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[Deleted member 17763]

not true because astrology doesn't rule out compatibilism

Reread my comment and pay closer attention to the exact language I used this time

 

[ropemax]

Reread my comment and pay closer attention to the exact language I used this time

I did. Now go and read mine again and admit your point isn't valid

 

[Deleted member 17763]

I did. Now go and read mine again and admit your point isn't valid

Your point is interesting but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that belief in astrology is very highly correlated with and thus a good (not saying foolproof) indicator of external locust of control, multiple studies since as far back as the 70s have shown this.

Also it’s not like it’s a black or white thing, everyone is going to fall somewhere on the spectrum. And pretty much everyone, even commie astrology girls with a very external locust of control are certainly going to believe in some amount of free will, no? So then do they not also believe in compatibilism?

 

[Deleted member 15099]

Economic left/right: 0.25
Social libertarian/authoritarian: -3.28

 

[Deleted member 14077]

Idk i just clicked a bunch of buttons

 

[Deleted member 5818]

 

[Offensive Bias]

Epic!!!

 

[ropemax]

Also it’s not like it’s a black or white thing, everyone is going to fall somewhere on the spectrum. And pretty much everyone, even commie astrology girls with a very external locust of control are certainly going to believe in some amount of free will, no? So then do they not also believe in compatibilism?

How can you be a compatibilist if you believe the stars to influence your actions? To be an astrological compatibilist is to see the sky as a map which shows how you're gonna exercise your free will. If you don't accept that premise then you can't call yourself one.


You can believe that there are ways to mitigate the bad influence (traditionally through magick), but then again, that is not in line with the compatibilistic definition of free will and the cosmological model under which the mentioned "commie girls" are operating.

 

[Deleted member 17763]

How can you be a compatibilist if you believe the stars to influence your actions? To be an astrological compatibilist is to see the sky as a map which shows how you're gonna exercise your free will. If you don't accept that premise then you can't call yourself one.


You can believe that there are ways to mitigate the bad influence (traditionally through magick), but then again, that is not in line with the compatibilistic definition of free will and the cosmological model under which the mentioned "commie girls" are operating.

Hold up I thought your original point was that someone could be an astrologist but also believe in free will for many other circumstances and that’s what made the test question a bad political predictor. Maybe I’m not getting the gist of what compatibilism is

 

[ropemax]

Hold up I thought your original point was that someone could be an astrologist but also believe in free will for many other circumstances and that’s what made the test question a bad political predictor. Maybe I’m not getting the gist of what compatibilism is

You can believe in partial or complete determinism, that's one half of the puzzle.

Now, you can either view the spheres as causal actors or simply indicators of your actions. If you believe the former then you must accept free will to not exist because you are just a puppet under planetary influences that determine your reality. @Vermilioncore can explain to you the puppet theory very well.

If you believe them to be indicators then you're still bound by a pre-determined course of events BUT you are the one who is causing these events to happen via exercising your free will.


If the commie girls from your example believe in the causal effects of the planets on their lifes, how can they also believe that they have some amount of free will?

 

[Deleted member 17763]

If the commie girls from your example believe in the causal effects of the planets on their lifes, how can they also believe that they have some amount of free will?

Same reason for other inconsistent beliefs all over the place, cognitive dissonance prevents them from seeing it. They’ll say they can’t fuck a guy cause his signs not compatible but then when chad is the wrong sign it gets overlooked.

How does your argument invalidate my original point though? If people can’t really believe in astrology and free will at the same time (which my point is still that belief in astrology = less belief in free will) then that’s exactly why it’s a good indicator for an external locust of control.

 

[ropemax]

How does your argument invalidate my original point though? If people can’t really believe in astrology and free will at the same time (which my point is still that belief in astrology = less belief in free will) then that’s exactly why it’s a good indicator for an external locust of control

This test is scripted to move you on the axis based on the answers you give. Failing to consider that there are different philosophical positions one can stand by to explain the underlying mechanisms of astrology is what leads to false results ergo this is a very poorly constructed question

 

[Deleted member 17763]

This test is scripted to move you on the axis based on the answers you give. Failing to consider that there are different philosophical positions one can stand by to explain the underlying mechanisms of astrology is what leads to false results ergo this is a very poorly constructed question

Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree that it’s certainly not a super accurate question, I mean aside from what you’re saying someone could have an external locust of control while still not believing in astrology at all. Maybe for them this belief shows up in religiousness or something although the test asked about that too.

I still don’t understand this though.

If you believe them to be indicators then you're still bound by a pre-determined course of events BUT you are the one who is causing these events to happen via exercising your free will.

How can you believe you’re bound to a pre determined course of events but also believe that you’re causing the events to happen with your own free will? I don’t get how that’s not mutually exclusive and thus I don’t get how this is any different than the other philosophical position you presented

 

[ropemax]

How can you believe you’re bound to a pre determined course of events but also believe that you’re causing the events to happen with your own free will? I don’t get how that’s not mutually exclusive and thus I don’t get how this is any different than the other philosophical position you presented

This is the essence of compatibilism. Trouble in grasping this idea stems from the intuitive understanding of free will as the ability to choose either option that is presented to you, or "do otherwise" (libertarian free will). This is not the definition of free will that compatibilists use; instead, they say that free will is the ability to do what you desire without external constraints preventing you from such.


Imagine you're standing in an empty room with 2 doors before you and you have to choose which one you're gonna walk through. You decide to walk through the left door. It turns out the right door was locked. This was pre-determined - you couldn't have chosen the other door (you'd be pulling the handle to no avail, after which you'd give up and walk through the left door), it was merely an illusion, but did this hinder your free will? No, you chose the left door on your own accord as a free agent.

If i was standing next to you holding a gun to your temple and telling you to pick the left door, that's called fatalism. In astrological context it is the belief that the spheres act as external agents that cause the events you're living out on Earth


Applying the compatibilistic idea to astrology, one can simply view the sky as a novel that details the choices you're going to make to arrive at your fate.

 

[TsarTsar444]

This one is much better then the one you posted OP, it also shows your social views. Many here are confused why they are left wing, but right and left on thus test is based on your view of economics, not social views @BigBiceps @n0rthface

 

[Harold O'brien]

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This one is much better then the one you posted OP, it also shows your social views. Many here are confused why they are left wing, but right and left on thus test is based on your view of economics, not social views @BigBiceps @n0rthface

This got me spot on

 

[TsarTsar444]

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This got me spot on

Worst possible ideology

 

[Deleted member 5818]

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This got me spot on

how can you be all cops are bastards while being an authoritarian cuck

 

[Harold O'brien]

how can you be all cops are bastards while being an authoritarian cuck

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when did I say this. the police are very important to society

 

[BigBiceps]

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This one is much better then the one you posted OP, it also shows your social views. Many here are confused why they are left wing, but right and left on thus test is based on your view of economics, not social views @BigBiceps @n0rthface

The questions were pretty much the same

 

[reborn]

Seems like I am the only one who is right wing libertarian. It's true though. This is how I see myself, too and the party I am voting for is right wing libertarian, too.

EDIT: You guys are leftist cucks!

 

[Deleted member 17763]

This is the essence of compatibilism. Trouble in grasping this idea stems from the intuitive understanding of free will as the ability to choose either option that is presented to you, or "do otherwise" (libertarian free will). This is not the definition of free will that compatibilists use; instead, they say that free will is the ability to do what you desire without external constraints preventing you from such.


Imagine you're standing in an empty room with 2 doors before you and you have to choose which one you're gonna walk through. You decide to walk through the left door. It turns out the right door was locked. This was pre-determined - you couldn't have chosen the other door (you'd be pulling the handle to no avail, after which you'd give up and walk through the left door), it was merely an illusion, but did this hinder your free will? No, you chose the left door on your own accord as a free agent.

If i was standing next to you holding a gun to your temple and telling you to pick the left door, that's called fatalism. In astrological context it is the belief that the spheres act as external agents that cause the events you're living out on Earth


Applying the compatibilistic idea to astrology, one can simply view the sky as a novel that details the choices you're going to make to arrive at your fate.

That was very clear and thorough thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, I finally get the distinction and your point now. Very interesting concept

 

[Deleted member 4362]

Why are u stormcels suprosed u got facist left? Isn’t that what white nationalism is based on, hard right is just for retards + economically doesn’t align with nationalism @n0rthface @cloUder @BigBiceps

 

[ropemax]

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This one is much better then the one you posted OP, it also shows your social views. Many here are confused why they are left wing, but right and left on thus test is based on your view of economics, not social views @BigBiceps @n0rthface

I got pretty much the same result

 

[BigBiceps]

Why are u stormcels suprosed u got facist left? Isn’t that what white nationalism is based on, hard right is just for retards + economically doesn’t align with nationalism @n0rthface @cloUder @BigBiceps

I don't know, would've expected it to be a bit right leaning. Well now I know I'm a leftist.

 

[thecel]

Your Political Compass​

Economic Left/Right: -0.5​

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38​

 

[thecel]

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This one is much better then the one you posted OP, it also shows your social views. Many here are confused why they are left wing, but right and left on thus test is based on your view of economics, not social views @BigBiceps @n0rthface

oof

I see myself as conservative because I’m strongly opposed to modern-day cultural degeneracy, which the test didn’t directly ask about.

 

[thecel]

Worst possible ideology

Why?

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Seems accurate. I'm centrist af

 

[Deleted member 16275]

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Holy shit i got something very similar, FailedNormieManlet sama

 

[Deleted member 15674]

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Holy shit i got something very similar, FailedNormieManlet sama

You faggot

 

[Deleted member 16275]

You faggot

Btw what does authoritarian and libertarian and left and right mean?

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Btw what does authoritarian and libertarian and left and right mean?

Google it and go down the rabbit hole of politics

 

[Deleted member 16275]

Google it and go down the rabbit hole of politics

I just discovered 4chan a few days ago. Went to /pol/. Seems like a nazi incel place

 

[Deleted member 15674]

I just discovered 4chan a few days ago. Went to /pol/. Seems like a nazi incel place

Browse /fit/, pol is okay