LGD4033 Full SARM Guide / Cycle Log (SKINNY NIGGAS GTFIH)

[MogsMost]

Guys I'm actually gonna do it this time I know I have posted like 3 threads previously but every single time I tried to do the cycle I had some fucked up shit happen to me that totally ruined it. This time nothing could POSSIBLY go wrong. Hopefully.

Ok so after getting loads of DMs and shit from random people about PED use and reading some proper retarded takes on the forums I have decided to step back into the limelight and labrat myself for science.

In my personal opinion (keyword, personal opinion) LGD is a miracle drug that completely changed my bodytype. I went from being literally skin and bones to having a very solid torso, and broad shoulders in my first cycle of 8 weeks that I did when I was 17. That first cycle I put on 15kg of mass. I am now a few years older and much wiser and as such I will be attempting my (4th or 5th?) LGD cycle.

Starting statistics:
192cm / 6'3
86kg / 189lbs
Natural bloodwork T came back at about 550ng/dl before I ever touched a PED.
Ran another blood test last week after taking Enclomiphene 12.5mg daily for about a week and a half, got 26.3nmol/L total test (normal range 6-27) and 783.5pmoL/L free T (normal range 200-600). All other markers normal.

Cycle plans
Since I have recently started dabbling with Enclomiphene, I will run Enclo for the entire duration of the cycle, plus at least 2 weeks after. This will help with returning my T back to normal levels as soon as possible and assist in retaining gains.

As I am located in the Southern hemisphere, it is actually summer right now. You may be asking, why the fuck would you bulk during summer? The answer is I'm still norwooding (working on it) and generally chopped, so I don't really care if I'm a little bloated. It will not make a difference. Also, if I notice that I am gaining fat, I'll just cut down on my calorie intake.

Furthermore, I am planning to follow this cycle practically back-to-back with Retatrutide. So that will help.

I will be taking LGD4033 30 minutes to an hour before my workouts, at 7.5mg per day, for 10 weeks.
I will be taking Enclomiphene after I wake up, at 12.5mg per day, for at least 12 weeks.

I have ran 5mg of LGD in the past, I am planning on this being my last hoorah so therefore in light of the SERM being used as well I have increased the dosage. Wouldn't recommend going above 5mg with no SERM.

Other Supplements
Other shit I am taking consists of

1. N-Acetyl Cysteine
2. Topical Benzoyl Peroxide
3. Topical GHK-Cu
4. Topical Tretinoin
5. Oral Finasteride

Summary, diet, workout plans
Will be watching for sides closely (even though I have never had many in the past) and will likely discontinue use if I get anything bad. Will give updates for this.
I will also try to keep rough track of my bench, but I likely won't be maxing out that often. Keep in mind, without a deload week there likely won't be any huge strength increases. Adding a deload week or recovering for at least 3 days every 2 weeks or so will help with this.

Currently working out with a modified PPL 5-6 times a week, but depending on how I feel I may do 7. The whole "don't work out every day, you need recovery time bro" is very true, but to a lesser extent when your body is pumped full of PEDs. Your recovery times will literally be fucked, and you can hit the exact same workout twice in a day. I am working out at least once a day and sometimes twice if I have the energy.

In terms of diet, follow the "seefood diet" (as in the fat kid meme from 2011, see food and eat it). Putting on pure mass is the best thing to focus when on LGD as it is a wet compound. Don't track macros, don't set limits, just fucking eat. Pretty simple. People who think they can't put on 10kg+ in a cycle don't know how to eat, and don't know how to work out. Countless logs on here and elsewhere of exactly that being done, but .org can't handle the truth...

The moral of the story, and what's to come
LGD will help you become a big cunt. No 2 ways about it. And for the side effect profile, literally miraculous.
Will be posting regular updates and answering all questions so go crazy.

 

[dexztor]

high iq post

 

[MogsMost]

Update: Fucking love this shit man. First workout last night, got DOMS bad. Don’t care, I look like a meatball.

 

[Aryan Ogre]

Update: Fucking love this shit man. First workout last night, got DOMS bad. Don’t care, I look like a meatball.

Any updates? Im considering the same but with a lower dosage of LDG (5mg/day)

 

[MogsMost]

Any updates? Im considering the same but with a lower dosage of LDG (5mg/day)

Fucking goated I'm 92kg I look massive and lifting untold weight

 

[MogsMost]

Update

Might not be hitting calorie count consistently, it's hard to stay up there when I don't usually eat a lot. Up to 92-93kg now. Constantly getting complimented on my build. Nice.

 

[prresley]

lgd completly changed my body type too my cheekbones, shoulders, all my bones basically grew and i gained a bunch of skeletal muscle i did not have before because of how ectomorph i was, its literally a miracle drug for me

 

[MogsMost]

lgd completly changed my body type too my cheekbones, shoulders, all my bones basically grew and i gained a bunch of skeletal muscle i did not have before because of how ectomorph i was, its literally a miracle drug for me

Niggas don't believe me when I say it, this shit works wonders.

 

[0ptimized]

is it a good idea to run this while heightmaxxing or nah?

 

[Aromasin]

Never use it lol

 

[MogsMost]

is it a good idea to run this while heightmaxxing or nah?

Not sure exactly but it fucks with your testosterone which in turn would lower your E and DHT.

 

[0ptimized]

Not sure exactly but it fucks with your testosterone which in turn would lower your E and DHT.

fuck so i gotta use a test base for it?

 

[MogsMost]

fuck so i gotta use a test base for it?

I don't personally.

 

[0ptimized]

I don't personally.

No PCT aswell? And youre fine?

 

[MogsMost]

No PCT aswell? And youre fine?

Yeah I’m fine. First time doing PCT is this cycle.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Thread status : watched. Very well informed and detailed journal. You've done your research.

 

[MogsMost]

Update. Stopped at like 6 weeks in, was getting visual sides from Enclo I believe (could have been placebo, didn't want to risk it though)

Sitting pretty at 92kg.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Reasonable length at this dosage. Very good to include pct when going above 5mg, as you stated yourself. Take a breather and keep us updated for anything. Will you run another cycle and if so, which is it going to be? I respect your privacy but it's a shame we don't have any pictures.

 

[MogsMost]

Not sure to be honest bro. Might level up to real roids if I do another cycle though. Just gonna hit a shred with reta soon probably and re evaluate. The physique right now is pretty mushy, frame is great but I certainly don’t look fantastic with my shirt off as I’m not lean.

Reasonable length at this dosage. Very good to include pct when going above 5mg, as you stated yourself. Take a breather and keep us updated for anything. Will you run another cycle and if so, which is it going to be? I respect your privacy but it's a shame we don't have any pictures.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Not sure to be honest bro. Might level up to real roids if I do another cycle though. Just gonna hit a shred with reta soon probably and re evaluate. The physique right now is pretty mushy, frame is great but I certainly don’t look fantastic with my shirt off as I’m not lean.

Getting lean is so hard, I get you. My upper body is shredded, striations on the chest, flayed look on the delts, running veins on the pubic area but the stubborn fat.. The lower belly section is driving me up the wall. Mirin the reta strategy. Frame is everything good job!

Ain't nothing wrong with a steroid cycle ; also interesting if you decide to share your experience.

 

[MogsMost]

Getting lean is so hard, I get you. My upper body is shredded, striations on the chest, flayed look on the delts, running veins on the pubic area but the stubborn fat.. The lower belly section is driving me up the wall. Mirin the reta strategy. Frame is everything good job!

Ain't nothing wrong with a steroid cycle ; also interesting if you decide to share your experience

Yeah anything I do will be posted here. I have a lean ish upper torso but same issue with stubborn belly fat. Never seen abs in my life and I used to train hard cardio multiple times a week, plus deficit etc. Tough. Sorry for lack of photos but yeah, privacy thing. Just imagine adding a few centimeters onto your arms, going up a size or two in jeans, and getting broader.

 

[acidmaxxer]

do you inject or consume orally?? debating on starting my first cycle

 

[MogsMost]

do you inject or consume orally?? debating on starting my first cycle

Oral

 

[Chm]

Ok so after getting loads of DMs and shit from random people about PED use and reading some proper retarded takes on the forums I have decided to step back into the limelight and labrat myself for science.

In my personal opinion (keyword, personal opinion) LGD is a miracle drug that completely changed my bodytype. I went from being literally skin and bones to having a very solid torso, and broad shoulders in my first cycle of 8 weeks that I did when I was 17. That first cycle I put on 15kg of mass. I am now a few years older and much wiser and as such I will be attempting my (4th or 5th?) LGD cycle.

Starting statistics:
192cm / 6'3
86kg / 189lbs
Natural bloodwork T came back at about 550ng/dl before I ever touched a PED.
Ran another blood test last week after taking Enclomiphene 12.5mg daily for about a week and a half, got 26.3nmol/L total test (normal range 6-27) and 783.5pmoL/L free T (normal range 200-600). All other markers normal.

Cycle plans
Since I have recently started dabbling with Enclomiphene, I will run Enclo for the entire duration of the cycle, plus at least 2 weeks after. This will help with returning my T back to normal levels as soon as possible and assist in retaining gains.

As I am located in the Southern hemisphere, it is actually summer right now. You may be asking, why the fuck would you bulk during summer? The answer is I'm still norwooding (working on it) and generally chopped, so I don't really care if I'm a little bloated. It will not make a difference. Also, if I notice that I am gaining fat, I'll just cut down on my calorie intake.

Furthermore, I am planning to follow this cycle practically back-to-back with Retatrutide. So that will help.

I will be taking LGD4033 30 minutes to an hour before my workouts, at 7.5mg per day, for 10 weeks.
I will be taking Enclomiphene after I wake up, at 12.5mg per day, for at least 12 weeks.

I have ran 5mg of LGD in the past, I am planning on this being my last hoorah so therefore in light of the SERM being used as well I have increased the dosage. Wouldn't recommend going above 5mg with no SERM.

Other Supplements
Other shit I am taking consists of

1. N-Acetyl Cysteine
2. Topical Benzoyl Peroxide
3. Topical GHK-Cu
4. Topical Tretinoin
5. Oral Finasteride

Summary, diet, workout plans
Will be watching for sides closely (even though I have never had many in the past) and will likely discontinue use if I get anything bad. Will give updates for this.
I will also try to keep rough track of my bench, but I likely won't be maxing out that often. Keep in mind, without a deload week there likely won't be any huge strength increases. Adding a deload week or recovering for at least 3 days every 2 weeks or so will help with this.

Currently working out with a modified PPL 5-6 times a week, but depending on how I feel I may do 7. The whole "don't work out every day, you need recovery time bro" is very true, but to a lesser extent when your body is pumped full of PEDs. Your recovery times will literally be fucked, and you can hit the exact same workout twice in a day. I am working out at least once a day and sometimes twice if I have the energy.

In terms of diet, follow the "seefood diet" (as in the fat kid meme from 2011, see food and eat it). Putting on pure mass is the best thing to focus when on LGD as it is a wet compound. Don't track macros, don't set limits, just fucking eat. Pretty simple. People who think they can't put on 10kg+ in a cycle don't know how to eat, and don't know how to work out. Countless logs on here and elsewhere of exactly that being done, but .org can't handle the truth...

The moral of the story, and what's to come
LGD will help you become a big cunt. No 2 ways about it. And for the side effect profile, literally miraculous.
Will be posting regular updates and answering all questions so go crazy.

very conservative doses but the half life of LDG may be longer than originally thought, meaning you could have more active compound in yourself at once than you intend and therefore more supression

not saying you will but be prepared for the chance you will need TRT for life, the HPTA is fragile

 

[MogsMost]

very conservative doses but the half life of LDG may be longer than originally thought, meaning you could have more active compound in yourself at once than you intend and therefore more supression

not saying you will but be prepared for the chance you will need TRT for life, the HPTA is fragile

It "could be" but there is no research worth anything to back this up.

These doses are not conservative, they are normal. Anything more than this and you're basically getting diminishing returns. 5-7.5mg is definitely the sweet spot. Going 10+ is just massive suppression for proportionally less gains.

My bloodwork does not reflect any suggestion that I would need TRT. However I would want to do TRT as I get older anyway. Just not yet.

I do take moderate precautions to avoid this but as stated above in thread. Unlikely bordering impossible.

 

[Chm]

It "could be" but there is no research worth anything to back this up.

These doses are not conservative, they are normal. Anything more than this and you're basically getting diminishing returns. 5-7.5mg is definitely the sweet spot. Going 10+ is just massive suppression for proportionally less gains.

My bloodwork does not reflect any suggestion that I would need TRT. However I would want to do TRT as I get older anyway. Just not yet.

I do take moderate precautions to avoid this but as stated above in thread. Unlikely bordering impossible.

doses are normal for somebody with no test base, you could get away with much more and not ever risk depriving your body of sufficient estrogen for physiologic functions

and LGD is a research chemical lmao research "worth anything" is scarce compared to traditional anabolics or just 250 test

 

[MogsMost]

doses are normal for somebody with no test base, you could get away with much more and not ever risk depriving your body of sufficient estrogen for physiologic functions

and LGD is a research chemical lmao research "worth anything" is scarce compared to traditional anabolics or just 250 test

Doing a test base with LGD defeats most of the purpose.

And also your second point is self defeating. There's numerous studies on LGD proving half life and nothing I can find that suggests otherwise.

 

[Chm]

Doing a test base with LGD defeats most of the purpose.

And also your second point is self defeating. There's numerous studies on LGD proving half life and nothing I can find that suggests otherwise.

how does having a test base defeat the purpose.. jfl

 

[MogsMost]

how does having a test base defeat the purpose.. jfl

Because the primary purpose of SARMs was to get androgenic effects without using testosterone. This is literally what they were invented for, and what they are still used for today by bodybuilders recreationally.

If you wanted to get the best results, and you weren't opposed to using test, you would pin test. But most people who use SARMs don't want to pin test. Which is why they use SARMs instead.

You can get equivalent results to SARMs using other anabolics, which is why pinning test just to do SARMs as well is retarded. Considering you're now stacking hormonal damage with endocrine damage from using orals.

Judging from your post history you seem to have had a very unfortunately case of either bunk gear or just terrible genetics. Apologies about this but don't take it out on me. TRT after MK is fucking insane.

 

[Chm]

Because the primary purpose of SARMs was to get androgenic effects without using testosterone. This is literally what they were invented for, and what they are still used for today by bodybuilders recreationally.

If you wanted to get the best results, and you weren't opposed to using test, you would pin test. But most people who use SARMs don't want to pin test. Which is why they use SARMs instead.

You can get equivalent results to SARMs using other anabolics, which is why pinning test just to do SARMs as well is retarded. Considering you're now stacking hormonal damage with endocrine damage from using orals.

Judging from your post history you seem to have had a very unfortunately case of either bunk gear or just terrible genetics. Apologies about this but don't take it out on me. TRT after MK is fucking insane.

this is untrue and unresearched

sarms are giga selective and have plenty of utility if you are already on test

and yes i did have very sensitive genetics for prolactin feedback, but simply there is no way to tell, anybody could get unlucky or suppressed more than you plan. I am 100% sure i had real mk i just wanted to be sure others are aware of the possibility of needing TRT after things don't go exactly to plan, especially with research chemicals lmao

i obv don't have bad height or physique genetics tho so "bad genetics" is hard to say when i was going to take test anyways

 

[MogsMost]

this is untrue and unresearched

sarms are giga selective and have plenty of utility if you are already on test

and yes i did have very sensitive genetics for prolactin feedback, but simply there is no way to tell, anybody could get unlucky or suppressed more than you plan. I am 100% sure i had real mk i just wanted to be sure others are aware of the possibility of needing TRT after things don't go exactly to plan, especially with research chemicals lmao

i obv don't have bad height or physique genetics tho so "bad genetics" is hard to say when i was going to take test anyways

Bad genetics in terms of your reaction to the MK. Unsure about the rest of your situation.

SARMs are giga selective, true and are gram for gram far more powerful than test, but you very very seldom see any serious bodybuilder stacking SARMs and anabolics and there is a good reason for that. But SARMs, test, etc all bind to the same receptors. So if you are already saturated with testosterone, diminishing returns, considering LGD especially is a bloating compound I can't imagine why you would want to stack it with test, it will only give you undesirable sides if any.

True anybody can get unlucky but it's about doing a personal risk assessment and looking after your bloodwork etc to nip issues in the bud. There is always a chance things go wrong but this also is not the "play it safe" forum. There are certain risks that need to be taken to achieve results.

 

[Chm]

Bad genetics in terms of your reaction to the MK. Unsure about the rest of your situation.

SARMs are giga selective, true and are gram for gram far more powerful than test, but you very very seldom see any serious bodybuilder stacking SARMs and anabolics and there is a good reason for that. But SARMs, test, etc all bind to the same receptors. So if you are already saturated with testosterone, diminishing returns, considering LGD especially is a bloating compound I can't imagine why you would want to stack it with test, it will only give you undesirable sides if any.

True anybody can get unlucky but it's about doing a personal risk assessment and looking after your bloodwork etc to nip issues in the bud. There is always a chance things go wrong but this also is not the "play it safe" forum. There are certain risks that need to be taken to achieve results.

bodybuilders often incorporate sarms into protocols, typicaly something injectable like RAD-140 because it is 1/90 anabolic to androgenic and a phisique athlete could be extremeley anabolic with lower total androgenic load especially on prep because rad is so dry.

i do respect you, good arguments

 

[MogsMost]

bodybuilders often incorporate sarms into protocols, typicaly something injectable like RAD-140 because it is 1/90 anabolic to androgenic and a phisique athlete could be extremeley anabolic with lower total androgenic load especially on prep because rad is so dry.

i do respect you, good arguments

Likewise brother.