For every argument of free will not existing, I can find a counter argument for free will existing. I agree that with our current understanding of physics, free will doesn't exist. But if you truly believe that people don't have free will then you're a coping leftist with a defeatist mentality.
you can completely bypass god though, people clearly want certain things for themselves and want to be given some kind of moral consideration, so creating a god character was convenient for controlling people. that doesn’t mean it is necessary.
i wouldn’t say it’s something people need but it is something people cope with because it is a widespread cope. an atheist society could be more or less prosperous depending on a large number of factors.
You asserted that an atheist society would be equally as prosperous socially as a religious society, but more prosperous in creating innovation than a religious society. Therefore, you did assert that an atheist society would be more prosperous.
I mean, I've read your posts. I know you're not stupid. You know that the response you just typed out isn't intellectually honest.
Bypassing a God character only works for relatively smart and empathetic people who would behave well whether they believe in God or not. Only a small percentage of the population fits that criteria. Most people would turn to degeneracy, nihilism, and hedonism.
an atheist society could be more or less prosperous than a religious one it would depend on many different things.
it could be more or less so again, but i would imagine that a society that isn’t held down by the restrictions of an arbitrary holy book might be able to innovate more.
No i didn’t say that atheist societies necessarily will be more prosperous than religious ones because an atheist society could hypothetically exist in a wasteland and a religious one could exist in a more suitable environment.
It wouldn't mean it's random. It would simply mean that there's some aspect of consciousness and decision-making that we aren't aware of yet that doesn't come down to predictable particles.
it's a stupid discussion, don't worry about it
maybe they would maybe they wouldn’t? this isn’t even an argument, what are you saying? is degeneracy when people do things you dislike or find gross? this is a very vague term. some people believe in nihilism or hedonism.
the world is less religious now that is has ever been before and we live in the most simultaneously prosperous and peaceful times.
We're only prosperous and peaceful at the macro level. Every western civilization is still run on judeochristian values.
[1] If you aren't aware of it, how are you exerting free will? Free will means that you consciously choose to do whatever you want to do, free of influence.
simple minded reasoning ngl
it’s weird to mash judaism and christianity together in this way when they are different in very key ways. but the bible happens to contain commandments that say things like “don’t steal or kill” but people naturally don’t like being killed or stolen from so it makes sense that they would write that into the fairytale. people are less religious now than they have ever been, and we are more prosperous and simultaneously peace now than ever before.
i don’t know if i’m necessarily against abortion.
Possibly? There are lots of guys here that are good looking or could get sex, amnesia and arvid rot here for whatever reason. there’s many reasons why we are here.
even if this were true can you prove that that is necessarily due to atheism?deep south hyper christian republican states drain welfare money and do incest quite a lot but i am not going to say it is necessarily because of christianity, there are larger socioeconomic reasons than religion.
[1] Obviously there are going to be external influences. The point is that you have free will within a set of parameters. Within that set of parameters, you can consciously choose to do whatever you want. Just because we have factors that influence us, doesn't mean that we don't have the free will to make decisions outside of those factors. If I want to go to the gym right now, I could go. Obviously being tired and lazy would influence that decision, but your consciousness has the ability to override that influence, despite being hard to do. Personal accountability is hard. Denying free will is denying personal accountability.
Exactly my point. When looking at the world from a completely secular stance, you can agree with morally evil things because you have nothing to stop you from doing so. There's no way you can argue in favor of abortion being acceptable from an moral standpoint, only from a viewpoint of convenience. Science disregards human morality, therefore laws can quickly fall down a slippery slope if they don't have a religious backbone to stay on. Look at eugenics and genocide in Nazi Germany. We can all say it was morally evil, but in their view it was convenient and therefore they did it.
On the basis of the bible, people have free will. Telling poor people they have no free will to get out of their situation and they shouldn't be personally accountable for themselves is against judeochristian teachings. Also, single motherhood laws encourage women to have kids out of wedlock which only creates more crime and more poverty.
so basically, an average young woman. idk why anyone is suprised
is just a whore tbh, cheated on her bf, gets into gang bangs and whatnot, probably has a bodycount > 100
it depends on what your moral system is? obviously no one believes that their moral stances are immoral, and you couldn’t possibly prove there is an objective moral code.
science is just a word that we use to refer to methods by which we arrive to truth claims about the universe. also slippery slope is literally a fallacy.
if you can’t prove that the bible is true and that all of it’s claims are necessarily accurate than i don’t care, really.
i don’t care if it goes against judeochristian teachings. judeochristian teachings are based on a god that can’t be proven or demonstrated so i have no reasons to care about violating their teachings. from a very simple human perspective though, you can encourage people to get out of negative situations if you wanted do, and if that appeared to have a good effect on society then you could do that. there’s no reason to pretend god is real to do that though.
i didn’t advocate for single motherhood laws.
what is a darwinian society? darwinian evolution is just an observed phenomena. darwinian evolution is more likely than not the reason humans even exist.
at this point i don’t even know what you’re talking about, you are just making assertions about things and claiming we will necessarily end up at authoritarian communism somehow.
I really want to see an Islamic response to this
