Lips: male vs female

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There are many misconceptions about the dimorphism of the perioral or lip area.

1) Size

Contrary to what most people think, males have larger, fuller lips than women.

Masculine vs feminine lip size:

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2) Width

This one is well known. Males have wider palates than women, and thus wider lips.

Masculine vs feminine:

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3) Protrusion

Another aspect that is misunderstood. Males have more protrusive lips due to longer palates, and women less protrusive due to shorter palates. When people see a guy with protrusive lips and think he looks gay, it is almost always because his mandible is not proportionally long, and thus his chin looks weak. See Meeks as an example:




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Masculine vs feminine:

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#4: Cupid’s bow

Males have broader Philtrums at the Cupid’s bow points, and thus have more defined Cupid’s bows. This is due to wider central incisors.

Masculine broad vs feminine narrow philtrum:

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#5: Color

The biggest reason some people see full lips as feminine is due to lip color, not size. Males have darker skin than females, and thus the redness of the lips appears less noticeable, and the lips are darker. The opposite is true for females.

Masculine vs feminine lip color:

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One of O’ Pry’s biggest failos is his light skin and thus more noticeably red lips:


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#6: Position

Another reason people see large lips as feminine is the dimorphism of lip position. Male lips may appear smaller in proportion to the lower third due to the fact that males have longer chins and alveolar process of maxilla (philtrum). This makes the entire lower third longer relative to the rest of the face, and thus the lips, at any given size, look smaller on the male than female face.


Brock Lesnar’s lips are just as large as Margot Robbie’s, but the rest of his lower third is much longer, making his lips look smaller in proportion:

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In summary, male lips are larger, fuller, wider, more protrusive, darker/less noticeably red, wider at the Cupid’s bow, and smaller in comparison to the lower third.

Sources:

Lip size: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4304055/#sec1-5title


Lip width:



Lip protrusion:



Philtrum width:

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good thread, it reminds me of a thread that i already saw so it seems copypasta but i may be wrong, unfortunately i am in the worst possible scenario, introverted small narrow lips, what is your opinion about why my palate is wide and my lip small?
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good thread, it reminds me of a thread that i already saw so it seems copypasta but i may be wrong, unfortunately i am in the worst possible scenario, introverted small narrow lips, what is your opinion about why my palate is wide and my lip small?
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Your lips don’t look narrow but your upper lip is disproportionately large relative to the lower lip.
 
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Would you say downturned lips are masculine trait?
 
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Good thread I touched on this briefly on my BoTB thread "thin lips being a masculine trait" is pure autism
 
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"Men who have a traditionally masculine appearance are more likely to cheat on their partners or ‘poach’ another man’s partner, scientists have discovered.

A strong jaw, protruding forehead and thin lips are all features that those who cheat are most likely to have, according to the study published in the Royal Society Open Science journal."
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As far as white men at least thin upper lips have always been a clue to females that their man is masculine and likely cheating on them. Thick upper lips on white males gave off a beta male sign as far as faithfulness to females.
 

"Men who have a traditionally masculine appearance are more likely to cheat on their partners or ‘poach’ another man’s partner, scientists have discovered.

A strong jaw, protruding forehead and thin lips are all features that those who cheat are most likely to have, according to the study published in the Royal Society Open Science journal."
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As far as white men at least thin upper lips have always been a clue to females that their man is masculine and likely cheating on them. Thick upper lips on white males gave off a beta male sign as far as faithfulness to females.
I went to the study that that article cites, and nowwhere does it talk about a thin upper lip being a characteristic women found masculine or associated with sexually active behavior. All the study found was that males that had faces that were high in dimorphism were rated less trustworthy and more likely to cheat.

The writer of this article just tossed in traits they believed to be dimorphic and incorrectly said that that was what the study found.

It’s similar to studies that use charts that show thin lips are a high prenatal testosterone trait, but also specify that the chart is not used for absolute measurements, only proportion. In other words, lips are smaller only in proportion to the rest of the lower third, not in absolute size (like I mentioned above).

However, articles will use these charts and say “thin lips are masculine” in their headline without actually going through the study.
 
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Vinnie hacker has top tier lips

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Is it me or Brok Lesnar looks like a paler and wider version of Tom Hardy?
 
how does one achieve top tier lips through surgery.
 
good thread, it reminds me of a thread that i already saw so it seems copypasta but i may be wrong, unfortunately i am in the worst possible scenario, introverted small narrow lips, what is your opinion about why my palate is wide and my lip small?
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im sorry but the fact that two people ugh reacted this made me laugh hysterically hard for 2 mins straight
 
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@MisterMercedes So how does one improve lips? How can I make my lips smaller aswell as upturn and improve cuspids bow then?
 
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