Prime age as in mentally right, since according to science women are peak in early 20s and you agree it could be your physical favorite. Do you prefer 14-17 mentally because of their mental, or rather because you are frustrated with the mental of early 20s?
hmm, i guess i am frustrated with the fact that women in early 20's have been pumped and dumped several times and are bitter and jaded
Do u have any personal experience with that
tbh no. but i've noticed the behavior when im around others
What makes you sure that current teens also aren't the same?
lots are, but to a lesser degree, also girls who are virgins are better girlfriends
Would you take a 25 year old virgin over a 14 year old non virgin if both were equal in looks tier?
tough question. if we're talking about marriage then yeah probably
What makes it tough doe, the older woman is more fertile and a virgin. Is it the surrounding environment she's in that would concern you?
i think women are most physically attractive late teens and early 20's. if i get a girl at 25 i missed out on her in her prime
First love is the strongest because you don't have comparison-material. If you've had many partners before, you are more likely to see your current partner as 'just another one' that can easily be replaced.
Love at first sight is rare asf anyways, just as invaluable as not being first love because that's what ends up happening anyways. If anything, wouldn't those with more partners before have a better chance since love at first sight is so rare?
because this was a thread dedicated to jb foids so it doesn't make sense to use young boys
Old point (?) But I was speaking about the people who post pics of prepub girls in general
1995 statistics me, good luck finding even a virgin 14 year old in 2021
jfl come on now. 14 year old virgins do exist. they're just rare
They weren't in 1995 for sure
None of them were rlly my type
I like big boobs and I cannot lie
Scientifically women are most fertile from 16-21
fairs
What are you British?
no im american
Estrogen reaches peak at 24 tho
And testosterone peaks at 18 but you see further development past then. Your point?
Test peaks at 24 too lol
How exactly do I have a misunderstanding? And no testosterone peaks at 18-19.
Source?
Edited, yea t peaks at 18-19 ur right, but what further development r u talking about
A lot of mens voice changes keep changing even in their 30s and sound more "masculine" Another example of this would be body and facial hair sometimes not appearing in life until late 20s. Iirc clavicle doesn't stop growing until mid 20s.
Arent those syrians who survived a siege ?
Not relevant to fertility
Late blooming ie outlier
Not relevant to fertility
Not relevant to fertility
Not sure what you're trying to say here. You asked what I meant and I clarified.
? That the most fertile women are 24
They are fertile most in late teens and early 20s.
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First study: The aggregated data show a J-shaped curve for the age distribution of maternal mortality, with a slightly increased risk of mortality in adolescents compared with women aged 20–24 years (maternal mortality ratio 260 [uncertainty 100–410] vs 190 [120–260] maternal deaths per 100 000 livebirths for all 144 countries combined)They are fertile most in late teens and early 20s.
Maternal mortality in adolescents compared with women of other ages: evidence from 144 countries
Adolescents are often noted to have an increased risk of death during pregnancy or childbirth compared with older women, but the existing evidence is …www.sciencedirect.com
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Growth plates in women close at 16 and sometimes even younger. Women also sexually mature faster than women, so it would make no sense that female fertility is greatest at 24 when male test peaks at 18-19.
Age ranges of epiphyseal fusion in the distal tibia and fibula of contemporary males and females - PubMed
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Men are attracted to neotenies features in women, the biggest being skin integrity. Glycation of collagen and elastin breakdown begins at 2 years old. By 25 there is noticeable facial fat loss in women. Skin is also the biggest indicator of age past developmental stage.
Neoteny in humans - Wikipedia
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Advanced glycation end products: Key players in skin aging?
Aging is the progressive accumulation of damage to an organism over time leading to disease and death. Aging research has been very intensive in the last years aiming at characterizing the pathophysiology of aging and finding possibilities to fight age-related ...Characteristics of the Aging Skin
Although most researches into the changes in skin with age focus on the unwelcome aesthetic aspects of the aging skin, skin deterioration with age is more than a merely cosmetic problem. Although mortality from skin disease is primarily restricted to ...
Fertility =\= development, I've already told you this dude. Estrogen is what mediates puberty, so it might actually makes sense why women finish puberty before they reach peak estrogen. Remember t gets converted to e to close growth plates, and women have a lot more e than men clearly.
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Ok but its at its peak at 24, and everyone knows right before decline it means peak. By 25 women start to decline in collagen. I didn't see 2 years old in the study. Keep in mind estrogen is highly anti aging for women and its highest at 24 like I said
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
First study: The aggregated data show a J-shaped curve for the age distribution of maternal mortality, with a slightly increased risk of mortality in adolescents compared with women aged 20–24 years (maternal mortality ratio 260 [uncertainty 100–410] vs 190 [120–260] maternal deaths per 100 000 livebirths for all 144 countries combined)
Second study: This emphasis on young adult women may be warranted because women's fecundity is generally highest between 18 and 25 years of age, at least in Western societies (Balasch, 2010; Wood, 1989).
Fecundity means fertility if you look it up, and you said they're most fertile starting from late teens when actually it starts from adulthood
Third study: The women were divided into four age groups -- 19-26, 27-29, 30-34 and 35-39.
My guy this doesn't even include pubescent girls in the study.
Fertility =\= development, I've already told you this dude. Estrogen is what mediates puberty, so it might actually makes sense why women finish puberty before they reach peak estrogen. Remember t gets converted to e to close growth plates, and women have a lot more e than men clearly.
The role of estrogen in bone growth and maturation during childhood and adolescence - PubMed
Twenty years ago it was believed that pubertal growth was stimulated by testicular androgen in boys and by adrenal androgen in girls. Estrogen, which was used to inhibit growth in excessively tall girls, was not thought to have growth-promoting effects. We hypothesized that estrogen has a...
Ok but its at its peak at 24, and everyone knows right before decline it means peak. By 25 women start to decline in collagen. I didn't see 2 years old in the study. Keep in mind estrogen is highly anti aging for women and its highest at 24 like I said
Baseless claim, don't try to fit it to ur narrative, they prob have that 18-25 age range for a reason. Btw 16-21 is my fav age group but I am being completely objective
Pubescent means in puberty. Your original claim saying 16-21 is flat out wrong and it's good that you're backing out from it.
... Your fucking study literally fucking says ADULTS (ie past puberty) are the MOST fertile, and YEARS after puberty at that (puberty in females ends at 16) Call my claims stupid when they aren't even my own but instead are from your own fucking sources lmfao.
Remember you mentioned other stuff that men keep developing past puberty? Like voice depth, clavicles etc? There's a linear relationship with age and hip breadth, estrogen increases until mid-late 20s actually, voice also deepens in women until age 30, etc.
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Who am I going to trust, multiple articles that say it's due to higher estrogen, or a .me autist who always answers with "muh hypergamy" to everything?
Read the one I sent above
So actually there's many differing claims of when collagen starts to decline, but most seem to say 25, this dermatologist says 25
www.cedars-sinai.org
Please stop enforcing your personal preferences as fact, and please stop being so emotional in general.
"Several reports suggest positive correlations between the levels of circulating estrogens and: (1) perceived age, (2) attractiveness, (3) enhanced skin health, and (4) facial coloration in women."
"Even though most people stop growing in height by the time they hit age 20, researchers have found evidence that the hip bones can keep growing even as people enter their 70s."Baseless claim, don't try to fit it to ur narrative, they prob have that 18-25 age range for a reason. Btw 16-21 is my fav age group but I am being completely objective
Pubescent means in puberty. Your original claim saying 16-21 is flat out wrong and it's good that you're backing out from it.
... Your fucking study literally fucking says ADULTS (ie past puberty) are the MOST fertile, and YEARS after puberty at that. Call my claims stupid when they aren't even my own but instead are from your own fucking sources lmfao.
Remember you mentioned other stuff that men keep developing past puberty? Like voice depth, clavicles etc? There's a linear relationship with age and hip breadth, estrogen increases until mid-late 20s actually, voice also deepens in women until age 30, etc.
A review of the role of estrogen in dermal aging and facial attractiveness in women - PubMed
Estrogens are known to have protective and favorable influences on skin health; conversely, androgens oppose the actions of estrogens. Estrogen's chemical messages are transmitted via the classical nuclear hormone estrogen receptors (ER) alpha and beta and the rapid-acting G-coupled membrane...Big Fat Truth: Hip Bones Widen With Age
It's not just fat that may bump you up a few pant sizes as you age.www.livescience.com
Who am I going to trust, multiple articles that say it's due to higher estrogen, or a .me autist who always answers with "muh hypergamy" to everything?
Read the one I sent above
So actually there's many differing claims of when collagen starts to decline, but most seem to say 25, this dermatologist says 25
Collagen for Your Skin: Healthy or Hype? | Cedars-Sinai
Taking collagen supplements to help your skin look more youthful is a popular beauty trend. But do collagen products really work? Dermatologist Dr. Ohara Aivaz weighs in on the latest skin care products.
Please stop enforcing your personal preferences as fact, and please stop being so emotional in general.
"Several reports suggest positive correlations between the levels of circulating estrogens and: (1) perceived age, (2) attractiveness, (3) enhanced skin health, and (4) facial coloration in women."
Also u notice how everything starts to decline in women once estrogen does?
No nigga just like how u said deep male voices peak at 35 even tho that's way past prime. U asked what could women possibly develop past puberty that makes them more attractive, and I answered it. U are highly estrogenic person and illogical I wish I was debating @personalityinkwell instead rn but I made a vow not to"Even though most people stop growing in height by the time they hit age 20, researchers have found evidence that the hip bones can keep growing even as people enter their 70s."
So what now, 70 is prime because they have the largest hips?
Yes, but like you said, they don't relate directly to fertility. Also jfl at the ad hominin muh estrogenic. I showed scientific articles probing that skin aging started at 20 years old (youthful skin being one of the main things men are attracted to), which you denied. Then you literally linked a .com page instead of a scholarly article to prove your point. And then you claim estrogen is the sole cause of skin aging despite it actual being glycation and ROS?
Ok but u literally asked me what could be more attractive past development and I literally answered it, nothing more nothing less.
I did not deny, it's just that there's several different claims about collagen (also outline what u said in the study). Apparently ur study said 20, most sites, dermatologists, etc say 25:
Please cite where I said this. Throughout the entire discussion you've been making claims about me that I haven't even made.
