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Part 1 Softmax methods for lips @Emancipator
Right now, me and Odindvatres are gonna tell you what to do for tasty, juicy lips. My part is softmaxxing methods without any syringes etc., and the second part from OdindvatresOdindvatres will be specifically about more serious methods. Here we’re specifically talking about lip fullness, so if you need a guide on lip color, I’ve already written one in the coloring guide:
1. DERMAPEN
Just the foundation for our entire following guide, because it inflicts controlled microtrauma. The body switches into emergency regeneration mode (powerful release of growth factors and neocollagenesis).
It also multiplies the effects of any serums many times over.
Do it once every three days.
2. Volufiline
Stimulates the division and growth of adipocytes (fat cells) in the subcutaneous fat layer.
Creates long-term, dense volume. Lips enlarge due to their own fat layer. The effect is cumulative and appears after 3–8 weeks of daily use.
You need to apply it every day at night, and the effect will appear after 1–2 months. Again, before use it’s better to use the dermapen so the Volufiline absorbs better.
The downside is that the effect lasts several months after it appears, so essentially you have to always apply it. Also a very big downside is that the studies on its effectiveness were done by the company that created it.
3. Adipofill’in
Kind of like Volufiline. If Volufiline makes fat cells multiply, Adipofill’in mimics the effect of lipofilling: it activates fat synthesis inside already existing cells, making them increase in size.
Everything here is the same as with Volufiline and the dermapen, and you apply it the same way.
4. Topical hyaluronic acid
Pure hyaluronic acid works like a sponge that attracts and holds water up to 1000 times its weight.
The lip enlargement process goes in three directions:
Absorbed water turns into a dense gel that physically inflates the lip tissues from the inside.
Swelling in skin folds, it pushes their bottom outward. Lips become mirror-smooth.
You also need to do it with the dermapen, and apply 2 times a day, morning/evening. It lasts one day and takes effect almost immediately.
5. Peptide
Palmitoyl Tripeptide-1
The most well-known and researched peptide for lips. It stimulates collagen and glycosaminoglycan synthesis. Clinical tests by the creators of the component (Sederma) show that when used 3 times a day for a month, lip volume increases by an average of 40%, wrinkle depth decreases by 29%, and hydration increases by 60%.
Also with our beloved dermapen. The effect will come in about 3 weeks and lasts about 3 months.
6. Plumpers
Something you shouldn’t use with a dermapen, because it burns like hell.
These are like balms/serums etc. that you apply to your lips before going out, and because they’re menthol/pepper-based, they cause slight irritation. In response, the body urgently dilates capillaries and sends a powerful blood flow to the lips. Because of this, your lips really do get bigger for about 2–3 hours.
All plumpers are divided into two types by mechanism of action:
Heating (trigger blood flow)
Capsaicin (chili pepper extract): The strongest. Causes strong burning and fast, pronounced swelling.
Ginger or cinnamon extract: Act milder than pepper, pleasantly tingle and warm the skin.
Cooling (trigger microcirculation through cold)
Menthol or mint: Stimulate cold receptors. Vessels first sharply constrict, then dilate, causing lip swelling.
Anyway, the main thing: don’t use them with a dermapen or it’ll burn and hurt like hell.
7. Makeup
Well, this is simple: watch on YouTube how femboys do makeup, and if you’re a bit low-effort, use it too.
AND OF COURSE NUTRITION
Drink a lot of water and eat normal healthy food.
SEE THE REST IN THE SECOND PART OF THE GUIDE FROM MY BROTHER; HE HAS STRONGER METHODS THERE.
---
Part 2 Injection guide @Odindvatres
Where do you need to inject, bro?
1. Center of the upper lip, under the nose. This is a fucking dangerous point; the superior labial artery comes almost to the surface there. Don’t inject directly into the tubercle; go around it from the side along the vermilion border. Microboluses of 0.02–0.05 ml, no deeper than 2 mm. If there’s sharp pain or the skin turns white, you hit the artery, stop immediately.
2. Philtrum. This is the vertical groove between the nose and upper lip. There are a bunch of small arterial branches there, and filler easily flies upward into the nose. Don’t inject into the skin above the lip. Work strictly along the very top of the vermilion border, superficially, microboluses of 0.02 ml. Don’t go deeper than 1–2 mm.
3. Inner mucosa. This is the side of the lip inside the mouth. Arteries lie very close to the surface there; the risk of occlusion (when filler blocks a vessel and tissue starts dying) is high. Don’t inject. Work only along the outer contour and tubercles on the outside.
4. Corners of the mouth. This is a risk zone, damn. Branches of the facial artery and nerves pass there. If you want to widen the mouth a little, put 0.1 ml directly into the corner, no deeper than 2–3 mm. Numbness or shooting pain — stop immediately and call an ambulance.
5. Hyaluronidase. This is an enzyme that dissolves hyaluronic filler. It must be on hand before everything else. Without it, you don’t take the risk. If the injection site turns white, sharp pain, numbness, or vision blurs — this is vascular occlusion. Immediately do a warm compress, light massage, hyaluronidase into the area in a fan pattern 150–350 IU (if it doesn’t help, hospitalization).
6. Aspiration. Not mandatory; I’ve seen it in guides, but there’s not much guarantee; holding the needle still for 5–10 seconds is hard.
How to inject, bro?
1. Preparation. Wash your hands, put on gloves. Wipe lips with an alcohol wipe. Anesthetic cream in a thick layer, wait 20–30 minutes for it to work. Mark points with a white pencil. Mark artery zones and stay at least a couple centimeters away from them.
2. Kit. Soft hyaluronic filler (Juvederm Ultra, Restylane, Belotero), 27–29G needles, 25G cannula 38–50 mm (blunt tip, greatly reduces the risk of puncturing a vessel, highly recommend), hyaluronidase as an antidote, alcohol wipes, cotton balls, needle container. Change the needle every 0.5–1 ml; it dulls and the risks fucking grow.
3. Angle and depth. Needle at a 30–45 degree angle to the lip. Depth maximum 2–3 mm, no more. Target layer right under the mucosa. If it hits something hard, that’s a tooth, don’t push.
4. Technique for contour. Insert the needle into the vermilion border and slowly withdraw it back while simultaneously pushing out filler. 0.05–0.1 ml per needle length. Everything must be done carefully.
5. Technique for tubercles. Insert the needle into a point and leave a small ball 0.05 ml or less. No more than 0.1–0.2 ml per point, then carefully knead with your finger so there are no lumps.
6. Symmetry. After each injection, look in the mirror, compare sides, and immediately correct if it’s crooked.
7. Massage. After all injections, carefully knead the lips with one finger so the filler distributes. Don’t press hard or you’ll smear it where it shouldn’t go.
8. After the procedure. Cold compress for swelling. Don’t touch your lips with dirty hands. No workouts for 24 hours, no saunas (dance, panther) and no banyas (get swole, bro); if there’s sharp pain, numbness, or vision blurs, it’s occlusion, hyaluronidase into the area plus ambulance.
9. Separate the zones. Don’t inject everything at once. First the upper lip; after 2 weeks, when the swelling goes down, the lower lip; if you did contour, don’t touch the tubercles the same day.
Brooo, where do I get all this, damn?!
Russia:
Fillers/needles — 2Filler.ru, Martinex, MedCosmPro, InterCosmetology, Lidamed, aptcosm.ru, Vivacy, MedTehUral, AllianceSales
Ukraine:
Fillers/needles — Teosyal.com.ua, ImbaDerm, CollagenShop, FillerShop, Bigl.ua, Liki24.com, MagicLady
Hyaluronidase:
Online shops, or VK/Telegram communities, etc.
Interesting facts (not very):
1. Lips aren’t just necrosis; it’s also blindness, jackpot. Everyone knows about the lip arteries, but few realize that the labial artery anastomoses with the facial artery, and that one with the ophthalmic artery through the external carotid artery system. This means filler injected under pressure into the lip can retrogradely (backflow) rise up the vascular network and block the ophthalmic artery
2. Your filler can come alive a year later; delayed granulomas and inflammatory nodules are real. They appear months or even years after injection. The cause is residual BDDE in the filler, which gradually causes an immune response. The lower the degree of chemical modification MoD, the lower the risk of delayed reactions. Cheap AliExpress fillers often have high MoD; they last longer, granuloma risk is higher; high MoD = chemistry.
BRO, I DON’T WANT TO BE A LAB RAT, BRO, I DON’T WANT DIY:
Where to look?
Word of mouth: ask acquaintances who actually have lips that look natural and awesome.
Specialized forums/chats: look not for ads but for discussions. See who people return to, bro, and don’t run into assholes.
State registries. Google the clinic and doctor in the Roszdravnadzor registry.
How to check before booking?
Clinic license: on the website or in the consumer corner there should be a number; check it in the Roszdravnadzor registry, or whatever you have in your country.
Doctor’s education (we’re being picky): minimum diploma in General Medicine, residency in Dermatovenerology, and retraining in Cosmetology. Ask to show documents; grill them hard.
What to ask at the consultation?
“What experience do you have with lip fillers?”
“Show before/after photos” (specifically lips; look at symmetry, absence of lumps, and naturalness; ideally there should be a shitload of photos).
“Which product and why that one?” The doctor should explain why they choose exactly this brand and this G' density. Ask to show the packaging; check the expiration date and registration in the RF/Ukraine.
“What’s the plan and what happens if I don’t like it?” A good doctor will say: “We’ll start with 0.5 ml, see the swelling, bro.” A bad doctor: “Yeah bro, you’ll be a baddie in one session.”
“Do you have hyaluronidase in the clinic?”
Red flags, bro:
No consultation, or paid consultation.
Working without gloves, or in a dirty office.
Suspiciously cheap; a quality filler is never cheap.
“I guarantee perfection.” A good doctor talks about risks (swelling, bruises, asymmetry; be wary, but if they brag, it’s not necessarily “Dr. Frankenstein”).
Use of gray-market products: if there’s no certificate on the package, there’s no guarantee, bro.
(Warning: It's a little dangerous.)
@Emancipator
Bro, love you bro
Listen to Крокодиловый - Темный Шеви [Slowed] by Damoncler on #SoundCloud
Part 1 Softmax methods for lips @Emancipator
Right now, me and Odindvatres are gonna tell you what to do for tasty, juicy lips. My part is softmaxxing methods without any syringes etc., and the second part from OdindvatresOdindvatres will be specifically about more serious methods. Here we’re specifically talking about lip fullness, so if you need a guide on lip color, I’ve already written one in the coloring guide:
1. DERMAPEN
Just the foundation for our entire following guide, because it inflicts controlled microtrauma. The body switches into emergency regeneration mode (powerful release of growth factors and neocollagenesis).
It also multiplies the effects of any serums many times over.
Do it once every three days.
2. Volufiline
Stimulates the division and growth of adipocytes (fat cells) in the subcutaneous fat layer.
Creates long-term, dense volume. Lips enlarge due to their own fat layer. The effect is cumulative and appears after 3–8 weeks of daily use.
You need to apply it every day at night, and the effect will appear after 1–2 months. Again, before use it’s better to use the dermapen so the Volufiline absorbs better.
The downside is that the effect lasts several months after it appears, so essentially you have to always apply it. Also a very big downside is that the studies on its effectiveness were done by the company that created it.
3. Adipofill’in
Kind of like Volufiline. If Volufiline makes fat cells multiply, Adipofill’in mimics the effect of lipofilling: it activates fat synthesis inside already existing cells, making them increase in size.
Everything here is the same as with Volufiline and the dermapen, and you apply it the same way.
4. Topical hyaluronic acid
Pure hyaluronic acid works like a sponge that attracts and holds water up to 1000 times its weight.
The lip enlargement process goes in three directions:
Absorbed water turns into a dense gel that physically inflates the lip tissues from the inside.
Swelling in skin folds, it pushes their bottom outward. Lips become mirror-smooth.
You also need to do it with the dermapen, and apply 2 times a day, morning/evening. It lasts one day and takes effect almost immediately.
5. Peptide
Palmitoyl Tripeptide-1
The most well-known and researched peptide for lips. It stimulates collagen and glycosaminoglycan synthesis. Clinical tests by the creators of the component (Sederma) show that when used 3 times a day for a month, lip volume increases by an average of 40%, wrinkle depth decreases by 29%, and hydration increases by 60%.
Also with our beloved dermapen. The effect will come in about 3 weeks and lasts about 3 months.
6. Plumpers
Something you shouldn’t use with a dermapen, because it burns like hell.
These are like balms/serums etc. that you apply to your lips before going out, and because they’re menthol/pepper-based, they cause slight irritation. In response, the body urgently dilates capillaries and sends a powerful blood flow to the lips. Because of this, your lips really do get bigger for about 2–3 hours.
All plumpers are divided into two types by mechanism of action:
Heating (trigger blood flow)
Capsaicin (chili pepper extract): The strongest. Causes strong burning and fast, pronounced swelling.
Ginger or cinnamon extract: Act milder than pepper, pleasantly tingle and warm the skin.
Cooling (trigger microcirculation through cold)
Menthol or mint: Stimulate cold receptors. Vessels first sharply constrict, then dilate, causing lip swelling.
Anyway, the main thing: don’t use them with a dermapen or it’ll burn and hurt like hell.
7. Makeup
Well, this is simple: watch on YouTube how femboys do makeup, and if you’re a bit low-effort, use it too.
AND OF COURSE NUTRITION
Drink a lot of water and eat normal healthy food.
SEE THE REST IN THE SECOND PART OF THE GUIDE FROM MY BROTHER; HE HAS STRONGER METHODS THERE.
---
Part 2 Injection guide @Odindvatres
Where do you need to inject, bro?
1. Center of the upper lip, under the nose. This is a fucking dangerous point; the superior labial artery comes almost to the surface there. Don’t inject directly into the tubercle; go around it from the side along the vermilion border. Microboluses of 0.02–0.05 ml, no deeper than 2 mm. If there’s sharp pain or the skin turns white, you hit the artery, stop immediately.
2. Philtrum. This is the vertical groove between the nose and upper lip. There are a bunch of small arterial branches there, and filler easily flies upward into the nose. Don’t inject into the skin above the lip. Work strictly along the very top of the vermilion border, superficially, microboluses of 0.02 ml. Don’t go deeper than 1–2 mm.
3. Inner mucosa. This is the side of the lip inside the mouth. Arteries lie very close to the surface there; the risk of occlusion (when filler blocks a vessel and tissue starts dying) is high. Don’t inject. Work only along the outer contour and tubercles on the outside.
4. Corners of the mouth. This is a risk zone, damn. Branches of the facial artery and nerves pass there. If you want to widen the mouth a little, put 0.1 ml directly into the corner, no deeper than 2–3 mm. Numbness or shooting pain — stop immediately and call an ambulance.
5. Hyaluronidase. This is an enzyme that dissolves hyaluronic filler. It must be on hand before everything else. Without it, you don’t take the risk. If the injection site turns white, sharp pain, numbness, or vision blurs — this is vascular occlusion. Immediately do a warm compress, light massage, hyaluronidase into the area in a fan pattern 150–350 IU (if it doesn’t help, hospitalization).
6. Aspiration. Not mandatory; I’ve seen it in guides, but there’s not much guarantee; holding the needle still for 5–10 seconds is hard.
How to inject, bro?
1. Preparation. Wash your hands, put on gloves. Wipe lips with an alcohol wipe. Anesthetic cream in a thick layer, wait 20–30 minutes for it to work. Mark points with a white pencil. Mark artery zones and stay at least a couple centimeters away from them.
2. Kit. Soft hyaluronic filler (Juvederm Ultra, Restylane, Belotero), 27–29G needles, 25G cannula 38–50 mm (blunt tip, greatly reduces the risk of puncturing a vessel, highly recommend), hyaluronidase as an antidote, alcohol wipes, cotton balls, needle container. Change the needle every 0.5–1 ml; it dulls and the risks fucking grow.
3. Angle and depth. Needle at a 30–45 degree angle to the lip. Depth maximum 2–3 mm, no more. Target layer right under the mucosa. If it hits something hard, that’s a tooth, don’t push.
4. Technique for contour. Insert the needle into the vermilion border and slowly withdraw it back while simultaneously pushing out filler. 0.05–0.1 ml per needle length. Everything must be done carefully.
5. Technique for tubercles. Insert the needle into a point and leave a small ball 0.05 ml or less. No more than 0.1–0.2 ml per point, then carefully knead with your finger so there are no lumps.
6. Symmetry. After each injection, look in the mirror, compare sides, and immediately correct if it’s crooked.
7. Massage. After all injections, carefully knead the lips with one finger so the filler distributes. Don’t press hard or you’ll smear it where it shouldn’t go.
8. After the procedure. Cold compress for swelling. Don’t touch your lips with dirty hands. No workouts for 24 hours, no saunas (dance, panther) and no banyas (get swole, bro); if there’s sharp pain, numbness, or vision blurs, it’s occlusion, hyaluronidase into the area plus ambulance.
9. Separate the zones. Don’t inject everything at once. First the upper lip; after 2 weeks, when the swelling goes down, the lower lip; if you did contour, don’t touch the tubercles the same day.
Brooo, where do I get all this, damn?!
Russia:
Fillers/needles — 2Filler.ru, Martinex, MedCosmPro, InterCosmetology, Lidamed, aptcosm.ru, Vivacy, MedTehUral, AllianceSales
Ukraine:
Fillers/needles — Teosyal.com.ua, ImbaDerm, CollagenShop, FillerShop, Bigl.ua, Liki24.com, MagicLady
Hyaluronidase:
Online shops, or VK/Telegram communities, etc.
Interesting facts (not very):
1. Lips aren’t just necrosis; it’s also blindness, jackpot. Everyone knows about the lip arteries, but few realize that the labial artery anastomoses with the facial artery, and that one with the ophthalmic artery through the external carotid artery system. This means filler injected under pressure into the lip can retrogradely (backflow) rise up the vascular network and block the ophthalmic artery
2. Your filler can come alive a year later; delayed granulomas and inflammatory nodules are real. They appear months or even years after injection. The cause is residual BDDE in the filler, which gradually causes an immune response. The lower the degree of chemical modification MoD, the lower the risk of delayed reactions. Cheap AliExpress fillers often have high MoD; they last longer, granuloma risk is higher; high MoD = chemistry.
BRO, I DON’T WANT TO BE A LAB RAT, BRO, I DON’T WANT DIY:
Where to look?
Word of mouth: ask acquaintances who actually have lips that look natural and awesome.
Specialized forums/chats: look not for ads but for discussions. See who people return to, bro, and don’t run into assholes.
State registries. Google the clinic and doctor in the Roszdravnadzor registry.
How to check before booking?
Clinic license: on the website or in the consumer corner there should be a number; check it in the Roszdravnadzor registry, or whatever you have in your country.
Doctor’s education (we’re being picky): minimum diploma in General Medicine, residency in Dermatovenerology, and retraining in Cosmetology. Ask to show documents; grill them hard.
What to ask at the consultation?
“What experience do you have with lip fillers?”
“Show before/after photos” (specifically lips; look at symmetry, absence of lumps, and naturalness; ideally there should be a shitload of photos).
“Which product and why that one?” The doctor should explain why they choose exactly this brand and this G' density. Ask to show the packaging; check the expiration date and registration in the RF/Ukraine.
“What’s the plan and what happens if I don’t like it?” A good doctor will say: “We’ll start with 0.5 ml, see the swelling, bro.” A bad doctor: “Yeah bro, you’ll be a baddie in one session.”
“Do you have hyaluronidase in the clinic?”
Red flags, bro:
No consultation, or paid consultation.
Working without gloves, or in a dirty office.
Suspiciously cheap; a quality filler is never cheap.
“I guarantee perfection.” A good doctor talks about risks (swelling, bruises, asymmetry; be wary, but if they brag, it’s not necessarily “Dr. Frankenstein”).
Use of gray-market products: if there’s no certificate on the package, there’s no guarantee, bro.
(Warning: It's a little dangerous.
)@Emancipator
Bro, love you bro
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