I’ve never seen a good response from a Christian on why god inflicts so much suffering into the natural world

[TiktokUser]

Care to explain your “hmm” to my reply there, I’d like to know where youre confused since you’re monitoring this thread actively @TiktokUser

I understand where hes coming from when he says that everything exists in contrast to its opposite. For life to exist, there must be suffering at least in a non religious context but I mostly agree with you
cause why does that contrast have to exist in the first place, unless he argues that satan was the one who caused it.

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

you just dont understand. you cant call god immoral if he is your source of morality. lets hear your argument for a moral standard that is independant of him

Saying “everyone knows killing children is wrong” is observing a moral truth or widely accepted ethical intuition - it’s not the same as claiming an independent, Godless standard of morality. It’s a widely known and ultimately agreed on fact of life, if you don’t agree with this you would be ostracized in society. It’s an observable truth, just like water boils at 100°C. Are you trying to say there aren’t observable truths to the universe?

You keep completely misinterpreting my points, and not following the narrative

 

[Primalsplit]

"It's all part of God's divine plan."

"He works in mysterious ways."

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Saying “everyone knows killing children is wrong” is observing a moral truth or widely accepted ethical intuition - it’s not the same as claiming an independent, Godless standard of morality. It’s a widely known and ultimately agreed on fact of life, if you don’t agree with this you would be ostracized in society. It’s an observable truth, just like water boils at 100°C. Are you trying to say there aren’t observable truths to the universe?

You keep completely misinterpreting my points, and not following the narrative

social consensus is an independant moral standard now? Lenny nigga is this chatgpt?

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

I understand where hes coming from when he says that everything exists in contrast to its opposite. For life to exist, there must be suffering at least in a non religious context but I mostly agree with you
cause why does that contrast have to exist in the first place, unless he argues that satan was the one who caused it.

If he claimed it was Satan that would just be a fallacy anyways due to god being omnipotent

If he allowed Satan to curse the world, HE allowed it. You can limit gods power if what any theology claims is true

 

[certifiedeskimo]

social consensus is an independant moral standard now? Lenny nigga is this chatgpt?

next time say "in my opinion god is immoral" you cant make objective statements about him being immoral when you have no basis for morality or base your morality on him

 

[Dorogi]

And I’ve listened, I’ve kept an open mind for an explanation to the question

0 people have ever answered this question with a response that objectively resonated with me. That’s also not to say, some explanations of god DO make sense to me. I’m never being biased here

The book of job even tries to explain this

All it is is vague, metaphoric nonsense

Personally i think the reason god doesnt exist is because why would he make everything so unfair? We all know without a doubt that its far easier for chad who got handed everything to him to in life to live as a good christian than some ND chud. Why would he even make ND people? Making someone ND is just taking away one of thr most important parts of being human which is being able to connect with others. I dont want to hear any of that "god gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers" because ND people are more emotionally vulnerable and if they have a bad day dont have anyone to run to at the end of the day like chad does

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

social consensus is an independant moral standard now? Lenny nigga is this chatgpt?

If you ask a question, and 99.99% of people on the earth agree, yeah it’s an observable objective moral truth. People don’t even need to agree that death is wrong and bad; killing, torturing, or harming someone causes measurable psychological and physiological suffering in the brain and body. this is objective and observable, pain exists lil bro

Lenny nigga is this chatgpt?

Nice try nigga, my original thoughts combined with of course some past rhetoric I studied

 

[certifiedeskimo]

If you ask a question, and 99.99% of people on the earth agree, yeah it’s an observable objective moral truth.

its called consensus its not objective

People don’t even need to agree that death is wrong and bad; killing, torturing, or harming someone causes measurable psychological and physiological suffering in the brain and body. this is objective and observable, pain exists lil bro

so what? noone is denying that suffering exists

Nice try nigga, my original thoughts combined with of course some past rhetoric I studied

sounds like chatgpt but whatever. I dont really care for this argument, u keep going in circles

 

[aaronbp]

alvin platingas free will defense is goated try and read it

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

sounds like chatgpt but whatever. I dont really care for this argument, u keep going in circles

Just because I can talk eloquently and have a high reading and writing level doesn’t mean I’m copy and pasting from ChatGPT

It wouldn’t matter if I’m using chatGPT either way anyways. That doesn’t make the argument worse what’s even the point in bringing it up

Blud I’m trying to have real conversations here with people. I definitely came to the wrong place

its called consensus its not objective

The consensus is just a supporting point anyway. There’s objective bad and evil that you can observe based off the literal neurons going on in our heads. People, even children, naturally respond to harm. You don’t need divine instruction to know that harming an innocent person is wrong nigga

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Just because I can talk eloquently and have a high reading and writing level doesn’t mean I’m copy and pasting from ChatGPT

It wouldn’t matter if I’m using chatGPT either way anyways. That doesn’t make the argument worse what’s even the point in bringing it up

Blud I’m trying to have real conversations here with people. I definitely came to the wrong place

no I just thought it was funny how ai it sounded

The consensus is just a supporting point anyway. There’s objective bad and evil that you can observe based off the literal neurons going on in our heads. People, even children, naturally respond to harm. You don’t need divine instruction to know that harming an innocent person is wrong nigga

yea this is basically the same as you said before. instinct, reactions, whatever youd call them arent a moral law so you cant judge god with it

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

no I just thought it was funny how ai it sounded

yea this is basically the same as you said before. instinct, reactions, whatever youd call them arent a moral law so you cant judge god with it

If I were to use chatGPT, it would just be to easily convey my points in an eloquent way anyways. I would never just copy and paste random robot ideas. It’s just to expand on my ideas without having to use my brain an immense amount because at the end of the day it’s a looksforum and idgaf I have done that before honestly

But yeah, you say I keep going back and forth, but I brought up and expanded on different philosophical ideas every single time I’ve written to you. YOU are the one who has said the same thing in nearly every single reply. You’ve had the same straw man argument every single time and deflecting

You’re just saying observable human reactions arent a moral law. And every time you’ve written the same straw man fallacy over and over again about how I’m judging god by human standards. I already disproved this to which you’ve had no other rebuttal

 

[certifiedeskimo]

If I were to use chatGPT, it would just be to easily convey my points in an eloquent way anyways. I would never just copy and paste random robot ideas. It’s just to expand on my ideas without having to use my brain an immense amount because at the end of the day it’s a looksforum and idgaf I have done that before honestly

But yeah, you say I keep going back and forth, but I brought up and expanded on different philosophical ideas every single time I’ve written to you. YOU are the one who has said the same thing in nearly every single reply. You’ve had the same straw man argument every single time and deflecting

the thread is you claiming god to be immoral, so Obv i Will keep bringing up how youve still failed to explain why, youve only given your own opinion and made stupid analogies. each time Ive replied to you ive explained very simply why that reply is not logically sound

You’re just saying observable human reactions arent a moral law. And every time you’ve written the same straw man fallacy over and over again about how I’m judging god by human standards. I already disproved this to which you’ve had no other rebuttal

im mirin how delusional you are. First google Straw man fallacy and learn what it actually is. secondly as ive said a hundred times now, you cant make objective statements about his morality when its just your own subjective opinion.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

God is just a cope for this life of suffering

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

the thread is you claiming god to be immoral, so Obv i Will keep bringing up how youve still failed to explain why, youve only given your own opinion and made stupid analogies. each time Ive replied to you ive explained very simply why that reply is not logically sound


im mirin how delusional you are. First google Straw man fallacy and learn what it actually is. secondly as ive said a hundred times now, you cant make objective statements about his morality when its just your own subjective opinion.

I know exactly what a straw man is and what a fallacy is, you clearly don’t. You clearly don’t have a high reading level bro and I mean that genuinely, you’re really not even grasping what my points are is what I genuinely think, it’s not that I didn’t explain it, it’s that you can grasp high level concepts like this about language and philosophy

I for one, had a top 1% language understanding in the first grade, I have a very high level of understanding English.

Of course you think I’m not explaining things well if you can’t even understand my points

Care to explain what analogies are stupid, and why?

 

[CorinthianLOX]

"It's all part of God's divine plan."

"He works in mysterious ways."

Biggest copes ever

 

[batman1997]

Life is meaningless just do whatever the fuck you wanna do.

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

the thread is you claiming god to be immoral, so Obv i Will keep bringing up how youve still failed to explain why, youve only given your own opinion and made stupid analogies. each time Ive replied to you ive explained very simply why that reply is not logically sound


im mirin how delusional you are. First google Straw man fallacy and learn what it actually is. secondly as ive said a hundred times now, you cant make objective statements about his morality when it’s just your own subjective opinion.

I am NOT judging god by human standards, and that’s never been my argument. You can’t seem to understand that, a straw man is basically twisting my argument, which you are. Like I just said, you clearly can’t understand high level concepts. How old are you?

 

[certifiedeskimo]

I know exactly what a straw man is and what a fallacy is, you clearly don’t. You clearly don’t have a high reading level bro and I mean that genuinely, you’re really not even grasping what my points are is what I genuinely think, it’s not that I didn’t explain it, it’s that you can grasp high level concepts like this about language and philosophy

I for one, had a top 1% language understanding in the first grade, I have a very high level of understanding English.

Of course you think I’m not explaining things well if you can’t even understand my points

Care to explain what analogies are stupid, and why?

Just another slop reply With zero substance.

 

[certifiedeskimo]

I am NOT judging god by human standards

You admitted to this in one of your first replies to me btw “im judging god by his own standards” but you didnt even notice how that was a contradiction till after the fact so you had to change your argument to “suffering exists Lil bro”

, and that’s never been my argument. You can’t seem to understand that, a straw man is basically twisting my argument, which you are. Like I just said, you clearly can’t understand high level concepts. How old are you?

Its funny once you realise your first few replies to me were actually twisting my argument, something ive yet to do to you

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Just another slop reply With zero substance.

Yet you haven’t a single time been able to give a solid point on why it’s wrong

0 substance, yet you can’t debunk literally anything bro. I mean the paragraph ur replying to yes was pretty much just me insulting you because It’s pointless arguing with you when you #1 don’t understand debating even remotely and #2 can’t make an actual point, or prove anything that you say with logic. Yeah, me using proper definitions, and keeping on the actual point of the subject is being Jewish

You haven’t answered a single questions I’ve asked, ur literally just some dumb insufferable fag with no self awareness

It’s just embarrassing

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Yet you haven’t a single time been able to give a solid point on why it’s wrong

I have destroyed you basically with your shitty Reddit argument

0 substance, yet you can’t debunk literally anything bro. I mean the paragraph ur replying to yes was pretty much just me insulting you because It’s pointless arguing with you when you #1 don’t understand debating even remotely and #2 can’t make an actual point, or prove anything that you say with logic. Yeah, me using proper definitions, and keeping on the actual point of the subject is being Jewish

I have made a very solid point …. you cant make an objective statement about his morality if you have no basis of morality, you just keep ignoring this part

You haven’t answered a single questions I’ve asked, ur literally just some dumb insufferable fag with no self awareness

You havent asked a question dumbass

youve just made false equivacations and dumb analogies.

It’s just embarrassing

Read our interactions over again. Youll realise how you come off as a 15 year old who just discovered r/athiesm and is unable to accept loss

 

[Decha]

It's the problem of evil, why would an all good and just God allow suffering?

The only compelling argument I hear that doesn't strip God of his omnipotence and omnibenevolence is the freewill defence, but it's a moot argument if you're a determinist and reject freewill. It also doesn't account for natural evils.

Some just appeal to mystery, a divine plan, God's ways are beyond us and we'll never know etc. Which fair enough I guess but it doesn't really answer shit.

 

[gunrenaissance]

Your genes we’re influenced by your ancestors lives and choices.

Why do you think god owes you anything? What makes you so important. Be grateful he had mercy and gave you a choice to choose because he could have smited you.

>Yeah, which were determined by God dumbass, since he's "all knowing" and "omnipotent", there's no free will for us to be judged deserving of eternal pain fairly
>why did he create me then? I didn't ask to live such a painful existence

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

I have destroyed you basically with your shitty Reddit argument

I have made a very solid point …. you cant make an objective statement about his morality if you have no basis of morality, you just keep ignoring this part

You havent asked a question dumbass

youve just made false equivacations and dumb analogies.

Read our interactions over again. Youll realise how you come off as a 15 year old who just discovered r/athiesm and is unable to accept loss

I can’t make an objective statement about a question that is by definition burden shifting and deflective

Here let me put this simply for your little peanut brain, why would I defend a claim that YOU believe your question is fucking nonsense.

If you’re a Christian and believing in the testament, it says says god is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient. My question is if those attributes are logically consistent with observable reality. It’s about internal coherence of god, not independent reality. Let me put this even more simply since ur a retarded 15 year old

I’m not using some outside mortal rules to judge god, ur saying im using OUR morals to judge god. I’m not. It’s literally God’s fucking morals, holy shit u are retarded

You’re trying to hold yourself on a high ground here like an absolute retard, you haven’t even explicitly said what you believe god’s morals even are. You’re just blindingly following your imaginary friend you haven’t stated ur opinion on anything

It’s actually harder to argue with you than actually intelligent people bro

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

I have destroyed you basically with your shitty Reddit argument

I have made a very solid point …. you cant make an objective statement about his morality if you have no basis of morality, you just keep ignoring this part

You havent asked a question dumbass

youve just made false equivocations and dumb analogies.

Read our interactions over again. Youll realise how you come off as a 15 year old who just discovered r/athiesm and is unable to accept loss

Name one thing that was a false equivocation (nice English btw) please right now. Oh you won’t, because anytime I ask you to point out flaws in my argument you completely ignore it. Asked you to explain what analogies are stupid, nada from you. You don’t even have an opinion you dumb ass faggot, you jsut glaze over every argument and deflect shit to your originally stupid point that isn’t congruent with my argument

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

I have destroyed you basically with your shitty Reddit argument

I have made a very solid point …. you cant make an objective statement about his morality if you have no basis of morality, you just keep ignoring this part

You havent asked a question dumbass

youve just made false equivacations and dumb analogies.

Read our interactions over again. Youll realise how you come off as a 15 year old who just discovered r/athiesm and is unable to accept loss

I’ve asked plenty of questions, you NEVER answer them retard. I can go back and show plenty of examples, I already did (asking what analogies were stupid, . You don’t explain any of your thoughts logically, you just state shit like a monkey

You haven’t even given an actual answer to the ACTUAL question, why would god allow preventable suffering? All you can do is deflect the question into some stupid retard argument

 

[certifiedeskimo]

I can’t make an objective statement about a question that is by definition burden shifting and deflective

Here let me put this simply for your little peanut brain, why would I defend a claim that YOU believe your question is fucking nonsense.

If you’re a Christian and believing in the testament, it says says god is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient. My question is if those attributes are logically consistent with observable reality. It’s about internal coherence of god, not independent reality. Let me put this even more simply since ur a retarded 15 year old

I’m not using some outside mortal rules to judge god, ur saying im using OUR morals to judge god. I’m not. It’s literally God’s fucking morals, holy shit u are retarded

You’re trying to hold yourself on a high ground here like an absolute retard, you haven’t even explicitly said what you believe god’s morals even are. You’re just blindingly following your imaginary friend you haven’t stated ur opinion on anything

What nigga words cant describe how irrelevant this is

It’s actually harder to argue with you than actually intelligent people bro

Jeez nigga took you 20 minutes to write this. using Gods morals to judge God is circular. Thats why your “argument” is low iq trash

 

[certifiedeskimo]

I’ve asked plenty of questions, you NEVER answer them retard. I can go back and show plenty of examples, I already did (asking what analogies were stupid, . You don’t explain any of your thoughts logically, you just state shit like a monkey

You haven’t even given an actual answer to the ACTUAL question, why would god allow preventable suffering? All you can do is deflect the question into some stupid retard argument

I explained in my second or third reply to you why and which analogy was stupid. Now stop replying to me you insecure little boy. If you understood my reply in the start youd realise that we do not know why he allows it but its not a dilemma like You’re making it out to be

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Name one thing that was a false equivocation (nice English btw) please right now. Oh you won’t, because anytime I ask you to point out flaws in my argument you completely ignore it. Asked you to explain what analogies are stupid, nada from you. You don’t even have an opinion you dumb ass faggot, you jsut glaze over every argument and deflect shit to your originally stupid point that isn’t congruent with my argument

Because your argument is shit simple as that and You’re still just ignoring my original point by being a faggot “muh fallacy”

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

What nigga words cant describe how irrelevant this is

Jeez nigga took you 20 minutes to write this. using Gods morals to judge God is circular. Thats why your “argument” is low iq trash

Yeah, not your words, because you’re too stupid to even try to attempt to explain why I’m wrong you again keep making claims without explaining at fucking all. That’s all you’ve done. You just say I’m wrong, and then say stupid shit that isn’t even true by definition. That isn’t a circular argument even remotely. I’m not particularly judging “god by god’s morals”, it was just a figure of speech. I meant judging god by the bibles depiction of god. I feel truly bad for you bro ur gonna struggle in life with this competency

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Because your argument is shit simple as that and You’re still just ignoring my original point by being a faggot “muh fallacy”

Nope, I explained exactly why it’s a fallacy you’re just too retarded to understand because you have a low reading level. I’m not gonna keep repeating myself just cause you have a learning disability

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Nope, I explained exactly why it’s a fallacy you’re just too retarded to understand because you have a low reading level. I’m not gonna keep repeating myself just cause you have a learning disability

But the fact is I havent made a straw man fallacy. You Can keep talking about the technicalities og the argument, doesnt change the fact that you have no good point

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

But the fact is I havent made a straw man fallacy. You Can keep talking about the technicalities og the argument, doesnt change the fact that you have no good point

Again just claiming shit without explaining, you just keep proving my point. You can’t explain why I’m wrong about claiming you made a straw man fallacy. I explained exactly why ur logically incorrect

Bro, you unironically are the dumbest person I’ve ever spoken to on his website, I’m not being dramatic

 

[taai]

I believe here is not where you find the answer to this question tbh

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Yeah, not your words, because you’re too stupid to even try to attempt to explain why I’m wrong you again keep making claims without explaining at fucking all. That’s all you’ve done. You just say I’m wrong, and then say stupid shit that isn’t even true by definition. That isn’t a circular argument even remotely. I’m not particularly judging “god by god’s morals”, it was just a figure of speech. I meant judging god by the bibles depiction of god. I feel truly bad for you bro ur gonna struggle in life with this competency

You cant call God immoral with his own rules how hard is that to understand

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

I believe here is not where you find the answer to this question tbh

Just wanted to gauge the iq of the users here

News in, these niggas are retarded

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

You cant call God immoral with his own rules how hard is that to understand

The funniest shit bro I swear, you talk about circular arguments because you misinterpret my point, and then go around saying an entirely circular point.

If God’s “rules” make it impossible to ever call Him immoral, then those rules aren’t moral they’re circular. You’re saying whatever God does is automatically good just because He’s God. That’s not morality, that’s redefining good and evil so they lose all meaning.




I gotta stop replying man ur making me lose braincells

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Again just claiming shit without explaining, you just keep proving my point. You can’t explain why I’m wrong about claiming you made a straw man fallacy. I explained exactly why ur logically incorrect

Bro, you unironically are the dumbest person I’ve ever spoken to on his website, I’m not being dramatic

youre the one claiminh something so you have to Prove it you fucking retard. And no you havent explained why im logically incorrect. Up until this point all youve said is consensus = objective truth which is wrong you dipshite

 

[certifiedeskimo]

The funniest shit bro I swear, you talk about circular arguments because you misinterpret my point, and then go around saying an entirely circular point.

If God’s “rules” make it impossible to ever call Him immoral, then those rules aren’t moral they’re circular. You’re saying whatever God does is automatically good just because He’s God. That’s not morality, that’s redefining good and evil so they lose all meaning.




I gotta stop replying man ur making me lose braincells

Youre assuming morality exists Independant from god so fucking Prove that to me. Prove a moral standard independant from him

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

youre the one claiminh something so you have to Prove it you fucking retard. And no you havent explained why im logically incorrect. Up until this point all youve said is consensus = objective truth which is wrong you dipshite

Holy fuck man

It’s genuinely over for your incredibly cooked brain

How do you even actually function in society? Ur like close to being brain dead, one of the dumbest people ive actually ever spoken too

That’s not even remotely “all I said”

And yeah, in society it’s objective that being killed is painful and bad. A fucking 8 year old knows that

Fucking brain dead illiterate sperg fuck


I am not claiming shit, you’re the one claiming god exists. The burden of proof is 100% on you here fucking dunce

But yeah, you can say I didn’t explain why I’m logically wrong, but it doesn’t matter, cause I did, fucking moron. Again, you just don’t understand logic, cause you’re a stupid fucking person



Genuinely caging at this nigga right now, I didn’t know people actually came this dumb

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Youre assuming morality exists Independant from god so fucking Prove that to me. Prove a moral standard independant from him

hahahahahahahahaha bro nah there’s no shot ur just gonna keep repeating the same shit

if hell exists, i think im in right now trying to reason with literal fucking illiteracy

I already explained that it’s not about independent morality, very eloquently and to the point. Yet you keep saying the same shit, no matter what i say AHAHAHAHAHAHQ BROOOOOOO

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Youre assuming morality exists Independant from god so fucking Prove that to me. Prove a moral standard independant from him

AHAAHAHHAHAHA GOD DAMN NIGGA YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

 

[klip11]

And I’ve listened, I’ve kept an open mind for an explanation to the question

0 people have ever answered this question with a response that objectively resonated with me. That’s also not to say, some explanations of god DO make sense to me. I’m never being biased here

The book of job even tries to explain this

All it is is vague, metaphoric nonsense

Because we wuz kangz

 

[certifiedeskimo]

Holy fuck man

It’s genuinely over for your incredibly cooked brain

How do you even actually function in society? Ur like close to being brain dead, one of the dumbest people ive actually ever spoken too

That’s not even remotely “all I said”

And yeah, in society it’s objective that being killed is painful and bad. A fucking 8 year old knows that

Fucking brain dead illiterate sperg fuck


I am not claiming shit, you’re the one claiming god exists. The burden of proof is 100% on you here fucking dunce

Havent denied suffering or evil exists you idiot and again You’re just saying consensus means its objectively evil. Not have I even claimed god exists im telling you that you cant Call him immoral when you have no basis for it

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Havent denied suffering or evil exists you idiot and again You’re just saying consensus means its objectively evil. Not have I even claimed god exists im telling you that you cant Call him immoral when you have no basis for it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

STILL ON THE CONSENSUS THING WHEN I ALREADY CLARIFIED

YOURE RETARDED NIGGA HAHAHAHAHA

NO BASIS FOR BEING IMMORAL WHEN I EXPLAINED WITH PARAGRAPHS WHY, AHAAHAHAHAHA

DUMBASS NIGGA

 

[TiktokUser]

bump

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

bump

Shout out bro for actually caring about important topics

And watching me argue with the dumbest 14 year old ever. If I knew the nigga was 14 I would’ve stopped at the 2nd reply

 

[tunisianropemaxxer]

And I’ve listened, I’ve kept an open mind for an explanation to the question

0 people have ever answered this question with a response that objectively resonated with me. That’s also not to say, some explanations of god DO make sense to me. I’m never being biased here

The book of job even tries to explain this

All it is is vague, metaphoric nonsense

Free will or sum like that