Le Fort before rhino

[Jesus_ist_König]

When u have a bad nose but also want to do a surgery that includes Le Fort osteotomy, u should first do Le fort since moving the maxilla can have an effect on the nose right?

 

[geenk worg]

Depends what movement.

 

[tyler1234]

Yes u wanna do the rhino after

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Depends what movement.

Trimax or Bimax

 

[geenk worg]

Trimax or Bimax

Why am i even trying.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Why am i even trying.

🫩

 

[Animepilled]

Trimax or Bimax

quadmax

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Why am i even trying.

I said I’m doing trimax or bimax?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

quadmax

?

 

[Deleted member 80642]

Holy. Some people are so lacking in their surgical knowledge despite having thousands of posts…..

It totally depends on your nose, and the type of bimax needed….

 

[tyler1234]

I said I’m doing trimax or bimax?

5000 posts and still a retard

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Holy. Some people are so lacking in their surgical knowledge despite having thousands of posts…..

It totally depends on your nose, and the type of bimax needed….

Niggas gotta start somewhere?

 

[Jgns]

offtopic rotters when it comes to acc using the site instead of being pedos and fags

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Holy. Some people are so lacking in their surgical knowledge despite having thousands of posts…..

It totally depends on your nose, and the type of bimax needed….

Yeah no shit but moving ur maxilla forward can make a difference on how the nose looks like

 

[Deleted member 80642]

Niggas gotta start somewhere?

Yeah but start at 0 posts…. What were u doing in these 4000+ posts to not understand simple stuff.

Anyways we don’t have pics of your face, we don’t have scans, we don’t have anything so any advice someone gives you on this scenario is useless. Because it is totally case dependant what you need to do

 

[Deleted member 80642]

Yeah no shit but moving ur maxilla forward can make a difference on how the nose looks like

Yeah dude but due to the fact that you know nothing about surgery, there’s a big chance u dont even know the type of bimax that u need. How it will effect ur nose, and it depends on the shape of your nose.

Do u even know if you have a flat or tilted occlusal plane?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Yeah but start at 0 posts…. What were u doing in these 4000+ posts to not understand simple stuff.

Anyways we don’t have pics of your face, we don’t have scans, we don’t have anything so any advice someone gives you on this scenario is useless. Because it is totally case dependant what you need to do

I’m caged. Can’t upload a pic with all the shit I posted .

Can u elaborate on the “it’s case dependent” by using 2 faces as example please?

 

[kaydd]

Do both at the same time

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Yeah dude but due to the fact that you know nothing about surgery, there’s a big chance u dont even know the type of bimax that u need. How it will affect ur nose, and it depends on the shape of your nose.

There are different types?

Do u even know if you have a flat or tilted occlusal plane?

I don’t know what that is. If my teeth are flat or tilted?

 

[tyler1234]

Yeah no shit but moving ur maxilla forward can make a difference on how the nose looks like

U just answered ur own question therefore Donit after

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

U just answered ur own question therefore Donit after

My answer might be false?

 

[kaydd]

There are different types?

I don’t know what that is. If my teeth are flat or tilted?

Can you put SOME effort in answering your own questions

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Can you put SOME effort in answering your own questions

I STILL DONT GET IT !!!

 

[Deleted member 80642]

I’m caged. Can’t upload a pic with all the shit I posted .

Can u elaborate on the “it’s case dependent” by using 2 faces as example please?

The first case is someone who has a hypodivergent (short face) who has undergone clockwise rotation of the jaws




This means that there will be absolutely zero improvement of her nose because she needed clockwise rotation to fix her short face.


The second case is someone who has a long face and is getting counter clockwise rotation.



She will see improvements in her nose because she got counter clockwise rotation.


So if you look at your own face, you need to figure which one you are.

However even if you are the second person, if your occlusal plane is flat, then you can’t rotate the jaws very much at all so you will need rhinoplasty to see any difference.


Anyways you need CT scans if you’re even serious about getting bimax. Get them asap or it’s over

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

The first case is someone who has a hypodivergent (short face) who has undergone clockwise rotation of the jaws


View attachment 4758592

This means that there will be absolutely zero improvement of her nose because she needed clockwise rotation to fix her short face.


The second case is someone who has a long face and is getting counter clockwise rotation.

View attachment 4758596

She will see improvements in her nose because she got counter clockwise rotation.


So if you look at your own face, you need to figure which one you are.

However even if you are the second person, if your occlusal plane is flat, then you can’t rotate the jaws very much at all so you will need rhinoplasty to see any difference.


Anyways you need CT scans if you’re even serious about getting bimax. Get them asap or it’s over

Okay so with CT scan yall can like help me with the surgery without me uploading normal face pics (do CT scans have lens disortion)

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

The first case is someone who has a hypodivergent (short face) who has undergone clockwise rotation of the jaws


View attachment 4758592

This means that there will be absolutely zero improvement of her nose because she needed clockwise rotation to fix her short face.


The second case is someone who has a long face and is getting counter clockwise rotation.

View attachment 4758596

She will see improvements in her nose because she got counter clockwise rotation.


So if you look at your own face, you need to figure which one you are.

However even if you are the second person, if your occlusal plane is flat, then you can’t rotate the jaws very much at all so you will need rhinoplasty to see any difference.


Anyways you need CT scans if you’re even serious about getting bimax. Get them asap or it’s over

Regarding the nose isn’t it about if the maxilla gets moved forward on the horizontal axis rather if there is any rotation? Well yes rotation plays a role but doesn’t what I said play a bigger role?

 

[Deleted member 80642]

Okay so with CT scan yall can like help me with the surgery without me uploading normal face pics (do CT scans have lens disortion)

I mean kinda. Our knowledge will be ok, but not as good as surgeons. U really need to just do research yourself tbh. That’s what I did. Read lots of science papers on these things and stuff.

 

[Deleted member 80642]

Regarding the nose isn’t it about if the maxilla gets moved forward on the horizontal axis rather if there is any rotation? Well yes rotation plays a role but doesn’t what I said play a bigger role?

No not at all. Doing minimal CCW or no rotation will have minimal or no effect on the way your nose looks.

All the copers on TikTok with big ass hooked noses saying “muh when I achieve ccw, my nose will look good” which is not true lol. Most of them need rhino.

Also over rotating is terrible. Looks awful, and causes problems with your lip profile etc

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Yes

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I mean kinda. Our knowledge will be ok, but not as good as surgeons. U really need to just do research yourself tbh. That’s what I did. Read lots of science papers on these things and stuff.

Yes thats what i also think. I dont need to post myself if i can acquire yalls knowledge

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Our knowledge will be ok, but not as good as surgeons.

I know from experience that doctors (i suppose surgeons) talk shit and say dumb stuff.

Last week a doctor said to me that low E2 levels are not bad for male bone health, only for female bone health like wtf then go under 10 pg/ml Estradiol and check yourself if ur bones are super heatlhy or if you DO get osteoporosis after 1 year

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

No not at all. Doing minimal CCW or no rotation will have minimal or no effect on the way your nose looks.

All the copers on TikTok with big ass hooked noses saying “muh when I achieve ccw, my nose will look good” which is not true lol. Most of them need rhino.

Also over rotating is terrible. Looks awful, and causes problems with your lip profile etc

U didnt understand me.

I said:

so here u have that pic. Imagine a coordinate system. My point is doesnt moving in this case the maxilla to the left (negative on the x-axis), have a bigger effect on the nose, than any kind of rotation

Meaning moving the maxilla horizontally having a huger effect than any rotation.

And no i dont even have a tiktok acc. Tiktok is so bullshit. Fucking voxzogo and igf-1 signaling or mewing or thumbpulling like wtf its jewish propaganda

 

[Deleted member 80642]

U didnt understand me.

I said: View attachment 4758793 so here u have that pic. Imagine a coordinate system. My point is doesnt moving in this case the maxilla to the left (negative on the x-axis), have a bigger effect on the nose, than any kind of rotation

Meaning moving the maxilla horizontally having a huger effect than any rotation.

And no i dont even have a tiktok acc. Tiktok is so bullshit. Fucking voxzogo and igf-1 signaling or mewing or thumbpulling like wtf its jewish propaganda

No moving the maxilla horizontally will have hardly any effect on the nose when compared to rotation.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

No moving the maxilla horizontally will have hardly any effect on the nose when compared to rotation.

what did u do to get this knowledge besides rotting in this forum section?