jesus was a deceiver

[yandex99]

jesus explains why he speaks in parables to the commoners and the reason is 'so that, “’they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’”

mark 4:12

 

[yandex99]

A Most Difficult Passage

On Saturday I preached on Mark 4:1-20 and the parables of the soils. Here is how I tried to explain what is arguably the hardest truth found in Mark’s gospel: Mark 4:10 says, “those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables.” Jesus had already mentioned the parable of the soils...

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to play devil's advocate and not give a one sided view

 

[yandex99]

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Because the Christians' scriptures portray YHWH and Jesus as deceitful and unreliable, accepting that one or both of them are the Christian Scriptures' authors still suggests that the Christians' scriptures are unworthy of trust.
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I resubmit this argument with a better title and some minor improvement.

Before I present my argument, I will define some key terms.

An entity who is deceitful is an entity who, through various ways, not necessarily including lying, deceives people, by which is meant makes people believe one thing to be true when another thing is true.

An entity who is unreliable is an entity who, through various actions and inactions, reveals emself to be less than 100% trustworthy. Such untrustworthiness, which may arise through ignorance and other failings rather than through malice, includes untrustworthiness about factual situations, a general inconstancy, and tardiness in promised actions.

People, in general, do not trust claims made entities who are deceitful and unreliable, unless the people are very naive or have ways to corroborate such claims.

I begin my argument proper by acknowledging that the Christians' scriptures assert that YHWH cannot lie (Titus 1:2). However, these same scriptures portray YHWH as deceiving people (1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22, Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, Ezekiel 14:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:11). Because these scriptures also claim that YHWH is unchanging (James 1:17), it follows that a YHWH who was once deceitful (1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22, Jeremiah 4:10, Jeremiah 20:7, Ezekiel 14:9) and in future will be deceitful (2 Thessalonians 2:11) is still deceitful.

Jesus, also, as presented within the Christians' scriptures, deceives people - albeit not through lying. Rather, he deceives people by speaking publicly only in parables so that he can conceal from people how to be saved - because he wants them to be damned! (GMark 4:10-12; cf., GMark 1:15, GMark 16:16, GJohn 15:6 in order to learn about the consequences of not accepting Jesus's message - which in turn requires understanding his message). The Christians' scriptures also assert that Jesus was and is unchanging (Hebrews 13:8), meaning that because Jesus was deceitful, he is and will be deceitful.

Because both YHWH and Jesus are portrayed within the Christians' scriptures as deceitful, it follows that what they wrote cannot be trusted by the non-naive unless we have corroboration.

The Christians' scriptures also portray YHWH as unreliable, in that YHWH is portrayed as sometimes saying that he never changes his mind (Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, Psalm 110:4, Ezekiel 24:14), at other times as saying that he changes his mind (Genesis 6:6, Exodus 32:11-14, Judges 2:18, 1 Samuel 15:11, 35, 2 Samuel 24:1-16, 1 Chronicles 21:1-15, Isaiah 38:1-5, Jonah 3:3-10, Amos 7:1-3, Amos 7:4-6, Jeremiah 15:6) and providing instructions about how people can get him to change his mind (Jeremiah 18:8, Jeremiah 26:3, Jeremiah 26:13, Jeremiah 26:19, Jeremiah 42:10). As another example of YHWH's unreliability, YHWH promised to destroy all Canaanites so that the Israelites could settle the land (Deuteronomy 7:1, Deuteronomy 7:23-24, Deuteronomy 31:3, Joshua 1:3-5, Joshua 3:10, Joshua 17:18, Joshua 21:43-45) - but he did not do so (Judges 1:19, Judges 3:1-5). Because these scriptures also claim that YHWH is unchanging (James 1:17), it follows that a YHWH who once was once unreliable remains unreliable.

Jesus, also, as presented within the Christians' scriptures, is also unreliable. He gives false claims about the smallest seed in the world (GMatthew 13:31-32, GMark 4:31), incorrectly claims that the Kingdom of God will arise before some of the people listening to him preach have died (GLuke 9:22-27, GMatthew 16:27-28, GMark 9:1), and admits that he does not know everything about YHWH's plans (GMatthew 24:36). This last admission is especially undermining to Jesus's reliability because it leaves open the possibility that Jesus is similar to a lying spirit sent by YHWH (cf., 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22) - sent forth into the world in order to deceive people. The Christians' scriptures also assert that Jesus was and is unchanging (Hebrews 13:8), meaning that because Jesus was unreliable, he is and will be unreliable.

EDITED IN ORDER TO ADD: Jesus, also, as presented within the Christians' scriptures, either deceives people through lying or reveals his unreliability through a situation easily understandable as a lie. He either lies when he claims that or reveals his unreliability when, despite claiming that he will not attend a feast, he attends a feast in secret (GJohn 7:8-10). The Christians' scriptures also assert that Jesus was and is unchanging (Hebrews 13:8), meaning that because Jesus was lying or unreliable in this incident, he is and will be lying or unreliable in all incidents.

Because both YHWH and Jesus are portrayed within the Christians' scriptures as unreliable, it follows that what they wrote cannot be trusted by the non-naive unless we have corroboration.

Christians may claim that we have corroboration from various sources. Such sources themselves, however, can be challenged - and in any case, such an argument does not address this argument's central point about why the Christians' scriptures, if written by YHWH and/or Jesus, are not worthy of trust because their authors are portrayed within the Christians' scriptures as not worthy of trust.https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/usml45/because_the_christians_scriptures_portray_yhwh/

 

[Deleted member 141642]

Dnr but Jesus, his father and that cucked religion should die out as soon as it can. It morally destroyed Europe

 

[kurd]

Dnr but Jesus, his father and that cucked religion should die out as soon as it can. It morally destroyed Europe

@yandex99 nigga did you troll me

 

[Deleted member 141642]

@yandex99 nigga did you troll me

What, my kigga?

 

[kurd]

What, my kigga?

This nigga yandex was trying to convince me to become christian but all his threads are about how christianity is shit

 

[Michelangelo]

another day another jew's thread

 

[nuisance]

jesus explains why he speaks in parables to the commoners and the reason is 'so that, “’they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’”

mark 4:12

It means parables both reveal and conceal they invite the humble but confuse the hard-hearted.

baloney? Idk but I am hard-hearted

to me it seems like punishing people who can think

 

[Ascensions101]

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