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Social Trinitarianism and the Catholic Faith | Called to Communion

In his chapter titled "Social Trinity and Tritheism," in the book Trinity, Incarnation, and Atonement, (University of Notre Dame Press, 1989), Cornelius Plantinga Jr., the current president of Calvin Theological Seminary, argues in support of what is known as 'social trinitarianism.' This...
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this explains

this is the CREED OF NICEA



catholics and traditional protestants have historically followed nicea..orthodox and calvinist social trinitarians have followed polytheism/tritheism.
 
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I don't think we should understand the Trinity in this way, as though the Son is an object somehow 'external to' the Father, such that the Father understand Himself by way of the Son. Aquinas's account of Trinitarian relations is not primarily a way of accounting for how the various persons in the Trinity 'understand' or 'love' themselves, but rather about how the divine essence, which is a mind, understands and loves itself. That is to say, Aquinas emphasizes most of all the unity of God, but shows that this is a unity which is self-relating through Trinitarian relations. This as opposed to a kind of social trinitarianism, or even tritheism, which takes as primary the relative independence of the three persons and relates them one to the other.

For Aquinas, it is fundamentally the divine mind, not the person of the Father in particular, which must understand and love itself. The Father represents the first principle or arche of the Trinity, which corresponds to something like the immediate presence of thought or mind (Augustine uses the term 'memory' for this kind of immediate self-presence). But the divine mind must relate to itself: first, it knows itself, which means that it takes itself as the object of contemplation. But because this act of self-contemplation is perfect, it captures the divine essence in its entirety and must involve a perfect reproduction of the person of the Father, generating another personality. And the same goes with the self-love of the divine essence, which generates the person of the Holy Spirit.

Note that it is the divine essence (not the Father) which is self-relating through the persons of the Trinity. It is not that each person of the Trinity is self-relating, otherwise we would run into two problems: first, the infinite regress you describe, as each person would relate to Himself in a Trinitarian fashion, and each person of this new trinity would relate to Himself in a trinitarian fashion, and so on ad infinitum; second, this would beg the question, because it would presuppose the Trinitarian relations of the persons of God, rather than unfold them from the activity of the simple unity of the divine essence.

Anyway, Aquinas is following an Augustinian tradition of understanding the Trinity on the model of human psychology. The human mind is essentially characterized by three faculties: memory, knowledge, and desire. So the divine mind, Aquinas says, should be conceived on the analogy of a human mind, and will also be characterized by these three faculties. The Trinity is an exposition of how these three faculties would operate in the divine mind, given that this mind is infinite, perfect, self-relating, and confronts nothing 'outside' itself. Aquinas does think that the Trinity is ultimately a matter of revelation known by faith, but that we have powerful speculative grounds to justify belief in it, on the basis of the principle that man is the image of God, and so the mind of man will resemble the divine mind.
 
THE NICENE HISTORIC CHRISTIAN GOD IS NUMERICALLY ONE INTELLECT NOT ABSTRACTLY/GENERICALLY ONE GOD.

ONE NONCOMPOSITE ABSOLUTELY ONE MIND IN THREE PERSONS/SELF RELATIONS.
 
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I don't think we should understand the Trinity in this way, as though the Son is an object somehow 'external to' the Father, such that the Father understand Himself by way of the Son. Aquinas's account of Trinitarian relations is not primarily a way of accounting for how the various persons in the Trinity 'understand' or 'love' themselves, but rather about how the divine essence, which is a mind, understands and loves itself. That is to say, Aquinas emphasizes most of all the unity of God, but shows that this is a unity which is self-relating through Trinitarian relations. This as opposed to a kind of social trinitarianism, or even tritheism, which takes as primary the relative independence of the three persons and relates them one to the other.

For Aquinas, it is fundamentally the divine mind, not the person of the Father in particular, which must understand and love itself. The Father represents the first principle or arche of the Trinity, which corresponds to something like the immediate presence of thought or mind (Augustine uses the term 'memory' for this kind of immediate self-presence). But the divine mind must relate to itself: first, it knows itself, which means that it takes itself as the object of contemplation. But because this act of self-contemplation is perfect, it captures the divine essence in its entirety and must involve a perfect reproduction of the person of the Father, generating another personality. And the same goes with the self-love of the divine essence, which generates the person of the Holy Spirit.

Note that it is the divine essence (not the Father) which is self-relating through the persons of the Trinity. It is not that each person of the Trinity is self-relating, otherwise we would run into two problems: first, the infinite regress you describe, as each person would relate to Himself in a Trinitarian fashion, and each person of this new trinity would relate to Himself in a trinitarian fashion, and so on ad infinitum; second, this would beg the question, because it would presuppose the Trinitarian relations of the persons of God, rather than unfold them from the activity of the simple unity of the divine essence.

Anyway, Aquinas is following an Augustinian tradition of understanding the Trinity on the model of human psychology. The human mind is essentially characterized by three faculties: memory, knowledge, and desire. So the divine mind, Aquinas says, should be conceived on the analogy of a human mind, and will also be characterized by these three faculties. The Trinity is an exposition of how these three faculties would operate in the divine mind, given that this mind is infinite, perfect, self-relating, and confronts nothing 'outside' itself. Aquinas does think that the Trinity is ultimately a matter of revelation known by faith, but that we have powerful speculative grounds to justify belief in it, on the basis of the principle that man is the image of God, and so the mind of man will resemble the divine mind.
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The earth is far, far older than 6000 years.


Pathetic wall of text and subhuman religion debunked
 
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holy shit faggot dn rd its war forever

 
Anyanglover said:

Social Trinitarianism and the Catholic Faith | Called to Communion

In his chapter titled "Social Trinity and Tritheism," in the book Trinity, Incarnation, and Atonement, (University of Notre Dame Press, 1989), Cornelius Plantinga Jr., the current president of Calvin Theological Seminary, argues in support of what is known as 'social trinitarianism.' This...
www.calledtocommunion.com

this explains

this is the CREED OF NICEA



catholics and traditional protestants have historically followed nicea..orthodox and calvinist social trinitarians have followed polytheism/tritheism.
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I believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten,
Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God,
Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven,
And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead,
Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life,
Who proceedeth from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,
Who spake by the Prophets;

And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead.
And the Life of the world to come.

Amen.​

JFL @You giga cucked papists even using our icons and chants.
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the sounds of HEAVEN.you can't tell me Christianity isnt the most BEAUTIFUL religion

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Anyanglover said:

the sounds of HEAVEN.you can't tell me Christianity isnt the most BEAUTIFUL religion​

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JFL @You're gigacucked pachamama 'pope' trying to push mass ecumenicism for gay NWO one world religion

JFL imagine unironically siding with protestants over the the ORIGINAL CATHOLIC Church.


Begome Ordodox and join the one true apostolic Church Christ Himself established cuck.







 
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holy shit faggot dn rd its war forever

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JFL @You unironically supporting daesh sand nigger dogs and claiming to be from Khurasan like the dajjal, when the "Mahdi" comes you'll be the first to get his head chopped off cuck.


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JFL @You unironically supporting daesh sand nigger dogs and claiming to be from Khurasan like the dajjal, when the 'Mahdi' comes you'll be the first to get his head chopped off cuck.


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Anyanglover said:

SPIRIT REPORTS

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SISTER RYE OF IVORY COAST 1

JESUS SHOWED ME THE PRINCIPALITY OF ISLAM IN MECCA In 1990, the Lord revealed Himself to me and told me, “I'm taking you to a place to...
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when you face eternal damnation don't cry as if Jesus hasn't given you a chance to know the truth about the demon allah you follow
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Ladder ladder cult


fuck all ur religons nigga
 
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I believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten,
Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God,
Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven,
And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead,
Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life,
Who proceedeth from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,
Who spake by the Prophets;

And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead.
And the Life of the world to come.

Amen.​

JFL @You giga cucked papists even using our icons.

begome Ordodox cuck.
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orthodox and catholics are both hellbound idolaters,though catholics have a monotheistic conception of God shared with reformers.I am nondenominational protestant.
 
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chaddyboi66 said:
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten,
Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God,
Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven,
And was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;

And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead,
Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life,
Who proceedeth from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified,
Who spake by the Prophets;

And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.
I look for the Resurrection of the dead.
And the Life of the world to come.

Amen.​

JFL @You giga cucked papists even using our icons.

begome Ordodox cuck.
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orthodox and catholics are both hellbound idolaters,though catholics have a monotheistic conception of God shared with reformers.I am nondenominational protestant.
 
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Anyanglover said:
orthodox and catholics are both hellbound idolaters,though catholics have a monotheistic conception of God shared with reformers.I am nondenominational protestant.
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JFL that's even worse than being "Catholic" :lul:
JFL You have literal gay and woman "pastors"




Have fun with you're thousands of demonstrations of heresy and sin cuck












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Refuting Evolution chapter 8: How old is the earth? · Creation.com

Creation or evolution? It makes a big difference! Over 10,000 trustworthy articles. Evidence for biblical creation.
creation.com

says the guy that believes in abiogenesis and rejects fine tuning of the universes laws and existance
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I'm disgusted that we're the same species. Most rocks are older than your supposed creation of the universe date.

Please look into brain transplantation, you freak
 
JFC this is looksmax take your BS somewhere else
 
chaddyboi66 said:
JFL that's even worse than being "Catholic" :lul:
JFL You have literal gay and woman "pastors"




Have fun with you're thousands of demonstrations of heresy and sin cuck












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lol I am ex-orthodox!I know every bs in those videos.james white and calvinist apologists does an excellent job of refuting it.ALL prenicene christian writers were against veneration of icons.even origen.
jay dyer is a freemason occultist and has the worst arguments and lies ever.
I said im NONdemonational charismatic,meaningi am not pentecostal or word of faith with female pastors...i am simply a conservative christian that believes gifts of the spirit remain.I follow the BIBLE.and female pastors dont bring you to hell,venerating icons and necromancy DOES.
 
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ALL ORTHODOX AND CATHOLICS GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE

SPIRIT REPORTS

spiritreports.blogspot.com spiritreports.blogspot.com
 
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Anyanglover said:
lol I am ex-orthodox!I know every bs in those videos.james white and calvinist apologists does an excellent job of refuting it.ALL prenicene christian writers were against veneration of icons.even origen.
jay dyer is a freemason occultist and has the worst arguments and lies ever.
I said im NONdemonational charismatic,meaningi am not pentecostal or word of faith with female pastors...i am simply a conservative christian that believes gifts of the spirit remain.I follow the BIBLE.and female pastors dont bring you to hell :soy::soy::soy:,venerating icons and necromancy DOES.
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sure bro...

low chance of just a bad catechism aside, that sounds larpy as fuck tbh tbh.


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sure bro...

low chance of just a bad catechism aside, that sounds larpy as fuck tbh tbh.


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butthurt orthodox.everyone from lookism that knows willymonfrete knows I was orthodox for years.Christ led me out of it.
 
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Anyanglover said:
butthurt orthodox.everyone from lookism that knows willymonfrete knows I was orthodox for years.Christ led me out of it.
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the devil has lead you astray toward modernity, degeneracy, and ultimately secularism.

May God have mercy on your soul and lead you to the right path.


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the devil has lead you astray toward modernity, degeneracy, and ultimately secularism.

May God have mercy on your soul and lead you to the right path.


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(n):lul: how are non word of faith charismatics 'modern'degenerate' and 'secular'lol?we follow ALL of the bible..we dont even listen to secular music..we are against lgbtq..we are against divorce...we follow biblical modesty...we are against dating even without phyiscal touch...we dont watch tv or,movies,video games etc
 
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Beloved, this reminds me of an event. A remarkable event in our church that corroborates this statement that Lucifer just made.

In fact, we were visited by the Lord Jesus and His angels Michael and Gabriel and they were talking in voices that were audible to the church. The whole church could hear them although they could not see them. I was able to see them.

I remember in this period in 2007 we were around 40 members. All of them were present in the church. We were experiencing this encounter then one evening the whole church was gathered and the voice of the Lord was addressing the congregation. It was the end of the Lord and Angelic visitation for that day because they were coming every day at 5 p.m. The following day at the same time at 5 p.m. we were gathered and expecting them. Then the Lord came down to the church as usual accompanied by Michael and Gabriel. The whole church was present as we had questions.

We wanted to know why the last time the Lord abruptly stopped delivering the message just like that and why His visit ended when our sister phone rang. On that day the Lord Jesus made it clear to the assembly that every time we are praying we must put the phone off. We must turn off the phone as the ringtone connect Humanity to The Inferno Kingdom of Lucifer. Actually every time humans make calls on the surface of the Earth at noon and midnight and midday the Marine Spirit called HALLOWEEN to enter the network and record the conversation. And the caller is connected to Leviathan, the Marine monster, the representative of Lucifer.

Lucifer's job is to poison Humanity with his Venom and his nature is imparted to human through the phone by the method of Bluetooth. This is the pestilence traveling at noon. These scientists had designed mobile phones and they put the anthem of the infernal world of Lucifer in them. Scientists have coded the anthem of the kingdom of darkness in ringtones and every time these ringtones ring at noon it is the anthem of the kingdom of darkness that is ringing.

It is in this critical moment that the networking demon called Halloween enters the network and connect Humanity to Lucifer and the Marine representative Leviathan who communicates his nature to humanity on the phone precisely at noon. Telephones or mobile phones and even clocks connect Humanity to the Marine Kingdom the kingdom entity the snake Leviathan who spills his Venom against humanity through the network. Leviathan is partly snake and partly crocodile. The first nature key transmitter to humanity or people on the phone is the ability to lie. Have you noticed how it has become easier for people to lie on the phone? Even believers.

You are in a hotel but you claim to be in your office. You are in the East but you claim to be in the West. Leviathan has taught Humanity to lie on the phone and people find it easier to lie on the phone. The snake was the first to lie in the garden and Leviathan is the snake.

These ringtones which are the anthem of Lucifer's Kingdom are called MIDI which in French means noon because in midday there is no shadow and the shadow is all about protection. When there is no Shadow or protection the devil can operate in your phone there are ringtones called MIDI.

It is written he that dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. (Ps 91:1) We know that all cultic people like doing incantation at noon and at midnight as these are their strategic hours and when the clock or mobile phones ring in these hours diabolic nature is imparted to humanity by Leviathan with the assistance of Halloween through phone communications.

As we were still in the auditorium the Archangel Michael said to me, "For you to understand the strategy of music you have to follow me. I will show you something." Then we left the oval Auditorium and we flew above planet Earth and we were hovering over the Earth. I was watching houses here and there as we were flying at very high speed. Then we landed in a bush and as we stood on this bush I noticed something like a pit. The angel asked, "What do you see?" I said, "I can see a huge pit." Then the Angel Michael asked me to get closer and to check.

As I was checking this pit then the archangel said to me to get down inside that pit. I was surprised I said to myself this Angel was with me in the firmament he was with me in the realm of witches and he was with me in the Marine Kingdom, but why is he asking me to get down into the pit alone?

When the Archangel Michael noticed that I was hesitating he raised his voice and said it was an order to get down in that pit! The Archangel Michael talked with authority as he is a military leader. Then I felt a force urging me to get down in the pit. As I was walking down this pit it was getting darker and darker. Then I noticed a corridor and I followed the corridor. I was going down the pit not in my own will but by the power of the word of the archangel. As I was walking in the corridor I noticed at the end of it there was like a way out and when I reach the end of this corridor to my surprise I found myself in a new world. An unknown civilization inside the Earth.

And it was in this Kingdom beneath or inside the earth that I met the demon responsible for secular music. He is called FULFUR which means sound. The kingdom beneath the Earth is characterized by a red color. I told you how I visited the kingdom of witches and how I met the Lord of witchcraft. I came to understand that the reason the Archangel Michael did not travel with me in this Subterranean Kingdom is because of the music. Many nightclubs are always lit with red color and music is played loudly because secular music comes from the red world.

As I was advancing in this Kingdom I saw a football field but I was never explained why it was there. Well moving in this Kingdom I saw a Congolese musician dressed in red entering an office and he saluted the demon of music by saying salute Great Master FULFUR! This demon was hybrid half human half antelope. The Congolese musician signed a contract with this demon for his new album. Actually every time secular music is played on the surface of the Earth the demon FULFUR with her Sirens dressed in underwear get attracted through lightning emitted by that secular music.

Most of our musicians travel beneath the Earth to sign covenants with this demon for the success of their albums. Then I continued to move forward. There was a slim and topless female demon dressed with something like a little skirt. In fact, when I went out of this Kingdom the Archangel Michael asked me, "Did you see the slim lady that was topless?" Michael describes the lady exactly as I saw her through though he did not accompany me to this underground Kingdom. I confirmed to Michael his description and he said to me that the name of the lady is ZAIRE which is the former name of my country. The Archangel said, "Every time in your country when you were saying long live Zaire! ... You were honoring her and she was dominating all your compatriots. She is a demon of music that's why your people are attached to music with obscene dances."

I remember after leaving the pit the Archangel Michael gave Isaiah 14:15 which say but you've been brought down to Sheol, to the deepest part of the pit. When Lucifer was cast down to earth he ended up in the deepest part of the pit.

It is written woe to the earth and the Sea for the devil has come down to you with great anger. (Rev 12:12) The devil excavated the Earth. He dug huge holes under the Earth and he has built kingdoms beneath the Earth.

There is a musician in our country when he is playing a concert he received words of incantation. As a result, the spirits of the deads join him in his concert though they cannot be seen.

Then the Archangel gave me a second passage in Isaiah 14: 11. Your prompt and the music of your hearts have been brought down to Sheol. Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you and worms are your covering.

The Angel Michael said to me that Lucifer has built this underground Kingdom where he has organized the music industry. I mean that secular music that honors him. It is written in Isaiah 14 11 that the devil came down beneath the Earth with the sound of his music but it is written in Amos 5:23 Take away from me the noise of your songs. I will not even listen to the sound of your harps. God does not want to listen to Lucifer music anymore.

When I began to get out of the Kingdom beneath the earth I was climbing something like a stair and it took me one hour to get out. When I reached the surface of the Earth I noticed the Archangel Michael was standing around the pit waiting for me. I was about to ask him why he did not come with me in the Subterranean civilization but he read my mind and said, "If I did not come with you it's because FULFUR means sound. And if I expose myself to that sound I can become Fallen Angel but I swear I will never become a fallen angel." The Archangel said to me, "When you Christian listens to secular music your guardian angels abandon you because they will not listen to it so that they won't become fallen. Secular music puts angels in the proximity of FULFUR."

Michael said, "When your angel leaves you Satan profits from that situation to attack aspects of your life and in this situation, the only thing protecting you is your fear of the Lord and the oil of anointing." Michael told me about the effectiveness of the oil. He said, "You can put one drop of oil on your forehead before sleeping or on your door like the children of Israel put blood, and no witches will ever get in your house."

I remember when I was still around FULFUR throne Room beneath the Earth. He was on his throne when suddenly a bolt of lightning entered and reached his throne. I noticed that he was about to travel out of his throne room to follow the origin of the lightning. Then suddenly a group of female demon Sirens joined him, and they took flight together. The sirens were in underwear. I felt a force Lifting me and I began to follow them. After some time we all landed in a house. I realized that the lightning followed by FULFUR was coming from a TV set that was playing secular music.

I understood why Michael said, "You will understand this strategy." Every time a TV or radio is playing secular music it will be emanating lightning and that will signal Fulfur and that lightning will reach the Throne of Fulfur beneath the Earth. Then he will travel to the source of the lightning whether it is TV, radio, or a phone.
 
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