“life doesn’t come from nonlife” is a illogical argument christian’s make

[swt]

how is saying that the universe came from nothing any less logical than saying the universe came from god who came from nothing

like huhh

people say the universe coming from nothing is illogical, but god’s story is the same

“he always existed”

there has to be a start to everything that exists it’s simply impossible for something to never have a start and exist

 

[swt]

like literally use your brains please man

 

[RXnd]

Muh Biogenesis

 

[afroheadluke]

how do i know if i’m autistic

going to a professional won’t do shit because my body language won’t show anything so i might aswell find it online i had GPT ask me questions in attempt to get diagnosed but it refuses to diagnose me..?? idek what to do

looksmax.org

you answered your own question

 

[swt]

how do i know if i’m autistic

going to a professional won’t do shit because my body language won’t show anything so i might aswell find it online i had GPT ask me questions in attempt to get diagnosed but it refuses to diagnose me..?? idek what to do

looksmax.org

you answered your own question

literally says nothing

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

how is saying that the universe came from nothing any less logical than saying the universe came from god who came from nothing

The universe didn’t come from nothing

And I’m saying this as an atheist

It definitely came from somewhere but just not God

 

[afroheadluke]

literally says nothing

r u dumb

stoopid

or dumb

huh?

 

[swt]

The universe didn’t come from nothing

And I’m saying this as an atheist

It definitely came from somewhere but just not God

where do you think it came from?

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

The universe didn’t come from nothing

And I’m saying this as an atheist

It definitely came from somewhere but just not God

mogger pfp of Engels blackpilled shittypost account

 

[JasGews69x]

there has to be a start to everything that exists it’s simply impossible for something to never have a start and exist

if that was the case then nothing would exist

The only thing that makes sense of the reality around us that something is timeless/eternal.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

where do you think it came from?

How would I know?

But we know it came from somewhere

Literally any explanation is infinitely more likely than the universe coming from nothing

Because of Occam’s razor

The universe coming from a farting anime character makes more sense then it coming from nothing

 

[swt]

if that was the case then nothing would exist

The only thing that makes sense of the reality around us that something is timeless/eternal.

wait ur right

 

[noobs]

How would I know?

But we know it came from somewhere

Literally any explanation is infinitely more likely than the universe coming from nothing

Because of Occam’s razor

The universe coming from a farting anime character makes more sense then it coming from nothing

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

how is saying that the universe came from nothing any less logical than saying the universe came from god who came from nothing

like huhh

people say the universe coming from nothing is illogical, but god’s story is the same

“he always existed”

there has to be a start to everything that exists it’s simply impossible for something to never have a start and exist

The irony is that you Gaytheists make out like you have all the answers and act like your correct but say “Yeah one day the pre universe farted and then POOF the universe existed yes SOYence” I mean the arguments Gaytheists make is so cringe and you suits I have noticed only attack Christian’s it’s rather strange what about us is rent free in you cringelords heads? Your little peanut SOYANCE brain seems to be really jarred by Christian’s

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

mogger pfp of Engels

My avi is Max Stirner not Engels?

 

[onelife]

both ideas deal with the same problem which is something existing without a cause. If all things need a beginning, saying god has always existed contradicts that. if god can be eternal, why can’t the universe or whatever caused it be as well?

my answer and belief on this topic isn't definitive tho, i battle with it daily

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

My avi is Max Stirner not Engels?

same person

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

My avi is Max Stirner not Engels?

stirner has no photo and the most known depiction of him is the drawning in your pfp made by Engels

"stirner" is just engels .org account

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

If all things need a beginning,

No one says that

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The universe didn’t come from nothing

And I’m saying this as an atheist

It definitely came from somewhere but just not God

Then who and what is the thing that the universe is ultimately grounded in mr smart guy. Go on tell us, and then whilst your at it can you explain the ontological state of Ethics, metaphysics, Truth and epistemology?

What grounds these objectively what is mathematics for instance grounded in considering its immaterial but we can access and use mathmatics in our material universe yet the principle Itself is immaterial?


You dumbass Gaytheists are so fucking pompous and irritating until you guys have to face Philosophy then you have brain aneurisms because you dickheads like OP realise you have the IQ of donuts

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

The irony is that you Gaytheists make out like you have all the answers and act like your correct but say “Yeah one day the pre universe farted and then POOF the universe existed yes SOYence” I mean the arguments Gaytheists make is so cringe and you suits I have noticed only attack Christian’s it’s rather strange what about us is rent free in you cringelords heads? Your little peanut SOYANCE brain seems to be really jarred by Christian’s

I’m amazed at how you make Christianity seem even more retarded than it already is

 

[JasGews69x]

wait ur right

oh...you agree

You can see the attributes of the thing that made the Universe through the universe.

-Timeless/Eternal since time began at the beginning of the Universe which means what ever made it is beyond Time.
-Power (Beyond imagination) to create a Universe since atoms have great power and the Universe is made of atoms.
-Knowledge (Beyond imagination) on how to Create a Universe since its extremely complex
-Choose to bring the Universe into existence since it started to exist (Will beyond imagination)

What do people call that?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How would I know?

But we know it came from somewhere

Literally any explanation is infinitely more likely than the universe coming from nothing

Because of Occam’s razor

The universe coming from a farting anime character makes more sense then it coming from nothing

Tbh I misjudged you. Your actually bro as retarded as you seem

Also the reply you responded to was to OP not to you so why are you replying to it ? I replied to him in the context of the thread don’t fucking reply to it, it clearly doesn’t reflect your views, dickhead


Maybe you are retarded what a conundrum of a brain you have, Able to speak sense In one respect then speaking like a complete Buffon in the other.

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

human life comes from ball sack

 

[onelife]

No one says that

huh?? elaborate

 

[Rabbi]

I don’t think that represents the argument properly.

It’s stated that everything that begins must have a cause, the universe had a beginning and therefore must have a cause.

That cause is God, and God had/has no beginning.

Of course there are a lot of assumptions packed into that.

 

[playxiing]

How would I know?

But we know it came from somewhere

Literally any explanation is infinitely more likely than the universe coming from nothing

Because of Occam’s razor

The universe coming from a farting anime character makes more sense then it coming from nothing

are u muslim or sum?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

huh?? elaborate

No one says everything needs a beginning

The claim Christian’s make is that everything that has a beginning needs a cause

Which is true.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

are u muslim or sum?

Atheist

 

[silently_said]

primordial soup

 

[playxiing]

Atheist

i am not

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Tbh I misjudged you. Your actually bro as retarded as you seem

Also the reply you responded to was to OP not to you so why are you replying to it ? I replied to him in the context of the thread don’t fucking reply to it, it clearly doesn’t reflect your views, dickhead


Maybe you are retarded what a conundrum of a brain you have, Able to speak sense In one respect then speaking like a complete Buffon in the other.

Alright Christ cuck

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

That cause is God, and God had/has no beginning.

Massive leap in logic “the universe had a cause so it must be God!”

Religious logic

 

[onelife]

No one says everything needs a beginning

The claim Christian’s make is that everything that has a beginning needs a cause

Which is true.

hat still leaves the question: why assume the universe had a beginning that needed a cause? some models in physics suggest it could be eternal or self-existent, meaning no cause is required

also, hella people argue that everything needs a beginning

that’s quite literally the whole basis of the 'universe can’t come from nothing' argument.

if you don’t think everything needs a beginning, then the universe itself could be uncaused or eternal, making the god explanation unnecessary

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

also, hella people argue that everything needs a beginning

I’ve never heard a single theist say that

that’s quite literally the whole basis of the 'universe can’t come from nothing' argument.

No it’s not, the reason the universe can’t come from nothing is because it violates the PCR and Occam’s razor also shows that the universe came from somewhere

then the universe itself could be uncaused or eternal, making the god explanation unnecessary

Scientists use to think that the universe didn’t have a beginning but we know it does now because of general relativity

 

[Rabbi]

Massive leap in logic “the universe had a cause so it must be God!”

Religious logic

I’m obviously simplifying it from its full form but there’s arguments as to why said ‘cause’ of the universe would have characteristics making it a deity like agency and intelligence.

I’m not saying im committed to that position because I am not convinced by said argument alone but it’s how it’s typically formulated.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Alright Christ cuck

Ok gay boy, plz tell me do telll who or what made the universe then

Come on it should be so hard PaGAYan faggot

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I’m obviously simplifying it from its full form but there’s arguments as to why said ‘cause’ of the universe would have characteristics making it a deity like agency and intelligence.

I’m not saying im committed to that position because I am not convinced by said argument alone but it’s how it’s typically formulated.

All arguments for why the “cause” would need to be intelligent have been debunked

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Come on it should be so hard PaGAYan faggot

Not a pagan you dumb faggot, I don’t believe in any God

Ok gay boy, plz tell me do telll who or what made the universe then

How would I know? There’s just no reason to believe it was a God

In fact quantum mechanics actually implies that it’s more likely that this cause wasn’t intelligent at all

 

[onelife]

I’ve never heard a single theist say that

entire idea behind cosmological argument is that the universe had to have a beg, & therefore a cause.
hella theists argue this, which is why they reject shit like an eternal universe. if they don’t believe everything needs a beginning, then an uncaused universe should be just as valid as an uncaused God

No it’s not, the reason the universe can’t come from nothing is because it violates the PCR it Occam’s razor also shows that the universe came from somewhere

first, what exactly do you mean by 'violates the PCR' ? If you’re talking about the principle of causality, that assumes classical causation applies outside of time and space, which isn't necessarily true. in regards to the occam’s razor stuff, it definitely favors the simpler explanation and stuff, but that doesn’t automatically prove the universe had a cause. and thats especially if the alternative requires adding an additional uncaused entity (like a god)

Scientists use to think that the universe didn’t have a beginning but we know it does now because of general relativity

general relativity supports a universe with a beginning under certain conditions, but quantum mechanics somewhat complicates it a tad. a few models talk about a past eternal universe or one that comes naturally from quantum fluctuations. the debate truly isn’t done/settled, and saying we ‘know’ the universe had a beginning is an oversimplification, imho

 

[JasGews69x]

hat still leaves the question: why assume the universe had a beginning that needed a cause? some models in physics suggest it could be eternal or self-existent, meaning no cause is required

Because the Universe is expanding which means at one point it was in a Singular point.

You destroy yourself when you say 'could'

 

[onelife]

Because the Universe is expanding which means at one point it was in a Singular point.

You destroy yourself when you say 'could'

bro the bigbang describes universe expanding from a super dense state, but that shit doesnt necessarily mean it came from ‘nothing’ or that the singularity was absolute beginning. theres some models that talk about a prior state, like a cyclic universe or quantum fluctuations. this means there wasn’t necessarily a true ‘start.’ also, saying ‘could’ isn’t self-defeating at all, it’s just acknowledging that science is still exploring this. nothing is 100% settled

 

[Lefty Rankin]

how is saying that the universe came from nothing any less logical than saying the universe came from god who came from nothing

like huhh

people say the universe coming from nothing is illogical, but god’s story is the same

“he always existed”

there has to be a start to everything that exists it’s simply impossible for something to never have a start and exist

God didn't come from nothing or anything. He has always been.

Eternity is like a box. Or rather we, where we have time (this four dimensional "universe"), is the box. Step out of that box and and you enter eternity. It's a different realm. In eternity there is change but there is no temporal dimension.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Not a pagan you dumb faggot, I don’t believe in any God


How would I know? There’s just no reason to believe it was a God

In fact quantum mechanics actually implies that it’s more likely that this cause wasn’t intelligent at all

The evidence is that we need an explanation an account an justification for immaterial invariant principles that we know exist we know are real but are not based on material (universe) as I said mathematics for example, it’s not something based on material but is an universal invariant abstract entity, how do you account for such things such as knowledge, metaphysics truth and even ethics? These things need to be grounded in a transcendental being that is beyond material beyond the “universe” and also beyond the principles that undergird and structure then verse such as mathmatics.

This being is called god, all is a reflection of his divine mind, infact without a personal being called God you can’t say anything is ordered it’s all chaos but we can seee an order in creation that’s how the self is able to speak in space time and your able to pick up the speech the language interpret that within space time and relay the info back to me for my self to interest and respond back to it using LOGIC, another universal invariant abstract entity.


The rabbit hole goes deeper and your hand wavey explanation doesn’t cut it m8, do better GAYtheist boy, your half way there buddy

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

how is saying that the universe came from nothing any less logical than saying the universe came from god who came from nothing

like huhh

people say the universe coming from nothing is illogical, but god’s story is the same

“he always existed”

there has to be a start to everything that exists it’s simply impossible for something to never have a start and exist

arguing with religioncels is worse than being a religioncel

do better

 

[swt]

arguing with religioncels is worse than being a religioncel

do better

not arguing, making a point

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

bro the bigbang describes universe expanding from a super dense state, but that shit doesnt necessarily mean it came from ‘nothing’ or that the singularity was absolute beginning. theres some models that talk about a prior state, like a cyclic universe or quantum fluctuations. this means there wasn’t necessarily a true ‘start.’ also, saying ‘could’ isn’t self-defeating at all, it’s just acknowledging that science is still exploring this. nothing is 100% settled

Irony is that it was a Roman Catholic priest who came up with the big bang

GAYtheists can do nothing but steal from other paradigms (mainly Christianity because it’s the only true one) and then after cribbing our stuff they turn around and say “Thanks Christian’s for alllwoing us to steal your stuff we are now going to say a wonderful thank you by saying YOUR GOD ISNT REAL, as I kindly steal Christian ethics “

 

[JasGews69x]

bro the bigbang describes universe expanding from a super dense state, but that shit doesnt necessarily mean it came from ‘nothing’ or that the singularity was absolute beginning.

I didnt say it came from nothing...

It came from something that has the ability to start a big bang... speaking from common sense... a big bang cant start without having the ability to start one...

it’s just acknowledging that science is still exploring this. nothing is 100% settled

bro is waiting for scientists to tell him a creator exists

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

entire idea behind cosmological argument is that the universe had to have a beg, & therefore a cause.
hella theists argue this,

Yes the claim is that all things with a beginning have a cause

Not that all things have a beginning what don’t you understand?

classical causation applies outside of time and space, which isn't necessarily true.

The PSR is a logical object, if the PSR is false outside the universe then it would need to be false within the universe as well

If the PSR is false within the universe then it’s entirely possible that your perceptual states are occurring for no reason at all

So everything you believe could be occurring for no reason at all

So any argument you make would be void, you can’t use the PSR to attack the PSR.

doesn’t automatically prove the universe had a cause

It does prove the universe had a cause, because literally any explanation is more simple than the idea that the universe came from nothing because the universe coming from nothing isn’t an explanation at all(by definition)

and thats especially if the alternative requires adding an additional uncaused entity (like a god)

I agree here, I don’t believe in God. But the universe pretty obviously had a cause

a few models talk about a past eternal universe

No they don’t provide a link to such a model

naturally from quantum fluctuations.

Ye

 

[superpsycho]

this shit is too high iq for me sorry