Looks aren't everything

[Lihito]

Despite what this forum might tell you girls don't want an emotionless dominating 7 foot tall ogre. Girls just want someone that:

1. Will produce good offspring
2. Will keep them safe
3. Won't leave them

The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.
The second is fulfilled if you are: 1. Strong 2. Supportive
The third is fulfilled when a girl knows you are committed to them. You can show this by opening up to them about your emotions or showing interest in them.

People who say: "Looks are everything" are just coping. Obviously looks are important but there are plenty of other factors at play when it comes to relationships. The happy feeling you get when you look at a girl you like will fade after you look at that girl for a couple hundred hours and eventually the thing holding your relationship together will be a sense of companionship not appearance.


*I would agree that looks are everything in a one night stand or fwb relationship but definitely not in a long term relationship

Also to be clear I am 100% correct and if you disagree and think that "looks are everything" how could you ever explain away the fact that a significant portion of the population is in a relationship. Is a significant percentage of the population chad now?

They definietly dont want someone who plays with his anus

 

[Lihito]

If looks are everything then why: have 47% of all adult Americans been married or have been in a committed relationship for more than five years.

Betabuxx and then divorce.
Also 47% is a pathetic number

 

[Lihito]

are we just going to ignore that 30% of men are celibate and the people who make up most of the relationships are from previous generations? Yes? Okay then.

Do we have any zoomer statistics. I believe you but i want to blackpill my normie friends

 

[APJ]

And a lot of the other 70% got laid a few times in the past year and believe that they’re slayers jfl

People ignore ‘underemployment’ when looking at these stats too. Whereas 20 years ago before dating apps when the 70% were getting laid it was with girls closer to their looksmatch than what would be the case nowadays

 

[APJ]

Despite what this forum might tell you girls don't want an emotionless dominating 7 foot tall ogre. Girls just want someone that:

1. Will produce good offspring
2. Will keep them safe
3. Won't leave them

The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.
The second is fulfilled if you are: 1. Strong 2. Supportive
The third is fulfilled when a girl knows you are committed to them. You can show this by opening up to them about your emotions or showing interest in them.

People who say: "Looks are everything" are just coping. Obviously looks are important but there are plenty of other factors at play when it comes to relationships. The happy feeling you get when you look at a girl you like will fade after you look at that girl for a couple hundred hours and eventually the thing holding your relationship together will be a sense of companionship not appearance.


*I would agree that looks are everything in a one night stand or fwb relationship but definitely not in a long term relationship

Also to be clear I am 100% correct and if you disagree and think that "looks are everything" how could you ever explain away the fact that a significant portion of the population is in a relationship. Is a significant percentage of the population chad now?

Many LTRs are social-circle based, and involve a longer period of courtship on the male side than he would like. He has to ‘convince’ the woman of his suitability as a long-term prospect. If you read Buss’ The Evolution of Desire and associated studies this is generally speaking accurate. However, the problem is that:

(1) This is really bad as she’s ‘settling’ and she will take the piss and treat you like a disposable object, with you being in constant fear she’ll cheat or leave (and she well might) with few equivalent options so you do everything she wants

(2) For those of us unwilling to grind it out in social circle for the 2 opportunities a year (in non-covid times!) the ‘looks threshold’ (criterion 1) for online is way way higher, and you have a much shorter window of opportunity to show off your ‘good long-term traits’. Women can also find ‘APJ versions 2, 3, 4, etc.’ at the touch of a button and with minimal effort, and have as little time to assess their suitability, making you appear very fungible. Can you say the same? Even Chads have to grind online, to some degree, and deal with flaking, breadcrumbing and other assorted bullshit. Notice also that part of romantic feelings is due to that narrative creation of crush formation in long-term-exposure settings - pretty difficult to do online

 

[Jew_Supremacist]

If appearance is everything and 47% of all adult Americans been married or in a committed relationship for more than five years then is 47% of the adult male population htn or chadlite?

1) The divorce rate is astronomical
2) The incel epidemic is a relatively recent phenomenon, spurred on by dating app and social media hypergamy, so of course some boomers are going to have wives. The vast majority of American men CANNOT get their looksmatch without some kind of extreme social circle maxxing (e.g. being in a frat) or betabuxxing.
3) Any relationship where the woman doesn't find you viscerally attractive is doomed from the start. She has to know in the back of her mind you have other options, because every girl in America has a hundred simps in her phone waiting for their turn. If you're not chadlite/chad, it's over buddy boyo

 

[randomuser2407]

You're not doing anything for your chest. Close grip bench press is mostly for triceps and you can't go as heavy with it. You're already doing skullcrushers. No need for close grip bench press.

The close-grip bench press works the chest as much as the regular bench press but it provides greater tricep activation, so instead of just building my chest, I'll build my triceps also, which is essential since my arms are only 12 inches in size. Skullcrushers help but doing just that would not be enough, you forget that the triceps are 2/3 of the arm, so I need to give them a lot of tonnage to grow because they are part of the most important muscle groups for a man like me because my arms are extremely long so they need to be as big as possible to look good, 15-16 inches won't be enough, I'll need 18 inch arms, to achieve that, I'll need to get the best triceps possible.

Also, the strength on the close-grip bench press has direct carryover to the regular bench press since they are basically the same lifts, the only difference is that now my strength is limited by my triceps while before it wasn't. So, if I do the lift for a long enough period of time, both my chest and triceps will be huge instead of having just a big chest and small triceps. This lift forces both of them to grow at a similar rate.

 

[Wallenberg]

Consider incline press, either DB or BB, if you care about the aesthetics of the chest.

 

[faggotchadlite]

this image is funny as fuck hahaha

he unironically has a good body in it

 

[reptiles]

And a lot of the other 70% got laid a few times in the past year and believe that they’re slayers jfl

Unironically escort celling mogs

 

[Essonerian]

even so, the girls love the guys who can leave them anytime

this

 

[pizza]

he unironically has a good body in it

Leanmaxxed

 

[Deleted member 1332]

Looks aren't everything?

The first criteria is literally being physically attractive, and the next criteria only matter if that first criteria is met. I never usually say cope because its cringey af, but the OP is pure cope

 

[randomuser2407]

Consider incline press, either DB or BB, if you care about the aesthetics of the chest.

Incline is not necessary, the upper chest is worked just as much on the regular and on the close grip bench press. What you don't understand is that the close grip bench, the incline bench and the regular grip flat bench press are different variations of the same lift so although they work the muscles slightly differently, the difference is not big enough to prevent carryover between each lift. So if I take my close grip bench press from 90 lbs for 10 reps to 175 lbs for 10 reps, my regular bench press will be at around the same level, so at around 175 lbs but probably more because it's easier than close grip.

Variations are often used by intermediate lifters to prevent plateaus because the movement pattern is slightly different which helps prevent the biological law of accomodation.

The only time where there won't be carryover between 2 lifts is when they don't work similar muscles, like if they are not variations.
Or if you do partials, then it won't carry over to full range, which is why rack pulls above the knee don't carry over to deadlifts.

 

[Deleted member 10413]

Looks aren't everything?

The first criteria is literally being physically attractive, and the next criteria only matter if that first criteria is met. I never usually say cope because its cringey af, but the OP is pure cope

You do understand that there's a difference between saying:

"Looks are everything" and "Looks are important" right?

This thread is meant to depute that looks are everything but I do still think that they are important

 

[Deleted member 11370]

Despite what this forum might tell you girls don't want an emotionless dominating 7 foot tall ogre. Girls just want someone that:

1. Will produce good offspring
2. Will keep them safe
3. Won't leave them

The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.
The second is fulfilled if you are: 1. Strong 2. Supportive
The third is fulfilled when a girl knows you are committed to them. You can show this by opening up to them about your emotions or showing interest in them.

People who say: "Looks are everything" are just coping. Obviously looks are important but there are plenty of other factors at play when it comes to relationships. The happy feeling you get when you look at a girl you like will fade after you look at that girl for a couple hundred hours and eventually the thing holding your relationship together will be a sense of companionship not appearance.


*I would agree that looks are everything in a one night stand or fwb relationship but definitely not in a long term relationship

Also to be clear I am 100% correct and if you disagree and think that "looks are everything" how could you ever explain away the fact that a significant portion of the population is in a relationship. Is a significant percentage of the population chad now?

I want 4 wives ill still be comitted to her good plan?

 

[Wallenberg]

Incline is not necessary, the upper chest is worked just as much on the regular and on the close grip bench press. What you don't understand is that the close grip bench, the incline bench and the regular grip flat bench press are different variations of the same lift so although they work the muscles slightly differently, the difference is not big enough to prevent carryover between each lift. So if I take my close grip bench press from 90 lbs for 10 reps to 175 lbs for 10 reps, my regular bench press will be at around the same level, so at around 175 lbs but probably more because it's easier than close grip.

Variations are often used by intermediate lifters to prevent plateaus because the movement pattern is slightly different which helps prevent the biological law of accomodation.

The only time where there won't be carryover between 2 lifts is when they don't work similar muscles, like if they are not variations.
Or if you do partials, then it won't carry over to full range, which is why rack pulls above the knee don't carry over to deadlifts.

Not true at all. An incline bench at a 30-degree angle maximizes upper chest activation. This is important because most people should focus on developing their upper chest to improve their aesthetics. The flat bench press isn't the optimal way to do that because it doesn't activate the upper chest as much as the incline bench. This is not about wide vs close grip; you can do incline bench with both close and wide grip. Actually, close grip might be better for upper chest activation than wide, but it's a different question than flat versus incline bench.

Everyone knows that different bench presses are just variations of bench presses. That's water.

 

[Deleted member 1332]

You do understand that there's a difference between saying:

"Looks are everything" and "Looks are important" right?

This thread is meant to depute that looks are everything but I do still think that they are important

I understand what you think you're saying, but my point is that the criteria you pulled out of thin air doesn't really prove that and really leans more towards the contrary.

From my entire life experience, no women care if you are strong and supportive, or any criteria you can come up with, if they don't find you attractive first. Meaning that if you aren't good looking, gl.

I guess my essential point is that you can get girls without the last 2 criteria that you made, you definetly cannot get them without the first, unless you're acting as their 2nd wallet or they're also low SMV

 

[dysgeniccollapse]

A lot of stupid dudes in this thread, maybe it isn't your looks or personality holding you back but your low intelligence?

 

[randomuser2407]

Not true at all. An incline bench at a 30-degree angle maximizes upper chest activation. This is important because most people should focus on developing their upper chest to improve their aesthetics. The flat bench press isn't the optimal way to do that because it doesn't activate the upper chest as much as the incline bench. This is not about wide vs close grip; you can do incline bench with both close and wide grip. Actually, close grip might be better for upper chest activation than wide, but it's a different question than flat versus incline bench.

Everyone knows that different bench presses are just variations of bench presses. That's water.

Sounds like you've been watching too many Kinobody videos because he is the one who came up with that nonsense.

Everyone else says that the incline bench press isn't necessary to build a big chest and that the flat bench press is enough.
The variations are only helpful to overcome the biological law of accomodation to prevent plateaus on the main version of the lift (flat bench press).

Also, since I do overhead press with a pause and full range of motion, I work my upper chest enough already.

 

[Wallenberg]

Sounds like you've been watching too many Kinobody videos because he is the one who came up with that nonsense.

Everyone else says that the incline bench press isn't necessary to build a big chest and that the flat bench press is enough.
The variations are only helpful to overcome the biological law of accomodation to prevent plateaus on the main version of the lift (flat bench press).

Also, since I do overhead press with a pause and full range of motion, I work my upper chest enough already.

I don't know who Kinobody is, I haven't watched a single Kinobody video.

Incline bench activating more upper chest than the flat bench is very common knowledge among the bodybuilding community. I'm actually surprised that you don't know this because generally, you seem to be a knowledgeable person.

Yes, the flat bench develops a big chest. No one is denying that. However, the incline chest develops an aesthetically more pleasing chest because it activates the upper chest more - and usually, people lack upper chest development while their lower chest is good enough.

Here are just some sources that incline to the view that incline bench is better for upper chest than flat; if you google Incline vs flat bench you will find many more.

Incline vs. Flat Bench

Incline vs. flat bench? Which is the better platform for your workout? We put these two classic exercises in a side-by-side comparison to find out.

www.oldschoollabs.com

The Best "Push Pull Legs" Routine For Muscle Growth (Based On Science)

Learn how to make use of the most effective muscle-building routines: the push pull legs split, where you split your major muscle groups into 3 workouts.

builtwithscience.com

Which Is Better, Incline or Flat Bench Exercises?

Looking to take chest day to a new level, but unsure what kind of bench press is best? Get all of your questions answered here.

www.healthline.com

 

[grimy]

“The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.”

/thread

 

[Deleted member 10413]

“The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.”

/thread

You do understand that there's a difference between saying:

"Looks are everything" and "Looks are important" right?

This thread is meant to depute that looks are everything but I do still think that they are important

 

[Soalian]

You're forgetting the concept of dual mating strategy.

Sure, you don't need to look amazing to get into a relationship but it's better to be seen as a lover than a provider (boyfriend potential vs boyfriend material), because as a lover you get to have as much sex as you want with as many women as you want, while the provider is stuck with the same woman, he has to give her his time, his money, his resources and risk losing everything through marriage/having kids.

Meanwhile, the lover gets all the benefits without any of the drawbacks because he doesn't have to commit.

The main difference between a Chad and an average man is that the Chad can be a lover if he wants, he has the choice of either being a lover or a provider, but the average guy doesn't have that choice, he can either be a provider or an incel.

This is where the concept of the black pill comes from. The black pill tells us that because of women's dual mating strategy, women view most men as providers and some men as lovers, and the winners are the lovers because they don't have to commit and they get everything they want. And it's not like being with a prostitute because the lover doesn't pay for anything except maybe drinks, and the woman is actually attracted to him so it's not a business transaction.

The reason why so many users on looksmax envy better looking men is because they have better sex lives, this has been proven by many tinder experiments and no amount of cope could ever hide that undeniable truth.

I know that lots of guys here are confused, they think that the goal of succeeding with women is to fall in love but it really isn't, unless you're a woman. As men, our goal should be to be able to have sex with as many women as we want as often as we want without having to pay prostitutes.

Also, you don't have to be a Chad to be viewed as a lover by women, you just have to become above average enough that they want to have sex with you. The most important features to achieve that are mainly:


1) Jaw and Chin:

They should not be recessed, this can be fixed with a double jaw surgery, a very safe surgery that costs around 5000$).
Lots of people have this area already thanks to good genetics.

2) Hair:

You don't need really thick hair but you must not be bald or balding, because that will completely ruin a man's attractiveness for most women.

3) Dimorphism:

Some guys look nerdy even when looksmaxxed, this is because of bad dimorphism. Masculine men get laid more than nerdy men.

The best way to increase dimorphism is to get a thicker neck. Most guys start with a 14 inch neck, but with direct neck work, you can get an 18-21 inch neck in less than a year, there are lots of tutorials on youtube for that.

4) Height:

6 foot 2 or taller ideally. Shoes with an elevated heel can fraud your height well, I am able to fraud being 6 foot 7 as a 6 foot 4 man and women think I am taller than I really am. Lots of guys on here think that taller than 6 foot 2 is overkill but it's not, there is no such thing as too tall for women, otherwise NBA players would be incels, not Chads. Frauding my height makes me look more attractive.

5) A muscular ripped physique:

Natural or Enhanced but you need to look big. You don't need to take steroids, you just need to get really strong at the right exercises, especially bent over rows, close grip bench press, overhead press, (tricep) skullcrushers, bicep curls, squats and deadlifts. Those exercises alone will give you the best body of your life if you get really strong at them.

Naturals can build a great body in 2-3 years while steroid users can do it in around 3 months, however, the drawbacks of steroids make them risky, since you're forced to keep taking them even after getting the physique that you want, otherwise you risk losing all your gains. Natural gains, on the other hand, are permanent except if you starve yourself for many months, and even then, your gains will come back quickly when you start training again.

6) Social Skills and Self-Confidence:

You don't have to be a master Pickup Artist, you just need to be able to carry 10 minute conversations when approaching women that you don't know anything about, and you need to be able to ask them out on a date and get their number.

You also need to have the self confidence to approach attractive women when you see them, it doesn't matter if you're shy because unlike what the mainstream media tells us, women can't sense your confidence except if you make it extremely obvious. Being shy is normal, but if your self confidence is so lacking that you can't approach, you'll never meet any women so you'll have no success, even if you're good looking. If you have no self confidence, the best way to increase it is to force yourself to approach lots of women, that will fix the problem, nothing else can fix the problem though, don't let normies convince you of the contrary.

Where is eye area?

 

[Soalian]

You do understand that there's a difference between saying:

"Looks are everything" and "Looks are important" right?

This thread is meant to depute that looks are everything but I do still think that they are important

Looks are an ENABLER for you to showcase the other beneficial aforementioned points.

Good looks will halo and enhance the effects of a great personality (as in, beneficial personality for women), and will also redeem a bad personality, to a degree (nerdy,socially awkward,etc,...).

What you mean here, I think, is that most looksmaxxers here focus so much on looks alone, that they tend to forget to develop other social skills in the process, and,

the more obsessive you are about improving your looks, and the more skin in the game you have in your looks improving, the less relaxed, the more insecure and socially self-conscious you're likely to be, therefore adding to a personality with "unfavorable" traits.

Many people on here don't seem to be getting that.

 

[Deleted member 4332]

Powerlifters do only 3 lifts: the squat, the bench press and the deadlift.

Not true at all.

(good) powerlifters do many other compound movements to improve the big 3, like weighted chin ups, barbell rows and OHP for example, and some accessory lifts to correct weaknesses.

If a 'powerlifter' is ONLY training the big 3, they're a shit powerlifter.

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Despite what this forum might tell you girls don't want an emotionless dominating 7 foot tall ogre. Girls just want someone that:

1. Will produce good offspring
2. Will keep them safe
3. Won't leave them

The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.
The second is fulfilled if you are: 1. Strong 2. Supportive
The third is fulfilled when a girl knows you are committed to them. You can show this by opening up to them about your emotions or showing interest in them.

People who say: "Looks are everything" are just coping. Obviously looks are important but there are plenty of other factors at play when it comes to relationships. The happy feeling you get when you look at a girl you like will fade after you look at that girl for a couple hundred hours and eventually the thing holding your relationship together will be a sense of companionship not appearance.


*I would agree that looks are everything in a one night stand or fwb relationship but definitely not in a long term relationship

Also to be clear I am 100% correct and if you disagree and think that "looks are everything" how could you ever explain away the fact that a significant portion of the population is in a relationship. Is a significant percentage of the population chad now?

Hair > looks and personality

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Not true at all.

(good) powerlifters do many other compound movements to improve the big 3, like weighted chin ups, barbell rows and OHP for example, and some accessory lifts to correct weaknesses.

If a 'powerlifter' is ONLY training the big 3, they're a shit powerlifter.

Indeed minimalist “just do big 3 bro” cope needs to end

 

[Deleted member 4332]

That's why powerlifters who deadlift 400 lbs don't look as good as the guys who just lift free weights for muscle gains.

JFL a 400 deadlift is literally novice tier.

Most serious natty powerlifters are deadlifting at least 500lbs. Yes even the 'lighter' guys too. A 500 deadlift isn't even that crazy either.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

JFL a 400 deadlift is literally novice tier.

Most serious natty powerlifters are deadlifting at least 500lbs. Yes even the 'lighter' guys too. A 500 deadlift isn't even that crazy either.

Most guys with 6 packs and ideal bodies can't deadlift 400 lbs. It's always the incels who do powerlifting with their knee straps.

 

[Deleted member 4332]

Most guys with 6 packs and ideal bodies can't deadlift 400 lbs. It's always the incels who do powerlifting with their knee straps.

I have a visible 4-pack and deadlift 565lbs (1 rep max) without straps. I don't even own knee sleeves (and they don't help deadlifts anyway JFL). You are extremely deluded if you think a 400 deadlift is strong or impressive or whatever

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

I actually agree personality kind of matters.

However personality only matters if you meet the bear minimum cutoff for looks(at least a chadlite). It also matters in a way that's not what the bluepill states. Personality matters more in a way that your NT and not weird/autistic.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

I have a visible 4-pack and deadlift 565lbs (1 rep max) without straps. I don't even own knee sleeves (and they don't help deadlifts anyway JFL). You are extremely deluded if you think a 400 deadlift is strong or impressive or whatever

I never said 400 lb deadlift is impressive. Just said the guys who are in the free weight section look much better than the incels who cope with powerlifting.

 

[randomuser2407]

Not true at all.

(good) powerlifters do many other compound movements to improve the big 3, like weighted chin ups, barbell rows and OHP for example, and some accessory lifts to correct weaknesses.

If a 'powerlifter' is ONLY training the big 3, they're a shit powerlifter.

Yes, but since they do the other exercises as accessory movements and not as main lifts, they are only focusing on building strength on the big 3 which means that their physique will have so many weaknesses and that is because they only want to be strong at the big 3.

A natural bodybuilder who gets strong, in a proportional way on all the important compound movements that I previously mentioned will get really good results in bodybuilding, but he won't be a good powerlifter.

You have to choose between either bodybuilding OR powerlifting, so you can't use powerlifters as an example that strength training doesn't work for building muscle since powerlifters don't have the same fitness goals.

 

[Deleted member 10330]

Yes, but since they do the other exercises as accessory movements and not as main lifts, they are only focusing on building strength on the big 3 which means that their physique will have so many weaknesses and that is because they only want to be strong at the big 3.

A natural bodybuilder who gets strong, in a proportional way on all the important compound movements that I previously mentioned will get really good results in bodybuilding, but he won't be a good powerlifter.

You have to choose between either bodybuilding OR powerlifting, so you can't use powerlifters as an example that strength training doesn't work for building muscle since powerlifters don't have the same fitness goals.

You don't know what you're talking about. Isolation exercises are crucial

 

[randomuser2407]

You don't know what you're talking about. Isolation exercises are crucial

The only isolation exercises that matter are the curl and the skullcrusher (aka tricep extension) for the arms, and the neck curl, neck extension and neck side raise for the ne; and that is because there is no compound movement that will give you big arms or a thick neck, so those muscles have to be trained separately but for every other muscle groups, compound movements are enough.

No amount of side lateral raises, chest flys, leg extensions or leg curls are ever going to change your physique in a meaningful way and that is because those muscles already get enough work from the compound movements. The only times where this isn't true is if you limit yourself to 3 compound movements (like the powerlifters do) or if you use bad form or if you don't do enough volume.

People who think that lateral raises will give them wider shoulders or that wider shoulders are going to make them look wider are morons.

The few cm that you could gain in width in your shoulders isn't going to make nearly as much difference as the width that could be gained in the lats. People always focus on the shoulders but never the lats and this is a big mistake because the back has a much higher potential than the shoulders because it is a bigger muscle group.

 

[cracka]

Despite what this forum might tell you girls don't want an emotionless dominating 7 foot tall ogre. Girls just want someone that:

1. Will produce good offspring
2. Will keep them safe
3. Won't leave them

The first condition is fulfilled if the girl finds you sexually attractive.
The second is fulfilled if you are: 1. Strong 2. Supportive
The third is fulfilled when a girl knows you are committed to them. You can show this by opening up to them about your emotions or showing interest in them.

People who say: "Looks are everything" are just coping. Obviously looks are important but there are plenty of other factors at play when it comes to relationships. The happy feeling you get when you look at a girl you like will fade after you look at that girl for a couple hundred hours and eventually the thing holding your relationship together will be a sense of companionship not appearance.


*I would agree that looks are everything in a one night stand or fwb relationship but definitely not in a long term relationship

Also to be clear I am 100% correct and if you disagree and think that "looks are everything" how could you ever explain away the fact that a significant portion of the population is in a relationship. Is a significant percentage of the population chad now?

you're completely right, too many socially inept people on here trying to cope with the fact that they're weird, they wonder why people still think of them as weird after they mew for a year and fix their skin. They might be able to Hook up with a girl but besides that it's over for them in a relationship, pretty funny too considering that 18-24 year old women don't even really want what these guys are saying, they could care less abt your "hunter eyes" as long as you don't have a negative canthal tilt with eye bags you're fine, it's pretty easy to be attractive, mew, proper diet, collage, skincare, lift, and some acceptable surgeries (hair transplant, rhino, etc)

 

[Deleted member 10330]

The only isolation exercises that matter are the curl and the skullcrusher (aka tricep extension) for the arms, and the neck curl, neck extension and neck side raise for the ne; and that is because there is no compound movement that will give you big arms or a thick neck, so those muscles have to be trained separately but for every other muscle groups, compound movements are enough.

No amount of side lateral raises, chest flys, leg extensions or leg curls are ever going to change your physique in a meaningful way and that is because those muscles already get enough work from the compound movements. The only times where this isn't true is if you limit yourself to 3 compound movements (like the powerlifters do) or if you use bad form or if you don't do enough volume.

People who think that lateral raises will give them wider shoulders or that wider shoulders are going to make them look wider are morons.

The few cm that you could gain in width in your shoulders isn't going to make nearly as much difference as the width that could be gained in the lats. People always focus on the shoulders but never the lats and this is a big mistake because the back has a much higher potential than the shoulders because it is a bigger muscle group.

Cope as usual from someone with a bad physique