

I can still Onlyfans-maxx if my online personal trainer/fitness influencer business fails.
I get hit on by gay guys on Facebook Dating's friendship only section and Bumble BFF (their friendship only section) constantly.
The meme is true. I gymmaxxed to get girls. But instead I just get compliments from OTHER MEN. lmfao.

The program that I wrote OP, this is something that fitness influencers on YouTube and Instagram charge $35-50 USD for. The top influencers like Jeff Nippard charge $50. And I offered him a program for FREE. lmfao. Once I become a gymmaxxed manlet like Jeff Nippard, I'm going to start charging $35 for programs instead of offering random incels on the internet programs for free. And I'm going to charge more for custom programs like any other influencer. I'm not "proven" yet. This is why I offer free programming when I have time.

 

[alien]

i didn't have abs when I was starvemaxxed as a teen, now I have abs when I'm bulking.

Exactly. It's because abs are a muscle like any other. You need to be in a calorie surplus to grow your abs. Unless you are fat enough to gain muscle mass at maintenance or even a slight deficit. You will not grow your abs eating at a 465 calorie deficit like OP even if you directly train them.
I cut down to my abs last fall @ 167cm 128.1 lbs. But my abs looked even better after I bulked up 5 lbs.

Right now I'm eating at around maintenance. But I'm kinda fluffy at the moment (I have more body fat % than OP at the moment) @ 167cm 152.8 lbs (25 BMI). So I have enough body fat to recomp towards more muscle.

Also even though I'm fatter, my abs are more visible than OP's. Because I trained them directly for nearly a year straight. And recently I started training abs again once a week. I don't bother with abs too much anymore because at my body fat %, it doesn't matter. Also I find that pull-ups, barbell back squats, deadlifts, leg press and tricep pushdowns work my abs plenty. When I do 3 sets of decline sit-ups holding a 10lb plate behind my head, my abs are still sore 3 days later. Because bodyweight exercises are difficult when you're carrying some extra body fat. heh.

It's possible that you don't need to train abs directly if you do compound movements that hit abs but if you still can't see your abs after doing pull-ups, barbell squats, deadlifts, tricep pushdowns, leg press, etc. then you should train 3 sets of abs (decline sit-ups/cable crunches) twice a week at least.

 

[zharupodrugu]

Exactly. It's because abs are a muscle like any other. You need to be in a calorie surplus to grow your abs. Unless you are fat enough to gain muscle mass at maintenance or even a slight deficit. You will not grow your abs eating at a 465 calorie deficit like OP even if you directly train them.
I cut down to my abs last fall @ 167cm 128.1 lbs. But my abs looked even better after I bulked up 5 lbs.

128? but you are a twink. I'm 161 lbs 5'8 and i have abs

 

[alien]

128? but you are a twink. I'm 161 lbs 5'8 and i have abs

Yea if you are gymmaxxed well, you can still retain visible abs at higher weights.
I bulked nearly 25 lbs in just over a year. I'm 152.8 lbs now. So my abs are not as visible as they used to be when I was 128.1 lbs. But I've been eating at maintenance for the past 3 weeks. The plan is recomp fat to more muscle mass. I could cut now. But I was practically invisible on Tinder showing a shirtless pic with my abs at 133 lbs so it doesn't even matter. lol. Being lean is not important to women if you are not muscular. Unless you're rich or maybe tall and ridiculously good looking then maybe you can get away with being skinny.

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Soon. I will larp as Hamas fighter just so I can be waterboarded and suffocated by female IDF soldier under interrogation

I can't wait for an IDF soldier to do this to me

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