Jaw (assess why you're not ascending)

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Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.

look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.

Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.

A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.

But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

 

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this so high effot bhai

mirin.

 

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this so high effot bhai

mirin.

Ty

 

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How vro

 

[KT-34]

High effort, thank you bhai, my jaw is my biggest failo hopefully 12% bf will help

 

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High effort, thank you bhai, my jaw is my biggest failo hopefully 12% bf will help

Ngl 10% optimal. Good luck bro

 

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Ty

dw bhai love u

 

[yordancel]

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

Keep bumping this guys

 

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Useless thread. Complete slop… 2026 .org is over

 

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Useless thread. Complete slop… 2026 .org is over

It says "for inexperienced newgens" I made it just cause I saw a retard talking about bonesmashing massaters

 

[gravlek]

It says "for inexperienced newgens" I made it just cause I saw a retard talking about bonesmashing massaters

You’re literally a newfag yourself jfl

 

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You’re literally a newfag yourself jfl

Been on looksmaxxing shit from 2023, I never opened an account bro

 

[Aoki33]

water

 

[yordancel]

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

Tryna keep ts thread alive jfl

 

[Shirobon]

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

i was retarded and used that shitty falim gum like an hour a day for 5 months ish and my mouth posture had me constantly mildy clenching, actually brutal brah my ISA and JFA angles are so assymetrical thanks to the insanely obtuse jaw frontal angle i received from doing this shit (around 100-5 degrees) not to mention my inward gonions, i plan to get masseter botox to fix ts

 

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i was retarded and used that shitty falim gum like an hour a day for 5 months ish and my mouth posture had me constantly mildy clenching, actually brutal brah my ISA and JFA angles are so assymetrical thanks to the insanely obtuse jaw frontal angle i received from doing this shit (around 100-5 degrees) not to mention my inward gonions, i plan to get masseter botox to fix ts

Obtuse frontal angles do mog sometimes, if you're paired with a wide neck and optimal harmony then you can possibly use that to your advantage. Are you Asian? Cause insanely obtuse frontal angles are super common in asianscels

 

[Shirobon]

Obtuse frontal angles do mog sometimes, if you're paired with a wide neck and optimal harmony then you can possibly use that to your advantage. Are you Asian? Cause insanely obtuse frontal angles are super common in asianscels

white and it doesnt look good on me my harmony is average to below average so

 

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white and it doesnt look good on me my harmony is average to below average so

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

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[zurrity]

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

before hardmaxxing, u should hop on test. shits a chance that ur androgen receptors are sensitive and u end up growing a chad jaw. ive seen ppl grow a jaw 2x its original size from test so its definitely possible. i heard hyper responders arent even too rare anyways. theres only one way to find out

 

[yordancel]

before hardmaxxing, u should hop on test. shits a chance that ur androgen receptors are sensitive and u end up growing a chad jaw. ive seen ppl grow a jaw 2x its original size from test so its definitely possible. i heard hyper responders arent even too rare anyways. theres only one way to find out

Forgot to add this!

 

[iblameebi2.0]

Greetings buddy boyos!
In this thread we're going to talk about why
Most of your jaw softmaxxes don't work
(For inexperienced newgens)
​

Jaw formation
First of all, before you looksmaxx. You're supposed to be diagnosing every problems you have with your face. If you're blindly hopping on mewing and BS like thumbpulling it's gonna do you no good. You need to assess every little bit of your structure and what is ideal or not. I see retards hopping on MARPE without knowing if they even need it or not and end up botched and subhuman.

Gonions: Most important parts of your mandible to assess are the gonions. If you have flared gonions then consider super lucky because it's a crazy looks boost for your jaw.
Flared gonions e.g. Broderick hunter, Ian somerhalder, brad Pitt.
View attachment 4908257 look at Brad's lower third, his corners are protruding outwards. These are called the flared gonions. Now, not everyone has a jaw that prominent and wide but you might still have flared gonions with a narrow jaw
I Have flared gonions and they're a massive boost to my facial aesthetics. It shows that something is going on with your jaw rather than being plain and flat.
Now, if you do not have the flared type and they're Straight , then you're in the middle of good and bad. Having straight gonions makes you unable to have any halo for the corners of your jaw.
View attachment 4908286Now time for inward gonions, if you have inward gonions it's over for you boyo. You're gonna get only negative points for your jaw if you have them.
Inward gonions makes your jaw look extra narrow and rounded. A point, if you have high set massaters and extreme massater hypertrophy, but straight gonions then they might look inward because high set massaters significantly nerf you. We'll get into the topic of that later on. For now, if you're done diagnosing your gonions and evaluated that you have any of the 3 types, we'll get into portions like - mandibular plane angle, gonial angle, ramus length, frontal angle.

Optimal angles/ lengths:
Now we hop into portions of lengths for your jaw. Most people prioritise their ramus and gonial angles over their mandibular plane angle which is a big mistake. The more acutely your mandibular plane angle goes makes you look better and compact.
View attachment 4908333 A good example for a good mandibular plane angle is Henry cavill. Look at his jaw, it's especially squared off because of his mandibular plane angle being low. And that makes him look especially more masculine than anyone else who has a higher mandibular plane angle. The ideal angle generally ranges from 25° to 30°.
If you have a very obtuse mandibular plane angle, it most likely means that you're deformed, underdeveloped and downgrown and it's over for you. Then we get into less significant portions but still important, such as gonial angle and ramus length. Having a tall ramus is optimal like Paul Wesley and Tyler Maher, but we live in modern times and long ramuses are especially rare jfl since everybody is so recessed. If you have a super short ramus then you definitely have inward gonions and high set massaters with it and look subhumanoid.
View attachment 4908354But a good example is Sean o pry whose ramus is towards the shorter side but still mogs because of his good mandibular plane angle. And his gonions are also a bit rounded but he manages to pull it off with this other top tier features. But ofc you aren't Sean o so you're gonna end up subhumanoid if you don't have the ideal lengths jfl. Now for gonial angle it's an extra portion, if you have a obtuse gonial angle then it's most likely that you're a bit downgrown but some people have a bad gonial angle but have optimal forward and upward growth. And those people mog hard but it's more likely that you're downgrown if you have a obtuse gonial angle. An obtuse gonial angle makes you look tired, restless and generally weird and unhealthy lookin, and it's over jfl. The ideal gonial angle is generally between 115° to 130°.

Why softmaxxing isn't working?(massater training)
One of the most used softmax is jaw training. Now, most of these don't work but massater training is something that works. It makes your jaw wider and fuller which is what everyone wants right? But it doesn't work for everyone because of having high set massaters. If your massater muscles are more towards your zygos(up) and not towards your gonions(down) then if you chew bad train your massaters, you'll end up looking round and stupid. Most people who have high set massaters generally have short ramuses and inward gonions. So, if you have high set massaters and you are training your massaters, PLEASE stop! Don't do it and end up chopped. Hop on relaxing your massaters instead and pray to gandy jfl. But if you have low set massaters, consider yourself lucky cause you can easily get the flared gonion look with chewing. Most people have medium set massaters so there's nothing good or bad about it, it's totally dependent on your other ratios determining if you mog or not.
Now let's get into a more advanced portion, chewing doesn't always make you magically ascend. Some people end up bloated after massater training, if you're experiencing this then it means that you most likely have dental malocclusions. Get to your dentist asap and get this fixed or it's over for you, but more importantly some people generally have a wide alveolar ridge making them unable to have proper hollow cheeks, and paired with canine fossa that aren't deep makes em subhumanoid. And also, if you aren't chewing properly you're signalling your bones to remodel in a different asymmetrical way and then you'll end up subhumanoid. On top of that shitty massater training methods are gonna give you TMJ issues then you become even more subhuman and then if you're still on growth stages, massater overuse is gonna give you downward growth which is the opposite of what you want(CCW rotation) so generally stop massater training if you can't do it properly, or just keep doing it if you wanna descend and look like a subhuman jfl.
Extra portion: most people have narrow lips and it gives them an unideal midface ratio, it's not about the soft tissue. It's actually your palate, the wider your palate is the wider your lips are gonna look, and wider mouth is a big halo because it makes your face more balanced.

End stuff, among the stuff I mentioned, you probably have multiple of those stuff and please stop coping cause most of these are unfixable without surgery. So instead of buying stupid zygo tapes, save your money for BSSO, lefort and implants instead jfl.
Either way, if you read till this portion and didn't DNR, thanks a lot and I hope you ascend buddy boyo---- peace!​

thank you saar ji