Lifefuel for collapsed midface cels

[whiteissuperior]

Dr Eugene Keller has done research on Quadangular LF2 Osteotomies and seems willing to perform it on non syndromic patients. The advantage of his cut is it can be done intraorally. He has been doing research on higher osteotomies for years. Only downside is he has to be really really old. Would you let a man likely in his early 80s operate on you??

Another Dr listed in this paper was Scott D Urban, but it is unclear how focused he is on craniofacial surgery these days. Links to the paper as well as both doctors websites

https://www.minnesotaoralsurgery.com/meet-us/dr-eugene-keller/

https://www.utahfacialsurgicalarts.com/oral-maxillofacial-surgery/jaw-surgery/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0278239104003969

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[longjohnmong]

Keller is retired. Just emailed his office yesterday. The secretary said another dude in the office would do it if an orthodontist said you needed it. Know any blackpilled orthos?

Found another dude in Vienna who wrote an article on the IQLFII and emailed him and am waiting to hear back although I doubt I ever will.

Regular Lefort I can give pretty good results though. I'm pretty sure this dude just had regular CCW LF I:

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Run bbc game and you are fine

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I’ve realized my midface recession isn’t bad enough that it can’t be fixed with implants. My lower midface is normie tier it’s just my orbital rims and zygos that are a bit recessed. Going to ask my surgeon if we can do implants alongside bimax.
I still would’ve preferred a MLF3 osteotomy but I don’t have enough time or money to justify going through the extra trouble

You’ve consulted with surgeons right? What did they say when they saw your scans, from what I remember from your X-RAY you’re recessed enough to justify it

 

[whiteissuperior]

I’ve realized my midface recession isn’t bad enough that it can’t be fixed with implants. My lower midface is normie tier it’s just my orbital rims and zygos that are a bit recessed. Going to ask my surgeon if we can do implants alongside bimax.
I still would’ve preferred a MLF3 osteotomy but I don’t have enough time or money to justify going through the extra trouble

You’ve consulted with surgeons right? What did they say when they saw your scans, from what I remember from your X-RAY you’re recessed enough to justify it

i didnt know about IQLFII while I was consulting, im gonna consult with my first surgeon to see if he'll do it

Keller is retired. Just emailed his office yesterday. The secretary said another dude in the office would do it if an orthodontist said you needed it. Know any blackpilled orthos?

Found another dude in Vienna who wrote an article on the IQLFII and emailed him and am waiting to hear back although I doubt I ever will.

Regular Lefort I can give pretty good results though. I'm pretty sure this dude just had regular CCW LF I:

based asf. ive made a few other threads in this section about higher leforts, look it up. I cant get CCW due to occlusal plane despite severe downward growth., and bimax protrusion limits LF1 advancement.

mirin high IQ lefortceller contacting surgeons and shit, now I know where to get a higher cut lefort in peace.

Im gonna make a groupchat for ppl who are seerious about Lefort 2/3 tbh.

 

[Deleted member 17244]

based asf. ive made a few other threads in this section about higher leforts, look it up. I cant get CCW due to occlusal plane despite severe downward growth., and bimax protrusion limits LF1 advancement.

mirin high IQ lefortceller contacting surgeons and shit, now I know where to get a higher cut lefort in peace.

Im gonna make a groupchat for ppl who are seerious about Lefort 2/3 tbh.

how to measure occlusal plane

 

[whiteissuperior]

how to measure occlusal plane

 

[Deleted member 17244]

ideal is below 10?

 

[whiteissuperior]

ideal is below 10?

The angular relationship of the occlusal plane and Frankfort horizontal (occlusal plane angle, normal value 8 degrees +/- 4 degrees) is very important, in both diagnosis and treatment planning, but is usually ignored.

ccw is for ppl with high occlusal plane angles.

now gimme reacts for answering ur shitty questions u coulda just googled

 

[Deleted member 17244]

The angular relationship of the occlusal plane and Frankfort horizontal (occlusal plane angle, normal value 8 degrees +/- 4 degrees) is very important, in both diagnosis and treatment planning, but is usually ignored.

ccw is for ppl with high occlusal plane angles.

now gimme reacts for answering ur shitty questions u coulda just googled

s-sorry, bro.

 

[MadTwatter]

Keller is retired. Just emailed his office yesterday. The secretary said another dude in the office would do it if an orthodontist said you needed it. Know any blackpilled orthos?

Found another dude in Vienna who wrote an article on the IQLFII and emailed him and am waiting to hear back although I doubt I ever will.

Regular Lefort I can give pretty good results though. I'm pretty sure this dude just had regular CCW LF I:

Altan V did my bimax with maxillary downgrafting.
I'd personally recommend him but others have had bad experiences.

 

[longjohnmong]

Altan V did my bimax with maxillary downgrafting.
I'd personally recommend him but others have had bad experiences.

What was the cost? What type of bad experiences?

He's the first dude besides Alfaro who doesn't leave the chin a few mm behind the lips like a cuck because some surgeon said that was ideal 50 years ago, and doesn't seem like a complete madman, aside from ultra expensive US surgeons. Looking through B&As is infuriating when again and again these otherwise decent surgeons capable of doing CCW leave their male patient with a little pussy jaw. Meanwhile Chad Alfaro is going balls to the walls.

Look at this Alfar result from facebook: