JCTHECATALYST do you think working out is crucial?

[jcthecatalyst]

I’m seeing a lot of people on here feeling hopeless like they can’t self improve. My question is do you think working out is important? Do you personally work out? If you don’t why not?

 

[mortis]

i used to do it for 1 years and half but when i saw high body fat 5'8 chad and how girls killed for him, that was the moment i understood its all about the face and stopped working out.

 

[jcthecatalyst]

i used to do it for 1 years and half but when i saw high body fat 5'8 chad and how girls killed for him, that was the moment i understood its all about the face and stopped working out.

Ok. But you do realize that testosterone during developing years influencers your facial structure? Also promotes human growth hormone for height development. So essentially if you didn’t work out while going through puberty there’s a possibility that you missed out on a human growth hormone boost.

 

[mortis]

Ok. But you do realize that testosterone during developing years influencers your facial structure? Also promotes human growth hormone for height development. So essentially if you didn’t work out while going through puberty there’s a possibility that you missed out on a human growth hormone boost.

i only believe in genetics tbh

 

[jcthecatalyst]

i only believe in genetics tbh

Would it be accurate that you would disregard any scientific and medical data that proves otherwise? Including epigenetics. I’m actually going to have a geneticist on my LIVE in the coming weeks.

 

[hennypapi]

ur the fuckin nerd runnin the lookism tiktok account

 

[volcelfatcel]

Ok. But you do realize that testosterone during developing years influencers your facial structure? Also promotes human growth hormone for height development. So essentially if you didn’t work out while going through puberty there’s a possibility that you missed out on a human growth hormone boost.

testosterone in puberty helps to further amplify your features and develop from prenatal Testosterone which quite literally determines everything
example Jordan Barrett:

extremely wide face, high FWHR, naturally thick neck as he DOES not workout, extreme forward growth.

 

[Growth Plate]

does fucking every attractive girl you know count as a workout dedsrs .

 

[jcthecatalyst]

testosterone in puberty helps to further amplify your features and develop from prenatal Testosterone which quite literally determines everything
example Jordan Barrett:
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extremely wide face, high FWHR, naturally thick neck as he DOES not workout, extreme forward growth.

No he does prenatal testosterone helps. But that’s not the only factor. Where he mouth breathed, chewed hard food, also significantly influences your development. Using one example is not evidence enough. We have to use actual controlled studies.

Here’s one of Several sources I have from the US Government medical data base.

Male Obesity-related Secondary Hypogonadism – Pathophysiology, Clinical Implications and Management

The single most significant risk factor for testosterone deficiency in men is obesity. The pathophysiological mechanisms involved in male obesity-related secondary hypogonadism are highly complex. Obesity-induced increase in levels of leptin, insulin, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[volcelfatcel]

No he does prenatal testosterone helps. But that’s not the only factor. Where he mouth breathed, chewed hard food, also significantly influences your development. Using one example is not evidence enough. We have to use actual controlled studies.

Here’s one of Several sources I have from the US Government medical data base.

Male Obesity-related Secondary Hypogonadism – Pathophysiology, Clinical Implications and Management

The single most significant risk factor for testosterone deficiency in men is obesity. The pathophysiological mechanisms involved in male obesity-related secondary hypogonadism are highly complex. Obesity-induced increase in levels of leptin, insulin, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Evidence on the contrary also exists, It really comes down to mostly genetics and exposure to androgens in the womb with strong genetics trumping nutrition.

This guy was also borderline anorexic and if not actually anorexic with how little shits he gave during puberty jfl.
At age 10 began smoking marijuana, staying up all night, and sleeping in cemeteries. Grew up in impoverished hispanic community in El Paso Texas. Would only eat junk food, never played sports after age 10 when he wasn't allowed to due to his epilepsy. As a bonus he was also a mouthbreather. Grew to 6'2 massive frame
Has more bone in his face than most people in this forum have in their whole body.

Sean O'Pry displays same traits as Jordan Barrett (less pronounced) and is probably on the autism spectrum by the way he behaves (side effect of high prenatal T is potential to have autistic tendencies)

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Evidence on the contrary also exists, It really comes down to mostly genetics and exposure to androgens in the womb with strong genetics trumping nutrition.

Can you give me the study you are drawing your conclusion from?

 

[volcelfatcel]

Can you give me the study you are drawing your conclusion from?

Prenatal testosterone exposure is related to sexually dimorphic facial morphology in adulthood

Prenatal testosterone may have a powerful masculinizing effect on postnatal physical characteristics. However, no study has directly tested this hypothesis. Here, we report a 20-year follow-up study that measured testosterone concentrations from the umbilical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Androgen exposure, determine dick size and other dimorphic features that get amplified and shown by testosterone exposure during puberty. Not enough studies about this matter though but yes Prenatal Testosterone is quite literally what makes a face manly and dimorphic and it's why FTM could be juiced on literal bodybuilder t levels but they won't be growing browridges and other shit because of it.

More androgen exposure = more dimorphic stronger features, high fwhr, wide face etc.

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Prenatal Testosterone is quite literally what makes a face manly and dimorphic and it's why FTM could be juiced on literal bodybuilder t levels but they won't be growing browridges and other shit because of it.

What was your perspective of the medical study i presented with the rise of hypogonadism?

 

[volcelfatcel]

What was your perspective of the medical study i presented with the rise of hypogonadism?

Evidence for both sides exist, i'm merely pointing out observations and making my own conclusions to what I think: most of it really comes down to genetics, even androgen receptors come down to it areas with higher androgen receptors may be more dimorphic. Obesity could increase estrogen but famous models and stars like:

David Gandy who was fat and bullied throughout teen years still became a terachad, he does not have a singular picture of his teen years probably because of embarassment

Henry Cavill also fat during teen years

Hernan Drago who was also bullied for being fat during his teen years

This guy from love island

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Evidence for both sides exist, i'm merely pointing out observations and making my own conclusions to what I think

Would it be accurate to say that instead of acknowledging data that the scientific community has stated which partially contradicts your theory of absolutism of it being all genetics. You instead have drawn your own conclusions with using observations of uncontrolled and not fully formed data?

Mouth is of the biggest damages that has been happening in the last 300 years. Here’s another scientific that contradicts your belief that is entirely genetics. Your habits have such an influence on your facial development

https://dentistrytoday.com/news/ind...der-foods-leads-to-stronger-jawbone-formation

 

[volcelfatcel]

Would it be accurate to say that instead of acknowledging data that the scientific community has stated which partially contradicts your theory of absolutism of it being all genetics. You instead have drawn your own conclusions with using observations of uncontrolled and not fully formed data?

Mouth is of the biggest damages that has been happening in the last 300 years. Here’s another scientific that contradicts your belief that is entirely genetics. Your habits have such an influence on your facial development

https://dentistrytoday.com/news/ind...der-foods-leads-to-stronger-jawbone-formation

Again i think genetics still matter a lot even for growing a jaw, how much does your jawbone grow and react to chewing shit is dependent on genetics, how do you react to androgen receptors making your face dimorphic aka widen the jaw, how are the androgen receptors are located.

That's where ill give in and say environment matters but not as much as you think.

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Again i think genetics still matter a lot

never said genetics didn’t matter. I simply said your habits have a huge influence on facial development as well. What did you think when you ready the second scientific study I just sent?

also here is a picture (click on the image to see the progression of mouth breathing over years) of a child from a study on mouth breathing. Bad tongue posture can also lead to a terrible jawline.

 

[volcelfatcel]

never said genetics didn’t matter. I simply said your habits have a huge influence on facial development as well. What did you think when you ready the second scientific study I just sent?

also here is a picture (click on the image to see the progression of mouth breathing over years) of a child from a study on mouth breathing. Bad tongue posture can also lead to a terrible jawline.

Oh yeah for sure, I don't deny environmental. My opinion on environment is having an estrogen free environment and getting protein in during your growth years, proper nutrition and less estrogen rather than mewing and tongue posture.

Mouth breathing yeah I don't deny it either, some people don't get affected by it like Richard Ramirez but general consensus is that it's real

 

[Alexanderr]

Here’s another scientific that contradicts your belief that is entirely genetics. Your habits have such an influence on your facial development

https://dentistrytoday.com/news/ind...der-foods-leads-to-stronger-jawbone-formation

Alright but to what extent? Is the change significant for the everyday person yes or no?

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Alright but to what extent? Is the change significant for the everyday person yes or no?

Yes. It’s actually considered an epidemic right now. Because of the post industry movement. If you know my Tik Tok. I’m currently talking with dentists and doctors about this. Check out how much mouth breathing can change a face over time. I have government back studies if you need to read.

 

[Alexanderr]

I’m seeing a lot of people on here feeling hopeless like they can’t self improve. My question is do you think working out is important? Do you personally work out? If you don’t why not?

Yes, working out is crucial and incredibly beneficial aesthetic wise and health wise. I’d say most people here share the same consensus and those who don’t are generally the type of people you wouldn’t want to be arguing with anyway.

 

[Rabbi]

Working out matters inb4 copers say otherwise.
I think working out in my teens aided in my facial development even though I was borderline dying at one point.

 

[jcthecatalyst]

ur the fuckin nerd runnin the lookism tiktok account

Lol yeah. Just like Jeff Nippard. His science based body building videos is what got me started on my journey.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

I'm 6'7" and didn't play a single sport until I grew to 6'7" (which was when I was 14). I think it's entirely genetics. I also have a very low appetite so I ate less than 2000 calories per day. I need to take MK677 just to eat enough during my bulks.

Working out is crucial for appeal though. I looked like a twig and very gangly when I was skinny but now look intimidating.

 

[jcthecatalyst]

I'm 6'7" and didn't play a single sport until I grew to 6'7" (which was when I was 14). I think it's entirely genetics.

Do you feel using yourself as an example and disregarding that the medical field has stated would be an accurate depiction to display facts.
Source: (Government Based)

Is height determined by genetics?: MedlinePlus Genetics

Inherited gene variants play a large role in determining height. Other factors like nutrition and health can also impact how tall a child will be as an adult.

medlineplus.gov

 

[RoundHouse]

My question is do you think working out is important? Do you personally work out

Yes and yes

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Do you feel using yourself as an example and disregarding that the medical field has stated would be an accurate depiction to display facts.
Source: (Government Based)

Is height determined by genetics?: MedlinePlus Genetics

Inherited gene variants play a large role in determining height. Other factors like nutrition and health can also impact how tall a child will be as an adult.

medlineplus.gov

Just because something is the current medical understanding doesn't mean it's true, especially when it's all based on pure speculation. Out of all the tall people I've met, none of them have done anything differently. You can't use diet or environment as almost everyone in developed countries has an adequate diet and environment.

It's easy to take someone who's medically malnourished or has a pituitary gland condition and use them as an example of why height isn't fully genetic, but the vast majority of people don't fall into those groups. Therefore, in a first world country, height is entirely genetic with the exception of some medical conditions.

 

[Deleted member 7192]

Yes anyone who says otherwise is genuinely autistic, it shouldn't even be a argument because the whole purpose of this site is to MAXIMIZE your looks

So it's a must, anyone who disagrees is just lazy

 

[Luke LLL]

5'8 chad

 

[SPFromNY914]

I'm 6'7" and didn't play a single sport until I grew to 6'7" (which was when I was 14). I think it's entirely genetics. I also have a very low appetite so I ate less than 2000 calories per day. I need to take MK677 just to eat enough during my bulks.

Working out is crucial for appeal though. I looked like a twig and very gangly when I was skinny but now look intimidating.

How are you fucking 6'7 and intimidating but on this forum? You should be outside slaying niqqua wtf

 

[Deleted member 7725]

How are you fucking 6'7 and intimidating but on this forum? You should be outside slaying niqqua wtf

Ugly (apparently average now) and mentalcel/non-NT from years of bullying.

 

[tyronelite]

Prenatal testosterone exposure is related to sexually dimorphic facial morphology in adulthood

Prenatal testosterone may have a powerful masculinizing effect on postnatal physical characteristics. However, no study has directly tested this hypothesis. Here, we report a 20-year follow-up study that measured testosterone concentrations from the umbilical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Androgen exposure, determine dick size and other dimorphic features that get amplified and shown by testosterone exposure during puberty. Not enough studies about this matter though but yes Prenatal Testosterone is quite literally what makes a face manly and dimorphic and it's why FTM could be juiced on literal bodybuilder t levels but they won't be growing browridges and other shit because of it.

More androgen exposure = more dimorphic stronger features, high fwhr, wide face etc.

You’re right. Even though I was skinny fat as a teen, never played sports or lifted weights, jacked off constantly through puberty, genetics saved my ass

Now at age 25 im doing my best to reverse the damage done.

 

[volcelfatcel]

You’re right. Even though I was skinny fat as a teen, never played sports or lifted weights, jacked off constantly through puberty, genetics saved my ass

Now at age 25 im doing my best to reverse the damage done.

Indeed, it's all genetics and androgen exposure in the womb.

Not really much else to do besides lifting tbh, you have 99th percentile height and dick size which most people would dream to have.

 

[tyronelite]

Indeed, it's all genetics and androgen exposure in the womb.

Not really much else to do besides lifting tbh, you have 99th percentile height and dick size which most people would dream to have.

I’d rather have the face of Broderick hunter & be slightly shorter tbh. My dad has a great eye area but genetic recombination gave me my mothers prey eyes

Meanwhile my younger brother has this eye area



I’m happy for him tho he got better facial structur & wide frame. Overall better genetic recombination

 

[CurlyHairBarret]

I’m seeing a lot of people on here feeling hopeless like they can’t self improve. My question is do you think working out is important? Do you personally work out? If you don’t why not?

Oh hey bro you probably dont remember me but we knew each other on tiktok i was lul777,
and to answer your question i do high intensity intermittent bike sprinting but most of my T increase comes from nofap, sun exposure, proper diet, icing my balls, and wim hof breathing to lower cortisol, pls reccomend more things

 

[jcthecatalyst]

Oh hey bro you probably dont remember me but we knew each other on tiktok i was lul777,
and to answer your question i do high intensity intermittent bike sprinting but most of my T increase comes from nofap, sun exposure, proper diet, icing my balls, and wim hof breathing to lower cortisol, pls reccomend more things

Nofap was scientifically proven to increase testosterone after the 8th day but unfortunately no matter what levels went back down to normal. Porn addiction is something else though. Be careful not wearing sunscreen during sun exposure. It can lead to significant aging. Wim Hof breathing is great. Meditation can lower cortisol levels and garlic can help manage levels as well. Icing balls increases sperm level but there’s little to no research supporting it increasing testosterone. Sperm and testosterone are not the same.