I'm around 90 percent sure you're trolling me. There is in no way you genuinely believe doom scrolling low effort tiktoks catered to the lowest common denominator with usually absolutely useless "fun facts" is better in terms of learning than 1984 for example.
I cant really articulate my thoughts in a short form thread this was mostly me having a soliloquy and writing it out.
Plus im sure you would be able to read this in at most 10 minutes or so its not very long.
What are you're thoughts on 1984? do you believe genuenly that you cannot gain any knowledge or insight after reading that book?
I wrote this about how the book publishing industry is catering more towards women and not publishing books for men. and why that is detrimental to our youth's education.
naw brah im talking about the schizo video attached to your posts
Dnr ngl : (
Oh dont worry about that that would take too long
I'm in no way saying that women don't deserve representation in media. My point is that the divide in representation is skewed. Im a big fan of female authors however like I said in my post the divide in reading between genders is getting skewed and I think we can both agree that is a bad thing.
tell em unc
So you think we should also have more representation of women in video games?
Moreover, the whole reason why women want representation in video games books, etc is because, for the better half of history, they didn't get that. So you're point is that women deserve to be seen in literature and games the exact reason I believe men deserve more representation in those as well. I think we should cater to both sides.
Yes absolutely.
Obviously good representation, not dogshit that studios have been pushing to cater towards a specific audience for brownie points.
Dnr I need to do no fapWithin a few years, men's reading habits have dropped tremendously. This is in part due to the publishers, yes but it's also the fault of men for allowing it to happen. Men's habits of reading fiction have gone from 35.1 percent in 2012 to just 27.7 percent in 2022 and obviously, you can infer that it must have gone down even more since then. Now if you're wondering why that is it's pretty simple. We only make books for women. Take the New York Times best-seller list. Almost all of them are written for women. They are love stories consisting of a woman protagonist "romancing" a man now women will say "Ooh what the matter with that women read too you incel!" well yes but at this rate men get disillusioned with reading due to the simple fact of there's nothing for them.
So why is it that publishers don't put out books for men? Well, the simple answer is you guessed it DEI. As much as I hate that word it is literally the cause of all of these problems. Publishers are looking for the next "feminist POC author speaking the truth" as opposed to a genuinely talented author regardless of race or gender. If you are a non-ethnic man and want to publish a book it's nearly impossible. This is in part due to politics but also the general public I'm sure we all know a person who's infantilized in the idea of a "woman intellectual" like its some merit to be a woman and to be smart. When in reality by pointing out that there is a woman who achieved something impressive you are inadvertently saying that it's uncommon for women to be smart or talented writers. Now I'm sure many of you are snorting derivatively at that last comment saying "Oh well foids are pretty stupid I mean look at all the smart guys compared to women!" now I shouldn't have to explain the fact that thinking half of the population is dumber than the other half is retarded but I will do so for an argumentative sake. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8858829/ This study outlines that men tend to overestimate intelligence as opposed to women. I think it's obvious on why so I won't go into detail but just know just because you read a Kafka book and get good grades on you're pre calc homework does not mean you in necessarily smarter than the average. Women and men have been noted to have equally comparable IQ traits however in one study they suggested that women have a higher average while men have a higher drastic measure meaning men have the smartertest and dumbest people as opposed to women. Take that as you will.
Now then leaning back to the main topic. I believe another contributing factor in the divide between men's literacy rates and women's in the general culture around literature nowadays. If you search "books" on TikTok you will one hundred percent see some fat whore with thick oval glasses rating a "spice book" Books have become synonymous with smut if you ask a girl about the latest book she read she will most likely tell you about the latest "spicy" novel that she got from booktok. I myself have experienced this first-hand im sure many of you have read my thread but to summarize it I took my cousin to the library and instead of getting an actually insightful good book she bought some fucking smut book about a king and a girl or some shit. There was an entire SECTION dedicated to these types of books. Do you understand how fucking crazy that is? A state library yes a state library a federal building funded by taxpayers is pushing porn directly in the store. And the best part? The woman didn't even ask her age and just gave it to her (she's 13)... dude gas station owners selling playboys have more morals than these whores holy fucking shit.
Moreover, the best-selling book in 2024 was "The Women" by Kristin Hannah do you want to guess where a male writer stood on this list? It was the 21st....do you understand that? Out of all the books, a male author only ranked 21st on the best sellers. And guess what? It's a remake of Huckleberry Finn. And guess what? IT WAS A FUCKING REMAKE TELLING IT THOUGH THE LENS OF THE SLAVE JIM!!! Yes! So if you want to read a male author book you need to listen through the slog of racial politics and 5th-grade satire and political commentary fun! So as you can see there are no books made for the average male they all either involve some plot about feminist ideals, female romance, gender politics, or racial commentary. And women blame men saying "Op the moids are just getting dumber! the girlies are standing up and getting smarter because the patriarchy is toppling 4B amiright?" No this is a direct result of you're campaign to shift literature from predominantly male dominated to female-dominated. I can not think of a single fiction book I have read in the past years that was contemporary. Long are the days of insightful books such as "Metamorphosis" or "war and Peace" No we have entered the dawn of porn and surface-level gender politics.
Many of you may be thinking "Oh well fr0st what about nonfiction? I've seen a lot of guys talking about that!" well that's another can of worms. As much as you may disagree fiction is necessary for the young reader. Not only can you gain immense knowledge from fiction it also sets up good habits amongst readers and gets them engaged with reading. However, if most of the fiction is targeted at women and the only fiction you can find is in the form of older novels that will dissuade men from trying it. Moreover, nonfiction has taken a drastic decline in quality over the years. The most popular nonfiction books as of now are "the anxious generation" (written about phone-based life) and "the house of my mother" which hilariously is about a fucking Youtuber kid who lived through a family channel (yes that's real look the book up) and the JFK conspiracy. Written by the authors who made the "nazi conspiracy" and best of all! "Brooke Shields is Not Allowed to Get Old" which is about women aging. Now I shouldn't have to tell you that all of these are absolutely atrocious. Compare this to "how age works" by David Crystal. or "introductory lectures on psychoanalysis" by Sigmund Freud. I mean it's ridiculous how far we have fallen from actual intellectuals writing things to the average author being a midwit housewife who started writing for fun and wrote a book about a king raping a slave or whatever "dark romance" women enjoy.
The decline in men's writing is also an integral factor we need to take into effect. Now before you dogpile on me look at it objectively. Nowadays everyone is writing a book. Whether is some Instagram health influencer or a politician it feels like every famous person is writing a book about their life. Whether it's Melania Trump or Vivek Ramaswamy everyone is keen on having a bestseller. Now the issue with this is that it clouds the book world with idiots. Many of you may wonder "Why is it that back in the day books were so much better?" well it's simple back then if you wanted to write a book you needed to be smart accomplished and have connections. Nowadays if you have 100k followers on Instagram you can get a best seller. Actual intellectuals can not get their books pushed out because of the saturation in the market. As well as of course the decline in attention span but I'll leave that to someone else. My point is people are putting too much emphasis on the author as opposed to the book. People will buy the latest robert greene book not because of the contents its because of "ooh robert greene I love him!" when in reality his books are made for midwits comprised of average middle school level psychology targeted at frat bros to "pick up bitches" it's written in a way that attracts pseudo-intellectuals. Now you may contribute this to the decline in critical thinking but honestly, I blame it on the publishing industry because like I said before the only books being released and marketed are for women so when a man finds a book targeted at him regardless of quality he will latch onto it claiming it to be gospel when in reality its utter dogshit.
My final point is the education systems push to stray themselves from reading. College students report that they can not read a book a week which is something that would have been deemed utterly foolish 30 years ago. The reason? Schools have stopped requiring intense reading exercises. and yes yes we all understand phonics etc. etc. but when was the last time "for the students on the forum" that you were required to read a whole book? You can say correct? They only ask you to read a portion of it and let's be honest you don't even do that you ask Chatgpt for a synopsis and write that. Now it's not just the fault of the students but the teachers as well because they simply have dumbed down the curriculum. They no longer create answers and questions that enforce you to actually read the book instead they structure them in a way that is deemed "more inclusive to the broader intelligence" In other words they make the questions easier because they want to be inclusive to retards. Now I'm not suggesting we should force kids to read no in fact that would do even more harm as it would build a negative connection to reading and they would see it as a chore or homework. Instead, this circles back to my main point women have the option to read for fun and men don't. Women can read academically in school and then go home and read the latest New York Times bestseller yet men don't have that luxury their only form of entertainment is to go home and play Fortnite while jerking off to femboy bdsm catboy roleplay while scrolling on TikTok. Women have marketing advertising and encouragement to read in the form of posters libraries parents etc. However, men do not have any of that almost every book ad is targeted towards women in one way or another. Of course, reading in general is on the decline im sure most of you know that Gen Alpha can't even read in the 5th grade however it's much more noticeable recreationally in men as opposed to women.
In conclusion, literature, in general, has taken a swing from emphasizing accomplished intellectual authors who write genuinely insightful meaningful pieces of media to slop written by housewives while they drink their chardonnay and schlick themselves to their bdsm rape romance books. This is also in part due to the publishing industry and school curriculum but is more pushed by the broader culture that revolves around reading and intellectualism. Women have the options of both reading for fun and reading for education however men do not have such luxuries and instead associate reading as a chore or homework. In order to change this we need more male authors making books for men about predominantly male things such as fighting dragons saving princesses going on adventures with a group of friends etc. We must also start to push reading programs for younger men and persuade them to take more literary entertainment as opposed to short-form content. But what do I know I'm just a retard who browses incel websites.
Sources.
The Men-Women Split in Reading is Real—and Persists Amid Historical Rate Declines
What does the data tell us about reading rates by gender?www.arts.gov
Are men’s reading habits truly a national crisis?
The questionable statistic at the heart of the “men don’t read fiction” discourse.www.vox.com
Gender Differences in Self-Estimated Intelligence: Exploring the Male Hubris, Female Humility Problem - PMC
Despite evidence from cognitive psychology that men and women are equal in measured intelligence, gender differences in self-estimated intelligence (SEI) are widely reported with males providing systematically higher estimates than females. This has ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Why don’t straight men read novels?
Men often read non-fiction books in the name of self-improvement – but many are reluctant to pick up works of fictionwww.dazeddigital.com
If you’re willing to take that step, then at least this post isn’t massively hypocritical. I will say, though, that many people who make this argument are doing so hypocritically.
I had a whole section in the thread explaining how this wasnt a dig at women in books. the thread is about how skewed the marketing towards books are. like i said among the best seller list of 2024 there was only a single book that wasnt aimed towards women and it was ranked 21st (but even that was catered to POC and not the general male population)
jfl couldnt debate so he had to use my looks. Knew you were a retarded normie
Thank you bhai this is my first high effort thread im trying to branch off my shitposting
Based.Thank you bhai this is my first high effort thread im trying to branch off my shitposting
no way they wrote a book where fucking jim is the protagonist you got to be fucking kidding meWithin a few years, men's reading habits have dropped tremendously. This is in part due to the publishers, yes but it's also the fault of men for allowing it to happen. Men's habits of reading fiction have gone from 35.1 percent in 2012 to just 27.7 percent in 2022 and obviously, you can infer that it must have gone down even more since then. Now if you're wondering why that is it's pretty simple. We only make books for women. Take the New York Times best-seller list. Almost all of them are written for women. They are love stories consisting of a woman protagonist "romancing" a man now women will say "Ooh what the matter with that women read too you incel!" well yes but at this rate men get disillusioned with reading due to the simple fact of there's nothing for them.
So why is it that publishers don't put out books for men? Well, the simple answer is you guessed it DEI. As much as I hate that word it is literally the cause of all of these problems. Publishers are looking for the next "feminist POC author speaking the truth" as opposed to a genuinely talented author regardless of race or gender. If you are a non-ethnic man and want to publish a book it's nearly impossible. This is in part due to politics but also the general public I'm sure we all know a person who's infantilized in the idea of a "woman intellectual" like its some merit to be a woman and to be smart. When in reality by pointing out that there is a woman who achieved something impressive you are inadvertently saying that it's uncommon for women to be smart or talented writers. Now I'm sure many of you are snorting derivatively at that last comment saying "Oh well foids are pretty stupid I mean look at all the smart guys compared to women!" now I shouldn't have to explain the fact that thinking half of the population is dumber than the other half is retarded but I will do so for an argumentative sake. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8858829/ This study outlines that men tend to overestimate intelligence as opposed to women. I think it's obvious on why so I won't go into detail but just know just because you read a Kafka book and get good grades on you're pre calc homework does not mean you in necessarily smarter than the average. Women and men have been noted to have equally comparable IQ traits however in one study they suggested that women have a higher average while men have a higher drastic measure meaning men have the smartertest and dumbest people as opposed to women. Take that as you will.
Now then leaning back to the main topic. I believe another contributing factor in the divide between men's literacy rates and women's in the general culture around literature nowadays. If you search "books" on TikTok you will one hundred percent see some fat whore with thick oval glasses rating a "spice book" Books have become synonymous with smut if you ask a girl about the latest book she read she will most likely tell you about the latest "spicy" novel that she got from booktok. I myself have experienced this first-hand im sure many of you have read my thread but to summarize it I took my cousin to the library and instead of getting an actually insightful good book she bought some fucking smut book about a king and a girl or some shit. There was an entire SECTION dedicated to these types of books. Do you understand how fucking crazy that is? A state library yes a state library a federal building funded by taxpayers is pushing porn directly in the store. And the best part? The woman didn't even ask her age and just gave it to her (she's 13)... dude gas station owners selling playboys have more morals than these whores holy fucking shit.
Moreover, the best-selling book in 2024 was "The Women" by Kristin Hannah do you want to guess where a male writer stood on this list? It was the 21st....do you understand that? Out of all the books, a male author only ranked 21st on the best sellers. And guess what? It's a remake of Huckleberry Finn. And guess what? IT WAS A FUCKING REMAKE TELLING IT THOUGH THE LENS OF THE SLAVE JIM!!! Yes! So if you want to read a male author book you need to listen through the slog of racial politics and 5th-grade satire and political commentary fun! So as you can see there are no books made for the average male they all either involve some plot about feminist ideals, female romance, gender politics, or racial commentary. And women blame men saying "Op the moids are just getting dumber! the girlies are standing up and getting smarter because the patriarchy is toppling 4B amiright?" No this is a direct result of you're campaign to shift literature from predominantly male dominated to female-dominated. I can not think of a single fiction book I have read in the past years that was contemporary. Long are the days of insightful books such as "Metamorphosis" or "war and Peace" No we have entered the dawn of porn and surface-level gender politics.
Many of you may be thinking "Oh well fr0st what about nonfiction? I've seen a lot of guys talking about that!" well that's another can of worms. As much as you may disagree fiction is necessary for the young reader. Not only can you gain immense knowledge from fiction it also sets up good habits amongst readers and gets them engaged with reading. However, if most of the fiction is targeted at women and the only fiction you can find is in the form of older novels that will dissuade men from trying it. Moreover, nonfiction has taken a drastic decline in quality over the years. The most popular nonfiction books as of now are "the anxious generation" (written about phone-based life) and "the house of my mother" which hilariously is about a fucking Youtuber kid who lived through a family channel (yes that's real look the book up) and the JFK conspiracy. Written by the authors who made the "nazi conspiracy" and best of all! "Brooke Shields is Not Allowed to Get Old" which is about women aging. Now I shouldn't have to tell you that all of these are absolutely atrocious. Compare this to "how age works" by David Crystal. or "introductory lectures on psychoanalysis" by Sigmund Freud. I mean it's ridiculous how far we have fallen from actual intellectuals writing things to the average author being a midwit housewife who started writing for fun and wrote a book about a king raping a slave or whatever "dark romance" women enjoy.
The decline in men's writing is also an integral factor we need to take into effect. Now before you dogpile on me look at it objectively. Nowadays everyone is writing a book. Whether is some Instagram health influencer or a politician it feels like every famous person is writing a book about their life. Whether it's Melania Trump or Vivek Ramaswamy everyone is keen on having a bestseller. Now the issue with this is that it clouds the book world with idiots. Many of you may wonder "Why is it that back in the day books were so much better?" well it's simple back then if you wanted to write a book you needed to be smart accomplished and have connections. Nowadays if you have 100k followers on Instagram you can get a best seller. Actual intellectuals can not get their books pushed out because of the saturation in the market. As well as of course the decline in attention span but I'll leave that to someone else. My point is people are putting too much emphasis on the author as opposed to the book. People will buy the latest robert greene book not because of the contents its because of "ooh robert greene I love him!" when in reality his books are made for midwits comprised of average middle school level psychology targeted at frat bros to "pick up bitches" it's written in a way that attracts pseudo-intellectuals. Now you may contribute this to the decline in critical thinking but honestly, I blame it on the publishing industry because like I said before the only books being released and marketed are for women so when a man finds a book targeted at him regardless of quality he will latch onto it claiming it to be gospel when in reality its utter dogshit.
My final point is the education systems push to stray themselves from reading. College students report that they can not read a book a week which is something that would have been deemed utterly foolish 30 years ago. The reason? Schools have stopped requiring intense reading exercises. and yes yes we all understand phonics etc. etc. but when was the last time "for the students on the forum" that you were required to read a whole book? You can say correct? They only ask you to read a portion of it and let's be honest you don't even do that you ask Chatgpt for a synopsis and write that. Now it's not just the fault of the students but the teachers as well because they simply have dumbed down the curriculum. They no longer create answers and questions that enforce you to actually read the book instead they structure them in a way that is deemed "more inclusive to the broader intelligence" In other words they make the questions easier because they want to be inclusive to retards. Now I'm not suggesting we should force kids to read no in fact that would do even more harm as it would build a negative connection to reading and they would see it as a chore or homework. Instead, this circles back to my main point women have the option to read for fun and men don't. Women can read academically in school and then go home and read the latest New York Times bestseller yet men don't have that luxury their only form of entertainment is to go home and play Fortnite while jerking off to femboy bdsm catboy roleplay while scrolling on TikTok. Women have marketing advertising and encouragement to read in the form of posters libraries parents etc. However, men do not have any of that almost every book ad is targeted towards women in one way or another. Of course, reading in general is on the decline im sure most of you know that Gen Alpha can't even read in the 5th grade however it's much more noticeable recreationally in men as opposed to women.
In conclusion, literature, in general, has taken a swing from emphasizing accomplished intellectual authors who write genuinely insightful meaningful pieces of media to slop written by housewives while they drink their chardonnay and schlick themselves to their bdsm rape romance books. This is also in part due to the publishing industry and school curriculum but is more pushed by the broader culture that revolves around reading and intellectualism. Women have the options of both reading for fun and reading for education however men do not have such luxuries and instead associate reading as a chore or homework. In order to change this we need more male authors making books for men about predominantly male things such as fighting dragons saving princesses going on adventures with a group of friends etc. We must also start to push reading programs for younger men and persuade them to take more literary entertainment as opposed to short-form content. But what do I know I'm just a retard who browses incel websites.
Sources.
The Men-Women Split in Reading is Real—and Persists Amid Historical Rate Declines
What does the data tell us about reading rates by gender?
Are men’s reading habits truly a national crisis?
The questionable statistic at the heart of the “men don’t read fiction” discourse.
Gender Differences in Self-Estimated Intelligence: Exploring the Male Hubris, Female Humility Problem - PMC
Despite evidence from cognitive psychology that men and women are equal in measured intelligence, gender differences in self-estimated intelligence (SEI) are widely reported with males providing systematically higher estimates than females. This has ...
Why don’t straight men read novels?
Men often read non-fiction books in the name of self-improvement – but many are reluctant to pick up works of fiction
Its really fucking funny
the most meaningless book of the last 5 years.
who even gives a shit about jims black assIts really fucking funny
Oh shit I didn’t see the article below
Reading fiction: the benefits are numerous - PMC
Before you argue with me read these articles since you say that articles are so benificial then get back to me.
I think it's actually kinda disrespectful to mark Twain. The idea is just so utterly useless lol There's no point to it I get that its a parody book but it just seems redundant. idk ill go see if it's in the library and read it to see for myself.
thats exactly what i was thinking of lol , his writing has nothing to do with todays bs , fucking retards
I think it’s a waste of time
its just another classic lol nun2 special nun2 extravagant
yea aldous huxley is ass
I understand you're point however the idea of tiktok being better than books is just silly to me. You can not deny the adverse effects of short form stimulation its proven that its harmful to you're overall brain health. now this as opposed to fiction which actually improves cognition and brain stimulation the difference is clear. Moreover tiktok is often filled with misinformation and evidence that is skwed. im not saying everything is however you must admit a large majority is. also NIH did a study revolving the direct link to social abilities with fiction ill leave it here for you to skim through (warning it gets really faggy at times) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10715231/
The book is a warning against the limitation of free speech. Its also a good idea to read it so you can better grasp propaganda, totalitarianism, and the effects it can have on people.
Really? i like after many a summer.
Lmao try reading after many a summer you can infer his other works from that.i havent read anything from him but my grandpa said hes trash
Why would you even take someone who has a black rapper as their avi serious?
Idk to be honest im just bored practicing russian cursive so im arguing with org schizos.
I skimmed through your article by the way. You are correct on all points I saw. I am quite an avid reader, though even I did not feel the need to go over every singular word and dissect it's meaning. It's just not realistic to expect brain rotted teenagers of an incel forum to read a critique on themselves. Props to you for trying, though.
I didnt really expect people to read it all i kinda wrote it in a way thats easy to skim through. Thanks for skimming it though i appreciate it.
I see what ur saying about philosophy but philosophy is gay. More importantly, philosophy in the form of a fiction book will almost certantly be garbage. Not only do I have to sift through mountains of words words words to find the philosophical parts, but the author is almost certantly a pretentious gay faggot with nothing of value to say. If they weren’t, they probably wouldn’t write a fiction book.
I already know that limiting free speech is dangerous.
I think it's best to leave this at agree to disagree. I think we both just have different preferences for media and that's okay. Id have to read more studies papers and books in order to get a better opinion on the subject. i don't think you're wrong or stupid i think it's just a difference in opinion were both are probably right some people would benefit from reading while some might not.
I wouldn't say that. Its often regarded as an excellent example of all of the above. That's why its deemed as a "classic amongst literature" again I think its a difference in opinion.
Yes, we certainly have different opinions on this topic. I believe the classics are terrible. For example The Great Gatsby is just about some gay ass simp being a gay simp. Boring and lame
Yeah but you have to agree that in order for them to be classics the large majority must find them good. the same way the large majority thinks that they learned something from them.
