LINE THEORY FOR DETERMINING RECESSION/LACK OF HARMONY

[Deleted member 7076]

im not very accurate with the lines because im just roughly sketching them but these are the points i aim for:

basically your first line (nose angle) is your 'base', and the other 2 lines determine which bones need to be moved forward

for gandy, his first line isnt the same as his second line (lower maxilla), and his first line is the same as his third line (mandible). so Gandy would look better with a Lefort 1, but doesnt need BSSO/IMDO/Genio

for meeks, his first line is the same as his second line, so his lower maxilla is not recessed, he doesn't need Lefort 1. But his first line is not the same as the third line, so his mandible is recessed. So Meeks would look better with BSSO/IMDO/Genio

for this guy, his first line does not line up with his second line (lower maxilla) or third line (mandible. Therefore he is a good candidate for Bimax (Lefort 1 + BSSO)

for this guy, hes very forward grown but you can see the angles are not the same, which is why it doesn't look harmonious

this 'line' theory is good because it accounts for head tilt, you don't need to be in frankfurt plane. the relative difference in line angles should be the same regardless of head fraud or not. however, the mouth has to be relaxed, teeth touching - smiling and mouth open make the second and third line invalid

i've noticed that the most natural looking side profiles will have the angles exactly the same

@thecel let me know what your thoughts are on this

 

[Deleted member 7076]

here u can see the relative difference in angles between the lines is the same no matter the head tilt: o'pry will always have a steeper first line (nose angle) compared to his two other lines

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Op do this for my side profile tbh

Be 100% honest, at this point don't care anymore if it's shit I'm just intrigued .

You said angle doesn't matter right

Tell me if I'm harmonious or not.

Yes I know I need a genio, it's coming soon

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Op do this for my side profile tbh

Be 100% honest, at this point don't care anymore if it's shit I'm just intrigued .

You said angle doesn't matter right

Tell me if I'm harmonious or not.

Yes I know I need a genio, it's coming soon

seems like you need slight advancement for the second line to be aligned, so small Lefort 1. Your third line needs alot of advancement to align with the first line so BSSO/IMDO/Genio, this is a bigger problem than your lower maxilla. AKA u need bimax son

 

[Deleted member 6531]

seems like you need slight advancement for the second line to be aligned, so small Lefort 1. Your third line needs alot of advancement to align with the first line so BSSO/IMDO/Genio, this is a bigger problem than your lower maxilla. AKA u need bimax son
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Yup bimax and genio soon.


Thank you mate, I appreciate it.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Yup bimax and genio soon.


Thank you mate, I appreciate it.

good choice, good luck

 

[SeiGun]

u dint compare more subhuman?

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Can I DM you?

 

[Deleted member 7076]

@thecel what flaws are there with this? It doesn't work with someone with an underbite

 

[Deleted member 7725]

@thecel what flaws are there with this? It doesn't work with someone with an underbite

Head position, mouth width, and whether they are smiling or not plays a role.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Head position, mouth width, and whether they are smiling or not plays a role.

yeah i mentioned that teeth have to be touching with the mouth relaxed

that wouldn't affect the second line though, just the third line

and head position doesnt make a difference in the relative angles you draw, thats why i think its a good theory

 

[mulattomaxxer]

This is a good theory. High IQ post. I will test this on some more attractive people. This should also be conducted on some subhumans. Birdcel is a good cadindate, I don't think you would have to search hard to find some other recessed dogs.

Would you say their is an ideal angle for each line? From my observations it appears to be about 45 degrees for each line.

 

[Carolus]

Interesting theory. Though worrisome that my angles are similar to mr O'pry

 

[Deleted member 7076]

This is a good theory. High IQ post. I will test this on some more attractive people. This should also be conducted on some subhumans. Birdcel is a good cadindate, I don't think you would have to search hard to find some other recessed dogs.

Would you say their is an ideal angle for each line? From my observations it appears to be about 45 degrees for each line.

everytime its a subhuman the angles are all fucked up its pretty clear when someone is recessed with this

 

[mulattomaxxer]

Interesting theory. Though worrisome that my angles are similar to mr O'pry

Front profile > Side profile. Its why people like meeks are models despite being slightly recessed.

 

[mulattomaxxer]

everytime its a subhuman the angles are all fucked up its pretty clear when someone is recessed with this

Going to do this on my self when I wake up. I plan on getting bimax so hopefully its not completely over. Maybe I will post it here if I feeling low inhib

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Would you say their is an ideal angle for each line? From my observations it appears to be about 45 degrees for each line.

i think the first line determines everything, the flatter that first line is the less forward grown you would look even if all the other lines are the same angle in harmony

i guess thats the upper maxilla pill

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Going to do this on my self when I wake up. I plan on getting bimax so hopefully its not completely over. Maybe I will post it here if I feeling low inhib

you can PM, literally takes me 5 seconds to do it lol

 

[Carolus]

i think the first line determines everything, the flatter that first line is the less forward grown you would look even if all the other lines are the same angle in harmony

i guess thats the upper maxilla pill

Do you mean the more horizontal the first line is the more forward grown your upper maxilla is?

 

[Deleted member 7076]

Do you mean the more horizontal the first line is the more forward grown your upper maxilla is?

yeah

first line = upper maxilla projection

second line = lower maxilla projection

third line = mandible projection

 

[thecel]

@thecel what flaws are there with this? It doesn't work with someone with an underbite

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Let’s do the line test on this guy:

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His 1st and 2nd lines are pretty much parallel, and his 3rd line is more vertical than the other 2:

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Based on the test, we conclude his chin is recessed and needs an implant:

Perfection.

 

[volcelfatcel]

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Let’s do the line test on this guy:

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His 1st and 2nd lines are pretty much parallel, and his 3rd line is more vertical than the other 2:

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Based on the test, we conclude that his chin is recessed and needs an implant:

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Perfection.

do one for khhv subhuman tyler maher

 

[Deleted member 7076]

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Let’s do the line test on this guy:

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His 1st and 2nd lines are pretty much parallel, and his 3rd line is more vertical than the other 2:

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Based on the test, we conclude his chin is recessed and needs an implant:

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Perfection.

it looks bad

the thing about this theory is that it doesnt take into accounnt gonial angle or any other factors

 

[Deleted member 7076]

do one for khhv subhuman tyler maher
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[Carolus]

it looks bad

the thing about this theory is that it doesnt take into accounnt gonial angle or any other factors

Tbh that guy's teeth don't look occluded and he has abnormally protruding lips
@thecel

 

[thecel]

it looks bad

the thing about this theory is that it doesnt take into accounnt gonial angle or any other factors

Yeah. Like every ratio and test, it’s just ONE TOOL. No single theory accounts for everything, and that’s okay. You always analyze faces with multiple methods.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

@thecel xD

 

[thecel]

This line should be parallel to the 3 lines too.

The test has 4 lines now!

 

[Deleted member 7076]

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This line should be parallel to the 3 lines too.

Now the test has 4 lines!

its tough to see that line from a side profile picture without the person being really lean for the bones to stick out though right

 

[Syxiacos]

good theory

 

[noprogressno]

The second lines are drawn from the side of the nose to lower lip right? Also dont you think it is a better idea to draw the first line straight from the nasal bone instead of drawing from the starting point of the nose to the tip of the nose for someone whose upper maxilla is severely recessed? I think that would give a more accurate result since if the upper and lower maxilla wasn't recessed the support it gives would bring up the nasal upper lateral cartilage to nasal bones level.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

The second lines are drawn from the side of the nose to lower lip right? Also dont you think it is a better idea to draw the first line straight from the nasal bone instead of drawing from the starting point of the nose to the tip of the nose for someone whose upper maxilla is severely recessed? I think that would give a more accurate result since if the upper and lower maxilla wasn't recessed the support it gives would bring up the nasal upper lateral cartilage to nasal bones level.

sketch the lines that ur thinking of so i can see it

 

[noprogressno]

give me a recessed side profile with hooked nose?

 

[LastHopeForNorman]

Its so fucking over

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

It's legit.

One little piece is missing though might add in another thread

 

[Deleted member 7076]

It's legit.

One little piece is missing though might add in another thread

whats the missing piece

 

[Deleted member 14139]

Its so fucking over
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prime femboy material

 

[user47283]

im not very accurate with the lines because im just roughly sketching them but these are the points i aim for:
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basically your first line (nose angle) is your 'base', and the other 2 lines determine which bones need to be moved forward

for gandy, his first line isnt the same as his second line (lower maxilla), and his first line is the same as his third line (mandible). so Gandy would look better with a Lefort 1, but doesnt need BSSO/IMDO/Genio
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for meeks, his first line is the same as his second line, so his lower maxilla is not recessed, he doesn't need Lefort 1. But his first line is not the same as the third line, so his mandible is recessed. So Meeks would look better with BSSO/IMDO/Genio
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for this guy, his first line does not line up with his second line (lower maxilla) or third line (mandible. Therefore he is a good candidate for Bimax (Lefort 1 + BSSO)
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for this guy, hes very forward grown but you can see the angles are not the same, which is why it doesn't look harmonious
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this 'line' theory is good because it accounts for head tilt, you don't need to be in frankfurt plane. the relative difference in line angles should be the same regardless of head fraud or not. however, the mouth has to be relaxed, teeth touching - smiling and mouth open make the second and third line invalid

i've noticed that the most natural looking side profiles will have the angles exactly the same
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@thecel let me know what your thoughts are on this

Some truth but the main thing is just bone visibility. U can have a small jaw as long as it’s well defined all along the border of the mandible and ramus and have tight submental close to 90 degree angle

 

[Deleted member 14562]

Yeah man, clearly what I need is more forward growth in my upper and lower maxillary region to get a more harmonious profile jfl.I’d look like a dog with any more advancement.

Honestly fuck my life. Overprojected nose tip and anterior nasal spine throws everything off. Sucks that I don’t even have a recessed chin but still need a genio and some ridiculous rhinoplasty to get a harmonious side profile.

 

[Deleted member 5786]

good thread
@subhuman incel

 

[Deleted member 21192]

late to the thread
this is a good theory basis however, a few major flaws:
1. this only applies if the nose isn't horribly flawed
2. the 2nd line is also based on the mandible, so if your mandible is retarded then the 2nd line will always be retarded (so this doesn't properly show maxilla projection, this just shows maxilla projection in comparison to mandible)