JFL If You Believe In The "Uyghur Genocide" Narrative

[Deleted member 5189]

Yeah it's an interesting dynamic, basically the Jews helped the communists rise to power in China and have aided them but under Xi, China has taken a Nationalist turn and has been promoting Chinese interests and has helped Iran much to the chagrin of the Zionists. China knows the US is under Jewish control and is being subverted and weakened through Jewish promotion of feminism, lgbtidgaf, degeneracy, etc and doesn't want the same to happen to them. The Jews thought they could use China but have met their match with Xi and Chinese Nationalism which is why they are advancing the "Ughur Genocide" to turn public opinion against China and take them out. I'd take the Chinese since they not promoting degeneracy. Basically right now you have Iran, China, Russia vs the Jew World Order.

In a Jewish world I feel like it's more easier for the people to rise up. I like iran but I don't like the China and Russian government

 

[Wallenberg]

They probably are, I don't deny that the Uyghurs are likely facing harassment and discrimination in China, much the same way minority groups all throughout the world are facing discrimination and harassment. I just don't think that's an issue worthy of going to war about and quite frankly it's not the business of the US which is world's leading humans right abuser to be lecturing the rest of the world about human rights.

West isn't going to war with China, don't worry.

 

[Troika]

There are no photos, and the eyewitnesses are CIA shills with many gaps and contradictions in their stories.

One example

CNN manipulates passport photo to conceal contradictions in Uyghur "whistleblower" testimony: after raping and torturing her, the CCP issues her a 10-year passport so she can travel abroad and tell CNN

That's interesting.

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

In a Jewish world I feel like it's more easier for the people to rise up. I like iran but I don't like the China and Russian government

It's really hard to say what is actually going on behind the scenes but given all the anti China and anti Russia propaganda coming from the media it seems to reason that China and Russia aren't puppets. Putin and Xi are both nationalists who want to promote their own respective nationalist interests. Iran's gov is definitely much more based than either one and is the biggest threat to Zionist interests which is why for 40 years there has been nothing but anti Iran propaganda everywhere. Iran is what's standing in the way of a greater Isr*el.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

just another fabrication by the same storytellers who came up with the Holohoax. Jews can come up with any lie and people will believe them. hur dur Saddam has nukes, hur dur Iran is trying to get nukes meanwhile Isr*el actually has Nukes and has threatened to use them but of course nothing to see there. The same people who declared War on Islam and have killed millions of Muslims and smeared the name of every Muslim on the planet as a "terrorist" now want you to believe that they care about Muslims jfl.

We are living a new holocaust in the middle of the 21st century but now the difference is pretty clear, they didn't help the jews because they are loving creatures, they did it because it bringed them political benefits

Helping the Uyghur won't give them political or economical benefits so they don't help them, suddenly the west stopped being loving creatures, same we can probably say about some of the western puppets we have in our countries

May Allah curse the chinese goverment and give them the worst of punishments, and May Allah rescue and help and reward our Uyghur brothers and sisters and all muslims in general

All my muslim brothers say amen to the dua'a, and make dua'a for all muslims

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Because Muslims know the "Uyghur Genocide" is another Zionist hoax. Every Muslim country sides with China. All the puppet Zionist Western Countries who have killed millions of Muslims and declared a war on Islam are the ones spreading the "Ugyhur Genocide" hoax.

Dayouth

 

[Wallenberg]

West is going to war with China, don't worry.

I meant isn't.

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

May allah humilate you in this life and the after life.

Don't say that akhi, he looks like he is muslim

 

[Deleted member 10987]

They probably are, I don't deny that the Uyghurs are likely facing harassment and discrimination in China, much the same way minority groups all throughout the world are facing discrimination and harassment. I just don't think that's an issue worthy of going to war about and quite frankly it's not the business of the US which is world's leading humans right abuser to be lecturing the rest of the world about human rights.

Fuck US
Fuck Chinks
Fuck Jews
Fuck them all


We dont need anybody

 

[Deleted member 10987]

Don't say that akhi, he looks like he is muslim

But he tolerate people who hate and want to butcher muslims
Chinks deserve no mercy

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

But he tolerate people who hate and want to butcher muslims
Chinks deserve no mercy

No, he is a muslim so better respect him than not, we all sin

May Allah guide him and us too

 

[Deleted member 10987]

No, he is a muslim so better respect him than not, we all sin

May Allah guide him and us too

By saying this we are guiding him
Its for making him knows that chinks will never hesitate to kill his entire family whitout mercy

 

[disillusioned]

This is low IQ tbh. Despite western propaganda being mostly bullshit I don't really have any problem believing that the Chinese are conducting ethnic clenching.

 

[disillusioned]

they didn't help the jews because they are loving creatures, they did it because it bringed them political benefits

They didn't even help the jews. Most jews were turned away from allied countries during WW2 and most people didn't even know about the holocaust until years after the war ended.

 

[Deleted member 9072]

your so retarded
fucken faggot then complains muh sub chad ethnic lviing in west
look at the things you say
you are no muslim

 

[Deleted member 10987]

your so retarded
fucken faggot then complains muh sub chad ethnic lviing in west
look at the things you say
you are no muslim

That retard think the chinks wont put a bulled in his head

 

[Deleted member 5189]

 

[Deleted member 12303]

Are you muslim bro

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

They didn't even help the jews. Most jews were turned away from allied countries during WW2 and most people didn't even know about the holocaust until years after the war ended.

Look at Israel and the unconditional help it gets from countries like the USA, and why? We still don't know

 

[Deleted member 9467]

 

[disillusioned]

Jfl at conservatives forcing the youth to get tattoos and drink alcohol tbh. We truly do live in clown world.

 

[Deleted member 756]

just another fabrication by the same storytellers who came up with the Holohoax. Jews can come up with any lie and people will believe them. hur dur Saddam has nukes, hur dur Iran is trying to get nukes meanwhile Isr*el actually has Nukes and has threatened to use them but of course nothing to see there. The same people who declared War on Islam and have killed millions of Muslims and smeared the name of every Muslim on the planet as a "terrorist" now want you to believe that they care about Muslims jfl.

I agree. It’s a story designed to antagonise people and make people oppose China. It’s a neocon narrative. Either way diplomacy is the best way to approach this not violence and war

 

[johncruz12345]

Yeah. I find it weird how people say that Uighur's are being put in concentration camps because of their religion, when there are literal Uighur celebrity who have no problem with this apparent "mass genocide" of their population. And in China there literally build mosques. It would be counterintuitive to be against islams and still build mosques.

Frankly I think its just a west rhetoric to demonise china. They've done that to every country that opposes them.

 

[HumidVent]

Where the story started, according to Ben Norton and Ajit Singh of Thegrayzone.com (https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/) was on 10th August 2018, in a meeting, independent of the United Nations, Gay McDougall, the only American in the meeting, who was not employed by, or authorised to speak on behalf of the UN, unqualified and inexperienced on Chinese matters told a committee she had heard “credible reports” which she then was unable to provide a source to back up. This information, which was nothing more provable than a rumour, became the source of “credible reports”. A Reuters reporter present at the time reported and, within hours, it was picked up, amplified and spread around the world as a “UN committee states…” Since that day, despite denials from the UN that they actually made this statement, it has become the mantra of the narrative with numbers changing, usually between 1 and 3 million. To date, not one investigator or journalist has been able to show factual or even documentary evidence of any program of incarceration — merely repetitions of this so-called “UN Committee report”. This would be the first, and perhaps most important item that a legally trained mind would conclude casts reasonable doubt on the issue.

Let’s consider why there would be any other reasonable doubts: In every case of genocide in history, there’s been an exodus, hundred, thousands, or even millions of people leave the country, cross borders, usually illegally. seeking safety in other countries. This isn’t happening in Xinjiang or any of the provinces or countries that border the region. When there is genocide going on NGO’s rush to the region, set up camps and help victims, yet not one NGO has made the effort to visit the region, let alone setup aid stations. The last time a representative of UN Human Rights did visit was Louise Arbour the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in 2005. Perhaps this alone should provide a reasonable doubt, but there’s more.

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang making their living selling products, singing, dancing and sharing their lives as vloggers, opinion leaders and influencers on both Chinese and international social media, (go to Google and type the words Uyghur, Dancer, Fruit, if you can read or write Chinese, look at Weibo, Douyin and Bili Bili and you’ll see thousands on the same search words). Of course, because of the aforementioned massive amount of propaganda, the search will reveal many stories and articles related to this alleged genocide, but you will see, there are many young Uyghurs making a good living online, this is hardly likely to happen in a region of oppression. Several Uyghurs have found great fame and popularity inside of China and become known to the world. Many Uyghurs sit in very senior government positions in China, on executive boards and some are international diplomats. The Chairman of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, Xuekeliti Zaker, is also a Uyghur. Entertainment, local governance, central government (The Vice Chairman of the National People’s Congress, Arken Imirbaki is a Uyghur) and even international diplomacy are hardly likely to happen if the region they come from is being systematically oppressed and their people persecuted, casting more doubt on the veracity of claims.

A fact known to every foreigner who lives in China as much as every Chinese person casts more reasonable doubt, Uyghurs are found all over China operating small businesses, mostly restaurants as their cuisine is incredibly popular, this freedom to operate in a country which supposedly oppresses them seems highly unlikely. This is unknown to journalists and investigators who obtain their information from reports but never visit China and enjoy the Uyghur cuisine.

So why then are some Uyghurs and Kazakhs in different countries around the world giving evidence of incarceration, abuse and torture? Giving evidence and swearing an affidavit are two different things. A search of the internet shows many testimonies to be found on Xinjiang. But it’s difficult to find sworn affidavits. This is strange because courts matters are usually sworn in through affidavits. They become enforceable legal documents with punishments of fines and even imprisonment for lying. So, why aren’t there more affidavits? Furthermore, many of the recorded testimonies have changed from 2017/18. Reports of incarceration with no torture or abuse, to incarceration with beatings and torture in 2020. Some even changed to include reports of forced sterilisations. Could these changes be due to coercion or incentives? Could the lack of commitment to sign sworn affidavits indicate an unwillingness to face legal consequences? Either way, when sworn affidavits are so easy to complete, the lack of them casts an element of doubt on the reasonableness of the claim.

On enquiry in China, some names of these witnesses are unknown perhaps they’ve been changed for security reasons, but this information isn’t available. Others are known, some were criminals released after serving a sentence or after an investigation found no cause to proceed. Some of these are Uyghurs but many are Kazakhs. Some have links with other countries through citizenship or marriage. As with many countries, criminals, even suspected criminals with dual citizenship or citizens of other countries are often deported. If not, they may sometimes choose to leave to go other countries where they have family.

Others are known to Chinese authorities but have never entered the Chinese criminal system, some never even lived in China or they left the country before these re-education centres were even built and are now claiming to have family and friends inside them. One notable example is a leader of the Australian Uyghur community, Arselan Hideyat, who claims his father-in-law Adil Mijit, was taken and is now uncontactable. His father-in-law is a well-known vlogger on Chinese social media and posts happy singing and dancing videos daily on social media! Why Mr Mijit no longer contacts his son-in-law or his daughter is a private matter between them, but he is certainly not in any camp as a quick search of Chinese social media will show. Claims such as these throw more reasonable doubt into the decision-making process.

Casting doubts upon their own stories, “I wasn’t beaten or abused” became “I was tortured and witnessed rapes” a year later
The doubt cast upon these witnesses is not cast by Chinese authorities, but by their own changes in testimony and the quickly debunked images posted by overseas Uyghurs as images of oppression and found to be photos or videos from sources outside of China — a man in Cambodia being filmed as he was beaten for gambling debts is one example, a picture of 14 people smuggled in a car across borders in Europe is another, a picture of a woman being beaten was found to come from a Taiwanese sex industry video, a photo of a note found in a shoe claiming to be from a Uyghur in Xinjiang but the shoe was made in Vietnam and assembled in New York, there are many more. These obviously and easily debunked fraudulent claims are the reason doubt is cast on the credibility of sources. Finally, when visited by Chinese media, the families of some of these claimants themselves have no idea why their brother or sisters make such claims. One lady claimed by a family member to have been imprisoned for years was found by CGTN to be working in a restaurant and in great health, in a TV interview she was concerned about her family member being misled in the United States.

As well as many of these stories being easily debunked, we should also ask ourselves if these so-called witnesses were arbitrarily arrested, incarcerated, tortured, raped, sterilised or mistreated in other ways, why did the “guilty and authoritarian” Chinese government issue them with passports to leave the country and travel to a place where they would be free to discuss these atrocities? A question we have never seen asked of any of them.

A witnesses who claims she was under house arrest at the same time as her passport was issued
The language of the Uyghurs is apparently being culturally cancelled. But this doesn’t seem to be true on the ground. Local language is strongly used and very much alive in Xinjiang. It can be seen in the background of almost every photograph and heard on every video which comes out of the region but more importantly, if someone visits the region, they can see for themselves, it’s widely used on government signage, every road sign and almost every shop in the region uses it. What IS happening is the local people are being taught in Chinese in school, in the same way a Cantonese speaker is taught in Mandarin in Guangdong, a Uyghur, Mongolian, Tibetan, Kazakh or any of the other 10 ethnic minorities which make up Xinjiang are being taught in Mandarin, like the Cantonese schoolchild, the Uyghur will go home and use he or her language in the family.

Claims of religious oppression in Xinjiang also cause concern but, once again are easily refuted. The region has more than 24,000 mosques, many of them recently built and almost all built in the last 50 years. The leader of the Islamic Association of Xinjiang, Abudurekfu Tumunyzi, along with almost 100 other scholars and religious leaders wrote a letter in July 2019 to Mike Pompeo, expressing their anger at his insistence of religious intolerance and urging him to review and reduce his bias. This is not one or two “Pro-Beijing radicals, but the lifeblood of Islam in the region. Once again, reasonable doubt that claims of even cultural genocide or religious repression are unlikely to be true.

What’s missing most from the discussion on Xinjiang is local human intelligence. Human intelligence takes two forms, one is the on the ground observations, (local intelligence). The other is away from the sources analysing the information to draw conclusions, (remote intelligence).

We’ve seen satellite images of “camps” many of which have already been proven by Chinese TV and online users to be chicken farms, shopping centres, residential complexes and schools. We’ve also seen places identified remotely as “prisons” where people in uniform can be seen on a grainy satellite image as they walk from the “prison complex” to the “work camp”. But if we had local intelligence on the ground in China, those same images would look nothing like prison camps, they would look exactly like what they are: factories with large working populations who, because of the distances involved and migratory nature of the workforce in China, live in dormitories.

We know through media and even supported by Western media that there were terrorist attacks in Xinjiang, many people, including the moderate Imam of Kashgar and Vice-President of the Islamic Association of Xinjiang, Jume Tahir (stabbed to death inside his own mosque) as well as many Uyghurs and police officers died as a result. Security was inevitably ramped up and many buildings considered to be vulnerable were made more secure. Fences were constructed, and military personnel were drafted into the region.

A very obvious method of keeping people in these factories and schools safe from potential terrorism, is to erect fences around them — so obvious that the United States has now done the same around the White House, Capitol Hill and many other buildings in Washington DC.

A further method of reducing terrorism is to remove the causes of it. Radical extremism exists where poverty and deprivation exist. This is the same in every poor region, and in every religion. Two ways that are successful in fighting these are to remove the poverty and to educate the population so they can take advantage of job opportunities created by poverty alleviation projects. A third way is to attempt to kill all the extremists, but, as has been found in North Africa, the Middle East and the Horn of Africa (Somalia) killing one radical creates a family of more radicals — it’s what some people in the US are now defining as “the never-ending war”.

Like China, France has commenced on a less confrontational path of education, de-radicalisation and poverty alleviation. The EU applauds the French move, but the EU condemns the Chinese process. Let’s consider why.

Reasonable doubt exists on the information provided by Adrian Zenz. He is an IT expert; he claims to hold a PhD in Social Anthropology from Cambridge but a search on https://www.socanth.cam.ac.uk/directory/specific-people shows no record of a doctorate issued to him in 2017, or any year before or after. He previously claimed he holds an online doctorate from the Columbia International University, this is not to be mistaken for Columbia, the famous university, it is a North Carolina Religious based institution. So, there is some doubt about his credentials. There is no doubt however about his motivation, in his own words, quoted by the Wall Street Journal: “I feel very clearly lead by God to do this”. He visited China, in 2007 as a tourist but he doesn’t speak, read or write Chinese. Despite these limitations, he’s described in US media as a “China Expert”. He acquired thousands of pages of information about Xinjiang and it’s accurate. There are two issues related to this: one is that the information was freely available — hardly the action of a secretive, authoritarian government wishing to hide a genocide; the other is that it was commissioned by the BBC and has been analysed with a view to fitting their, already decided, narrative rather than a view to creating an objective opinion.

Adrian Zenz’s impressions of control seem to be quite startling!
Local intelligence on the ground would clearly indicate that, what remote intelligence calls a prison is, in fact, a school, boarders can be seen leaving every Friday evening and returning every Sunday evening locals come and go every day. The same intelligence could tell the remote analysts that their “larger prison” is actually a factory, workers wear uniforms, eat in company canteens and sleep in dormitories. These buildings, like schools, government buildings and many other vulnerable places, also have secure fencing around the outside and security guards on the gate — this is not exclusive to Xinjiang, these are found in every town, city and even some villages throughout China. Local intelligence would have immediately cast reasonable doubt on the assessment that these are anything other than what China claims them to be.

Of course, Xinjiang does have prisons, no doubt some of them have been constructed in the last few years and have probably been identified by ASPI. All governments have prisons, governments fighting radical terrorists and separatism have more secure and remote prisons. So, there’s a large element of truth in the findings of Adrian Zenz and ASPI, except they have both cast so many doubts on the number of locations which have proven to be something other than a prison, it’s hard to find credible evidence to even create a convincing tale, let alone proof beyond reasonable doubt.

No court in the world should convict on the basis of a body of circumstantial evidence and any investigator who really cared enough, really wanted to know the truth, would visit the scene of the crime and ensure the physical evidence exists to get the conviction. We have to wonder why no one from the “prosecution” side has ventured into China to assess the situation, especially since China has made offers for them to do so and has invited many others whose voices are being disregarded:

Most recently, just 21st February this year, China made an open invitation to the UNHCHR: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...hurs-genocide-charge-invites-uns-rights-chief

In September 2020 China, during an online summit with the EU made an invitation to visit and inspect Xinjiang to allay their fears, to date this invitation has not been taken up: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...na-says-EU-observers-free-visit-Xinjiang.html

October 2020 The representatives of 20 Arab States went to Xinjiang toured some facilities and met with the Chairman of the Region, a Uyghur, Xuekeliti Zaker — they saw nothing wrong.

According to one US Newspaper 1200 foreign representatives, journalists and diplomats have visited Xinjiang over a 14-month period: https://newmexico.statenews.net/new...ficials-journalists-visit-xinjiang-since-2018

In June 2019 the UN Counter Terrorism Chief visited Xinjiang and helped the UN reach an understanding with China: https://indianexpress.com/article/w...nsensus-with-un-after-xinjiang-visit-5782738/

Looking at the evidence, it’s clear that China doesn’t need to prove its innocence, but western media, western governments and certainly the investigators of this alleged crime against humanity need to work a lot harder in order to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they have the evidence to bring this case to court for a conviction — right now, they don’t, nor will they ever, because they’re not even looking for it.

If we ask ourselves why they aren’t looking for it — the answer is clear. They don’t want to prove themselves wrong and they’ve already convinced “the court of public opinion”. Maybe that’s enough. The same way it was enough to invade Iraq where no weapons of mass destruction have ever been found, the same way Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam and many others were invaded. And, it’s this fact that is the most worrying!

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Bruh China is like most evil country... what makes you think they’re not killing Muslim minority ?? Muslims are treated bad in most countries (killed in Indian for eating beef ) except west + Israel

 

[sytyl]

Bruh China is like most evil country... what makes you think they’re not killing Muslim minority ?? Muslims are treated bad in most countries (killed in Indian for eating beef ) except west + Israel

china no like america therefore china good is the logic here

China is doing bad stuff to uyghurs, does america really care? Of course not. Will they use it as one of many excuses to mess with china? Of course yes. OP fails to understand this.

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Bruh China is like most evil country... what makes you think they’re not killing Muslim minority ?? Muslims are treated bad in most countries (killed in Indian for eating beef ) except west + Israel

Are you Jewish, why do you keep pretending that Isr*el treats Muslims well? jfl

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Are you Jewish, why do you keep pretending that Isr*el treats Muslims well? jfl

No I’m not but that’s the truth
Jews love ethnics especially Muslims. They only hate Europeans (if those conspiracy theories are real)

 

[Deleted member 3573]

We have photos and eyewitness confessions. Also, why would the jews claim that Muslims are being genocided as if that's a bad thing to them? Jews only care about themselves and don't stand to gain from lying about genocide in china. I doubt that they're making this one up.

Its pretty obvious why jfl. China is the only powerful country where Jews cannot blend in and cannot control politics and with China getting stronger, it threatens the US and indirectly threatens Israel. They are much more complex than some people think.