“Just go to a local surgeon for bimax bro”

[SurgeonsAreScammers]

“Just go to a local surgeon br0. Bimax is the same with every surgeon”

You guys realized that around a decade ago PSL “found” these surgeons because of their eye for male aesthetics. I visited a maxillofcial surgeon who is actually decently renowned in the USA but not talked about here and his before and afters were either dogmaxxes or befor and before and one garbage result with a BSSO set BACK

Back in 2017 male plastic surgery was even less of a thing than it is now. These surgeons were discovered cause they were the meager few that actually gave a shit about male aesthetics and weren’t just injecting fat and Botox into Granny. Do you think these surgeons just had paid sponsorships on the forum or some shit? No, plastic surgery is not just making bone adjustments, there’s a level of artistry to it. PSL FOUND the few guys who do well on dudes.

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Medicine and plastic surgery isn’t music. It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around at your local mom and pop incel-ascension clinic. You’re not gonna get a ramieri or raiffani result by going to some random maxfac. Do you see women and oldcels discussing the same few names on which doctor gives a good facelift or boob job? No, they go to to the local clinic, because the aforementioned logic actually applies to them. It does not apply to bimax surgeons

 

[brainregeneration]

It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around

 

[yussimania]

bimax is literally repositioning bones according to an operationalised plan - it doesn't require an artist just someone competent enough to do movement and rotation

rhinoplasty on the other hand is an art form

 

[LEFORT17]

“Just go to a local surgeon br0. Bimax is the same with every surgeon”

You guys realized that around a decade ago PSL “found” these surgeons because of their eye for male aesthetics. I visited a maxillofcial surgeon who is actually decently renowned in the USA but not talked about here and his before and afters were either dogmaxxes or befor and before and one garbage result with a BSSO set BACK

Back in 2017 male plastic surgery was even less of a thing than it is now. These surgeons were discovered cause they were the meager few that actually gave a shit about male aesthetics and weren’t just injecting fat and Botox into Granny. Do you think these surgeons just had paid sponsorships on the forum or some shit? No, plastic surgery is not just making bone adjustments, there’s a level of artistry to it. PSL FOUND the few guys who do well on dudes.

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Medicine and plastic surgery isn’t music. It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around at your local mom and pop incel-ascension clinic. You’re not gonna get a ramieri or raiffani result by going to some random maxfac. Do you see women and oldcels discussing the same few names on which doctor gives a good facelift or boob job? No, they go to to the local clinic, because the aforementioned logic actually applies to them. It does not apply to bimax surgeons

LOL?

 

[Lefor3Laser]

bimax is literally repositioning bones according to an operationalised plan - it doesn't require an artist just someone competent enough to do movement and rotation

rhinoplasty on the other hand is an art form

Wich you can discuss with a surgeon to personalize it to ur liking, there are few surgeries wich require an eye for aesthetics (as you listed).

Going to a known surgeon wich charges overpriced procedures with a normal case is definetely a meme.

And plus of that people forget that this procedure is for fixing failos and not create (accompanied with real symptoms)

 

[bossman]

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Bro names one surgeon who doesn’t do 3D planning, one surgeon who no longer performs bimax at all, one surgeon who 83 and half retired, and one surgeon who’s been suspended.

bimax is literally repositioning bones according to an operationalised plan - it doesn't require an artist just someone competent enough to do movement and rotation

kinda funny how sunil richardson can give you a better result than the best maxfac in the UK though lol

 

[Oliebol]

Bro names one surgeon who doesn’t do 3D planning, one surgeon who no longer performs bimax at all, one surgeon who 83 and half retired, and one surgeon who’s been suspended.

Which of them doesnt use 3d planning?

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

As someone who has spent years hyperfocusing on plastic surgery the only one of these I know is Eppley. If you go to Eppley, well your just kinda fucked in the head. Then again you autist are always on about bimax which 99.9% of you don't need. Eppley will do it for you, Eppley will do anything.


A quick google search reversals 80% of your list is dog shit 3rd world surgeon or attempted to create a niche by pushing bad and retarded procedures to make up for their lack of skill. Maybe 2 of them are okay.

 

[Dophinic]

As someone who has spent years hyperfocusing on plastic surgery the only one of these I know is Eppley. If you go to Eppley, well your just kinda fucked in the head. Then again you autist are always on about bimax which 99.9% of you don't need. Eppley will do it for you, Eppley will do anything.


A quick google search reversals 80% of your list is dog shit 3rd world surgeon or attempted to create a niche by pushing bad and retarded procedures to make up for their lack of skill. Maybe 2 of them are okay.

Name the good surgeons then

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Name the good surgeons then

I don't need bimax. When i need something done, I spend weeks of time over many months, researching who is good for a specific procedure. This often includes watching video of them preform the specific procedure, so that I can review in part their techniques. As their can be large variation in technique selection, and part of the selection process for a technique is the surgeons own skill level.

But picking out shitty, PS are not hard. Are they pushing stupid shit like silicon check implants that will destroy the soft tissue envelope of the face and be irreparable looking dog turds as you age? Dog shit PS.

Keep in mind these are not just surgeons. They are plastic surgeons. Meaning aesthetics plays a primary role. If they have a shitty looking website, or a shitty looking office guess what. They have a shit sense style. Thus have a shit sense of aesthetics. Thus are a shitty plastic surgeon. This may not matter to YOU, but it will matter to the outcome.

I've known about Eppley for 3-4 years because he's willing to preform a large number of very radical procedures. Most surgeons wont offer any. If they do it's hard capped at 1 experimental thing they've taken an interest in. Even then they almost never publicly list it.

Why do you think Eppley preforms such radical procedures anyways? Because he needs the work... Good PS, don't.

 

[AustrianMogger]

“Just go to a local surgeon br0. Bimax is the same with every surgeon”

You guys realized that around a decade ago PSL “found” these surgeons because of their eye for male aesthetics. I visited a maxillofcial surgeon who is actually decently renowned in the USA but not talked about here and his before and afters were either dogmaxxes or befor and before and one garbage result with a BSSO set BACK

Back in 2017 male plastic surgery was even less of a thing than it is now. These surgeons were discovered cause they were the meager few that actually gave a shit about male aesthetics and weren’t just injecting fat and Botox into Granny. Do you think these surgeons just had paid sponsorships on the forum or some shit? No, plastic surgery is not just making bone adjustments, there’s a level of artistry to it. PSL FOUND the few guys who do well on dudes.

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Medicine and plastic surgery isn’t music. It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around at your local mom and pop incel-ascension clinic. You’re not gonna get a ramieri or raiffani result by going to some random maxfac. Do you see women and oldcels discussing the same few names on which doctor gives a good facelift or boob job? No, they go to to the local clinic, because the aforementioned logic actually applies to them. It does not apply to bimax surgeons

Ramieri isnt that good, rest i kinda agree but you can trust lead surgeons in your country if you check the movements by yourself

 

[Whatever]

I talked to one of Ramieri’s patients and he didn’t even know if his jaws were rotated or not.

Also traveling for surgery adds so much complication and risk that to make it worth it the foreign surgeon would have to be much safer than anyone you can drive to, I don’t think that’s the case with all these horror stories about Raffaini and all the others.

 

[lurking truecel]

True, the forum surgeons are famous because of aesthetic reasons. There is for sure some hidden ones but most surgeons are actually dog shit, and bimax is too risky to risk it

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

True, the forum surgeons are famous because of aesthetic reasons. There is for sure some hidden ones but most surgeons are actually dog shit, and bimax is too risky to risk it

Hell nah it’s the opposite

 

[ltn_looksminner]

True, the forum surgeons are famous because of aesthetic reasons. There is for sure some hidden ones but most surgeons are actually dog shit, and bimax is too risky to risk it

As long as the surgeon has experience i don't see how most would be bad

 

[lurking truecel]

As long as the surgeon has experience i don't see how most would be bad

I mean it depends on where you live, as a giy who lives in nordic. There are litteraly no jaw surgeons here that would move the jaws for aesthetics at all. Sure if you live in germany, france etc there will be good ones atleast somewhere relatively locally. But the majority of surgeons wont move jaws for aesthetics at all

 

[LEFORT17]

I mean it depends on where you live, as a giy who lives in nordic. There are litteraly no jaw surgeons here that would move the jaws for aesthetics at all. Sure if you live in germany, france etc there will be good ones atleast somewhere relatively locally. But the majority of surgeons wont move jaws for aesthetics at all

ive heard theres a finish one working with peek implants too, probably one of the only ones in the scandinavian ice desert

 

[lurking truecel]

ive heard theres a finish one working with peek implants too, probably one of the only ones in the scandinavian ice desert

He does peek implants during bimax ?

 

[LEFORT17]

He does peek implants during bimax ?

yup

 

[AustrianMogger]

True, the forum surgeons are famous because of aesthetic reasons. There is for sure some hidden ones but most surgeons are actually dog shit, and bimax is too risky to risk it

Bimax is too risky.

 

[AustrianMogger]

yup

What you think of your boy

 

[lurking truecel]

Bimax is too risky.

I didnt say it was too risky moron, but its too risky to just go with some local no name doctor. Because if you do it wrong you can ruin your face obv

 

[LEFORT17]

I didnt say it was too risky moron, but its too risky to just go with some local no name doctor. Because if you do it wrong you can ruin your face obv

having pre op information on your skull and what type of movements you need, helps a lot. ur 100% right and u shouldnt trust any guy with a white doctor coat

 

[lurking truecel]

having pre op information on your skull and what type of movements you need, helps a lot. ur 100% right and u shouldnt trust any guy with a white doctor coat

GOod bimax surgeons are rare. But there are probably like 10+ in each big country like spain, italy, france, germany etc. Also bimax is so case dependant. If you are a easy case you are easy for everyone

 

[lurking truecel]

having pre op information on your skull and what type of movements you need, helps a lot. ur 100% right and u shouldnt trust any guy with a white doctor coat

Yea

 

[kranerman23123]

bimax is literally repositioning bones according to an operationalised plan - it doesn't require an artist just someone competent enough to do movement and rotation

rhinoplasty on the other hand is an art form

Yes but to fix malloclusion there are multiple courses of actions and different movements you can make and there are absolutely surgeons that are better at choosing movements that will enhance attractiveness rather than reducing it. Playing with your pallette position severely affects your face and multiple different bimax surgeons might make the same person with the same issue look completely different

 

[Noesis]

DNR but no one said ever

 

[blackmonkey69]

“Just go to a local surgeon br0. Bimax is the same with every surgeon”

You guys realized that around a decade ago PSL “found” these surgeons because of their eye for male aesthetics. I visited a maxillofcial surgeon who is actually decently renowned in the USA but not talked about here and his before and afters were either dogmaxxes or befor and before and one garbage result with a BSSO set BACK

Back in 2017 male plastic surgery was even less of a thing than it is now. These surgeons were discovered cause they were the meager few that actually gave a shit about male aesthetics and weren’t just injecting fat and Botox into Granny. Do you think these surgeons just had paid sponsorships on the forum or some shit? No, plastic surgery is not just making bone adjustments, there’s a level of artistry to it. PSL FOUND the few guys who do well on dudes.

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Medicine and plastic surgery isn’t music. It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around at your local mom and pop incel-ascension clinic. You’re not gonna get a ramieri or raiffani result by going to some random maxfac. Do you see women and oldcels discussing the same few names on which doctor gives a good facelift or boob job? No, they go to to the local clinic, because the aforementioned logic actually applies to them. It does not apply to bimax surgeons

You think same thing would apply for getting a bsso for medical reasons (overbite)?

 

[Animepilled]

You think same thing would apply for getting a bsso for medical reasons (overbite)?

no. it's very straightforward. How much is your skeletal overbite tho?

 

[blackmonkey69]

no. it's very straightforward. How much is your skeletal overbite tho?

6 mm

 

[Animepilled]

6 mm

i actually have a very similar case to yours. Around 5mm skeletal overbite and planning bsso. what r your medical reasons?

 

[blackmonkey69]

i actually have a very similar case to yours. Around 5mm skeletal overbite and planning bsso. what r your medical reasons?

My ortho recommended it to me just because i have a overbite. I don't feel much discomfort from it tbh. I am hoping it will improve my airways do as i have had a stuffy nose for like the last year. But other than that i mostly want to do it for aesthetic reasons. Just wondering wether i can just go with the local surgeon at the hospital or if i should look into surgeons who are more focused on aesthetics.

 

[Animepilled]

My ortho recommended it to me just because i have a overbite. I don't feel much discomfort from it tbh. I am hoping it will improve my airways do as i have had a stuffy nose for like the last year. But other than that i mostly want to do it for aesthetic reasons. Just wondering wether i can just go with the local surgeon at the hospital or if i should look into surgeons who are more focused on aesthetics.

there's no room for mistake in your case. They just move lower jaw forward to fit your upper jaw. There's nothing a great surgeon would be able to do better for aesthetics. That would be the case in a complex bimax case.
Do you have any side profile photos/xrays?

 

[blackmonkey69]

there's no room for mistake in your case. They just move lower jaw forward to fit your upper jaw. There's nothing a great surgeon would be able to do better for aesthetics. That would be the case in a complex bimax case.
Do you have any side profile photos/xrays?

first picture is me normal, second pic is me jutting

 

[Animepilled]

first picture is me normal, second pic is me jutting

yeah mine is almost identical Did you have class 2 div 2 occlusion by any chance? Do your incisors fully show during a full smile?

 

[blackmonkey69]

yeah mine is almost identical Did you have class 2 div 2 occlusion by any chance? Do your incisors fully show during a full smile?

Not sure to be honest, i want to do a new consultation soon. Had a couple in the past when j was younger but i didn’t really consider the surgery as a option up until now. I have attached 2 pics of my teeth.

 

[Animepilled]

Not sure to be honest, i want to do a new consultation soon. Had a couple in the past when j was younger but i didn’t really consider the surgery as a option up until now. I have attached 2 pics of my teeth.

yeah bsso only seems to be what you need.

 

[blackmonkey69]

yeah bsso only seems to be what you need.

Yea i think so too. I have read many people saying its better to go with a cosmetic surgeon but i dont really see why. Especially since i think i dont need any rotation.

 

[gunrenaissance]

I don't need bimax. When i need something done, I spend weeks of time over many months, researching who is good for a specific procedure. This often includes watching video of them preform the specific procedure, so that I can review in part their techniques. As their can be large variation in technique selection, and part of the selection process for a technique is the surgeons own skill level.

But picking out shitty, PS are not hard. Are they pushing stupid shit like silicon check implants that will destroy the soft tissue envelope of the face and be irreparable looking dog turds as you age? Dog shit PS.

Keep in mind these are not just surgeons. They are plastic surgeons. Meaning aesthetics plays a primary role. If they have a shitty looking website, or a shitty looking office guess what. They have a shit sense style. Thus have a shit sense of aesthetics. Thus are a shitty plastic surgeon. This may not matter to YOU, but it will matter to the outcome.

I've known about Eppley for 3-4 years because he's willing to preform a large number of very radical procedures. Most surgeons wont offer any. If they do it's hard capped at 1 experimental thing they've taken an interest in. Even then they almost never publicly list it.

Why do you think Eppley preforms such radical procedures anyways? Because he needs the work... Good PS, don't.

How long did it take you to learn all of that

 

[subtierjester]

“Just go to a local surgeon br0. Bimax is the same with every surgeon”

You guys realized that around a decade ago PSL “found” these surgeons because of their eye for male aesthetics. I visited a maxillofcial surgeon who is actually decently renowned in the USA but not talked about here and his before and afters were either dogmaxxes or befor and before and one garbage result with a BSSO set BACK

Back in 2017 male plastic surgery was even less of a thing than it is now. These surgeons were discovered cause they were the meager few that actually gave a shit about male aesthetics and weren’t just injecting fat and Botox into Granny. Do you think these surgeons just had paid sponsorships on the forum or some shit? No, plastic surgery is not just making bone adjustments, there’s a level of artistry to it. PSL FOUND the few guys who do well on dudes.

Zarrinbal, Eppley, Pagnoni, Raiffani, Ramieri, Sailer, Gunson, Coceancig etc are your options

Medicine and plastic surgery isn’t music. It’s not like there are a bunch of equally talented BSSO doctors just hanging around at your local mom and pop incel-ascension clinic. You’re not gonna get a ramieri or raiffani result by going to some random maxfac. Do you see women and oldcels discussing the same few names on which doctor gives a good facelift or boob job? No, they go to to the local clinic, because the aforementioned logic actually applies to them. It does not apply to bimax surgeons

Dnr

 

[greycel]

I don't need bimax. When i need something done, I spend weeks of time over many months, researching who is good for a specific procedure. This often includes watching video of them preform the specific procedure, so that I can review in part their techniques. As their can be large variation in technique selection, and part of the selection process for a technique is the surgeons own skill level.

But picking out shitty, PS are not hard. Are they pushing stupid shit like silicon check implants that will destroy the soft tissue envelope of the face and be irreparable looking dog turds as you age? Dog shit PS.

Keep in mind these are not just surgeons. They are plastic surgeons. Meaning aesthetics plays a primary role. If they have a shitty looking website, or a shitty looking office guess what. They have a shit sense style. Thus have a shit sense of aesthetics. Thus are a shitty plastic surgeon. This may not matter to YOU, but it will matter to the outcome.

I've known about Eppley for 3-4 years because he's willing to preform a large number of very radical procedures. Most surgeons wont offer any. If they do it's hard capped at 1 experimental thing they've taken an interest in. Even then they almost never publicly list it.

Why do you think Eppley preforms such radical procedures anyways? Because he needs the work... Good PS, don't.

If you’ve researched which surgeons are not worth considering, you mind sharing?
And also those you’ve identified as Good PS

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

How long did it take you to learn all of that

Idk facial asthetics is a adhd hyperfocus for me. My interest isn’t in it for getting girls or success or anything like that it’s pure hyper autism.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

If you’ve researched which surgeons are not worth considering, you mind sharing?
And also those you’ve identified as Good PS

Any surgeon that straight up removes lower ribs for aesthetic purposes is bad. I only know 2 who do it, I’d assume there’s likely about 5 nationally that might be willing too. One of them is epply, for get the other one but like epply he’s also in the middle of bum fuck no where.

Bimax is a very serious surgery, in that it’s complex bone work and a lot can go wrong. It won’t be forgiving either like some ops. For example blethroplasty you can go to basically and licensed medical doctor willing to do it and you’ll be okay. Plenty of dermatologist do upper Bleths and their not bad jobs or anything.

For bimax you should at least have 40+ hours into researching surgeons. That’s a minimum. You will live with the results the rest of your life, if they are not good your up shit creek. Yes they can do rivision, that in no way means that your complications fully resolves or the outcome is anywhere as good. Also revisions require even more skill due to more risks and complexities then the original surgery.

So don’t fuck it up.

 

[greycel]

Any surgeon that straight up removes lower ribs for aesthetic purposes is bad. I only know 2 who do it, I’d assume there’s likely about 5 nationally that might be willing too. One of them is epply, for get the other one but like epply he’s also in the middle of bum fuck no where.

Bimax is a very serious surgery, in that it’s complex bone work and a lot can go wrong. It won’t be forgiving either like some ops. For example blethroplasty you can go to basically and licensed medical doctor willing to do it and you’ll be okay. Plenty of dermatologist do upper Bleths and their not bad jobs or anything.

For bimax you should at least have 40+ hours into researching surgeons. That’s a minimum. You will live with the results the rest of your life, if they are not good your up shit creek. Yes they can do rivision, that in no way means that your complications fully resolves or the outcome is anywhere as good. Also revisions require even more skill due to more risks and complexities then the original surgery.

So don’t fuck it up.

Good advice, but I would’ve preferred you to be more specific. 40hrs is reasonable

But how do you identify the good surgeons from the bad?
Every surgeon posts their best work. How would you be able to understand their consistency?
And is it better to go for a surgeon who’s done very well on a case similar to yours, but not so well on other cases.. compared to a surgeon who does consistently decent all around?
To find surgeons do you browse PubMed articles or Insta? How can you locate the ones with Eyes for Aesthetics? What are the telltale signs of surgeons who don’t?

The lower ribs example will only remove a few who offer a very wide range. But a surgeon that has that much breadth in what he provides is unlikely to have sufficient depth in any of them individually

 

[nishka]

GOod bimax surgeons are rare. But there are probably like 10+ in each big country like spain, italy, france, germany etc. Also bimax is so case dependant. If you are a easy case you are easy for everyone

what about canada

 

[lurking truecel]

what about canada

Peob decent

 

[mysterycel]

#freecoceancig til it's backwards