Lose your Hairline or Fertility (Kids)

[kief]

New study saying that dutasteride vs finasteride both have an affect on fertility and sperm quality/count
No kids or no hair?

 

[Orc]

I was already infertile before I started taking it.

yet my cum looks like the most fertile glue on earth for whatever reason.

 

[nuisance]

we knew finasteride affects sperm count and fertility even before this study

I just watched it an see that it shows that it is persistant damn nigga hopefully I can still have kids I took it for 8 months

 

[SlayerJonas]

I was already infertile before I started taking it.

yet my cum looks like the most fertile glue on earth for whatever reason.

And mine has the consistency of water while only on TRT.

 

[JohnDoe]

Taking dut/fin is a brainlet move. High IQcels know balding is a metabolic disease and there are many reasons for it and DHT is not the root cause and is not a "useless" hormone after puberty. If i was a betting man, i'd bet on most of these fin/dut users having abnormal kids with some kind of fucked up thing, whether it's autism or some other bad genes or whatever due to fin/dut affecting 10000+ genes.

 

[dookielooksmaxxer]

Taking dut/fin is a brainlet move. High IQcels know balding is a metabolic disease and there are many reasons for it and DHT is not the root cause and is not a "useless" hormone after puberty.

wait wat

explain more please

 

[Foreverbrad]

RU peptide and Ketoconazole shampoo will hopefully restore my NW1 to NW0

 

[Orc]

And mine has the consistency of water while only on TRT.

that didn't affect it either.

neither did finasteride, or anything else I'm doing.

 

[JohnDoe]

wait wat

explain more please

you can read bewusst or jonas/2008's thread on it but i was going to make a massive thread with all the info i've collected on the subject but i opt'd not to post it here because the forum is shit. My only advice is to never take these drugs if you want to remain a man.

 

[JohnDoe]

that didn't affect it either.

neither did finasteride, or anything else I'm doing.

buddy you are roided to the gills and on god knows how many different chemicals

 

[nuisance]

Taking dut/fin is a brainlet move. High IQcels know balding is a metabolic disease and there are many reasons for it and DHT is not the root cause and is not a "useless" hormone after puberty. If i was a betting man, i'd bet on most of these fin/dut users having abnormal kids with some kind of fucked up thing, whether it's autism or some other bad genes or whatever due to fin/dut affecting 10000+ genes.

give solutions to my receding hairline, ive dropped fin a long time ago

 

[Deleted member 115100]

Taking dut/fin is a brainlet move. High IQcels know balding is a metabolic disease and there are many reasons for it and DHT is not the root cause and is not a "useless" hormone after puberty. If i was a betting man, i'd bet on most of these fin/dut users having abnormal kids with some kind of fucked up thing, whether it's autism or some other bad genes or whatever due to fin/dut affecting 10000+ genes.

Yeah
You can just take natural dht blocker foods and cope with minox

Either way Hair transplant is solid option

 

[Deleted member 115100]

give solutions to my receding hairline, ive dropped fin a long time ago

HT

 

[Orc]

buddy you are roided to the gills and on god knows how many different chemicals

and yet my semen quality is very high.

 

[Deleted member 115100]

I was already infertile before I started taking it.

yet my cum looks like the most fertile glue on earth for whatever reason.

If you were infertile then how?

 

[kief]

Yeah
You can just take natural dht blocker foods and cope with minox

Either way Hair transplant is solid option

Minoxidil may give you a heart attack

 

[JohnDoe]

Yeah
You can just take natural dht blocker foods and cope with minox

Either way Hair transplant is solid option

hair transplant is a viable option and too many people get conned int othinking they HAVE to take fin after it, no you don't. I know a lot of men personally who have had HTs and never taken fin and they look fine years later, some of them have a little thinning behind the transplanted hair but very minor and nothing a minor 2nd HT couple years down the line won't fix. Beats the hell out of chemically castrating yourself.

 

[Deleted member 115100]

Minoxidil may give you a heart attack

Tf

 

[Orc]

If you were infertile then how?

don't know, but it's thick as fuck and pearly white.

 

[kief]

and yet my semen quality is very high.

What’s your cycle if you don’t mind me asking

 

[nuisance]

HT

I mean thats the plan, but its unsustainable if my shit decides to speed up thankfully its going slow with a hair transplant if it keeps goin it will look bad in my 30s

 

[SlayerJonas]

Taking dut/fin is a brainlet move. High IQcels know balding is a metabolic disease and there are many reasons for it and DHT is not the root cause and is not a "useless" hormone after puberty. If i was a betting man, i'd bet on most of these fin/dut users having abnormal kids with some kind of fucked up thing, whether it's autism or some other bad genes or whatever due to fin/dut affecting 10000+ genes.

They cant have any kids on 5ARIs

balding is due to androgens binding to the androgen receptor thus causing negative modulation of the hair follicle environment by factors like igf1, wnt/ß-catenin pathway downregulation etc.

and DHT + 5ar arent useless after puberty, they have big importance in the brain as neurosteroids and in the penile tissue for correct semen production. most of the people experience watery cum on 5ARIs. and some other stuff

and yes they affect a ton of genes

but just be aware that balding really is due to the AR activation and gene expression, coming from a knowledgeable individual on the topic. (me)

 

[Deleted member 91663]

New study saying that dutasteride vs finasteride both have an affect on fertility and sperm quality/count
No kids or no hair?

Classic Rehab Room.

Even the study he cites does not claim that the drugs make you infertile.

It's just the same relentless, defeatist, nihilistic bullshit with this guy.

According to the FDA:

"At 52 weeks, the mean percent reductions from baseline in total sperm count, semen volume, and sperm motility were 23%, 26%, and 18%, respectively, in the dutasteride group when adjusted for changes from baseline in the placebo group. Sperm concentration and sperm morphology were unaffected."

 

[JohnDoe]

They cant have any kids on 5ARIs

balding is due to androgens binding to the androgen receptor thus causing negative modulation of the hair follicle environment by factors like igf1, wnt/ß-catenin pathway downregulation etc.

and DHT + 5ar arent useless after puberty, they have big importance in the brain as neurosteroids and in the penile tissue for correct semen production. most of the people experience watery cum on 5ARIs. and some other stuff

and yes they affect a ton of genes

but just be aware that balding really is due to the AR activation and gene expression, coming from a knowledgeable individual on the topic. (me)

I just don't think it's viable to take 5ARIs, it's not worth it as a man. And i also firmly believe you can tackle hair loss without 5ARIs "naturally" with a bunch of different techniques'methods/ways to go about it.

 

[JohnDoe]

@Jonas2k7 i will pm you all the info i have collected sometime soon when i've put it together and will see what you think about it

 

[nuisance]

hair transplant is a viable option and too many people get conned int othinking they HAVE to take fin after it, no you don't. I know a lot of men personally who have had HTs and never taken fin and they look fine years later, some of them have a little thinning behind the transplanted hair but very minor and nothing a minor 2nd HT couple years down the line won't fix. Beats the hell out of chemically castrating yourself.

depends on the rate of balding

But i mean for majority of balding people its slow, I wish i never took fin i still have a slightly reduced libido. Im sure i could have rode it out with minoxidil and two hair transplants until my mid 30s

 

[JohnBaza]

They cant have any kids on 5ARIs

balding is due to androgens binding to the androgen receptor thus causing negative modulation of the hair follicle environment by factors like igf1, wnt/ß-catenin pathway downregulation etc.

and DHT + 5ar arent useless after puberty, they have big importance in the brain as neurosteroids and in the penile tissue for correct semen production. most of the people experience watery cum on 5ARIs. and some other stuff

and yes they affect a ton of genes

but just be aware that balding really is due to the AR activation and gene expression, coming from a knowledgeable individual on the topic. (me)

i am hopping on fin next month

 

[Deleted member 115100]

don't know, but it's thick as fuck and pearly white.

Yeah ik the corrwlation between colour and sperm is weird

My sperm was watery but in test my count was 178million/ml which is considered good

 

[nuisance]

@Jonas2k7 i will pm you all the info i have collected sometime soon when i've put it together and will see what you think about it

keep me in your thoughts aswell, Im trying everything

 

[JohnBaza]

I just don't think it's viable to take 5ARIs, it's not worth it as a man. And i also firmly believe you can tackle hair loss without 5ARIs "naturally" with a bunch of different techniques'methods/ways to go about it.

''methods'' but doesnt share it @Jonas2k7

 

[SlayerJonas]

I just don't think it's viable to take 5ARIs, it's not worth it as a man. And i also firmly believe you can tackle hair loss without 5ARIs "naturally" with a bunch of different techniques'methods/ways to go about it.

Man, I'd love to agree with you but the body is working against us in terms of hair loss. I can only explain the biology behind it, if you decide to believe it is on you. "Natural methods" are either not efficacious enough or use the same pathways.

@Jonas2k7 i will pm you all the info i have collected sometime soon when i've put it together and will see what you think about it

Okay, great

 

[nuisance]

this nigga so fucking stupid I can belive I used to watch him

 

[JohnBaza]

Man, I'd love to agree with you but the body is working against us in terms of hair loss. I can only explain the biology behind it, if you decide to believe it is on you. "Natural methods" are either not efficacious enough or use the same pathways.

Okay, great

this nigga so fucking stupid I can belive I used to watch him

Risk of Infertility at 1mg/day (hair loss dose):​

The risk is considered very low, but not zero. Most men tolerate 1 mg/day (the dose in Propecia) without noticeable changes to fertility.

What the research shows:​

• Most studies show no significant effect on sperm count or fertility at the 1 mg dose.
• However, rare case reports have documented:
  • Decreased sperm count or motility
  • Low ejaculate volume
  • Reversible infertility after stopping finasteride

In almost all reported cases, sperm parameters improved after stopping the drug within a few months (typically 3–6 months).

When might effects kick in?​

• If they occur, negative effects may take months to show up—this isn’t an overnight thing.
• Similarly, recovery (if needed) takes a few months after stopping.

To put it in perspective:​

Dose	Common Effect on Fertility	Risk Level
1 mg/day	Rare, usually reversible	Very low
5 mg/day	Higher risk in some men	Low to moderate

---

TL;DR:​

If you’re otherwise healthy and taking 1 mg/day, your chances of infertility are very small, especially in the short to medium term. But if you’re:

• Actively trying to conceive
• Having trouble with fertility
• Concerned about even minimal risk

Then it’s smart to monitor sperm health or consider pausing the medication temporarily.


Want to talk alternatives for hair loss that don’t impact fertility?

 

[Deleted member 115100]

Yeah ik the corrwlation between colour and sperm is weird

My sperm was watery but in test my count was 178million/ml which is considered good

@Jonas2k7 @JohnDoe @Orc @nuisance

 

[JohnBaza]

Risk of Infertility at 1mg/day (hair loss dose):​

The risk is considered very low, but not zero. Most men tolerate 1 mg/day (the dose in Propecia) without noticeable changes to fertility.

What the research shows:​

• Most studies show no significant effect on sperm count or fertility at the 1 mg dose.
• However, rare case reportshave documented:
  • Decreased sperm count or motility
  • Low ejaculate volume
  • Reversible infertility after stopping finasteride

When might effects kick in?​

• If they occur, negative effects may take months to show up—this isn’t an overnight thing.
• Similarly, recovery (if needed) takes a few months after stopping.

To put it in perspective:​

Dose	Common Effect on Fertility	Risk Level
1 mg/day	Rare, usually reversible	Very low
5 mg/day	Higher risk in some men	Low to moderate

---

TL;DR:​

If you’re otherwise healthy and taking 1 mg/day, your chances of infertility are very small, especially in the short to medium term. But if you’re:

• Actively trying to conceive
• Having trouble with fertility
• Concerned about even minimal risk

Then it’s smart to monitor sperm health or consider pausing the medication temporarily.


Want to talk alternatives for hair loss that don’t impact fertility?

btw I dont give a shit about that gene shit. I care more about my hair than some ''kids'' I might have in 20 years

 

[DR. NICKGA]

I readed the study, persistent abnormalities in semen parameters will not cause permanent infertility like people claim

Ofcourse when this study came retards on reddit and more started fearmongering and crying about dutasteride causing "chronic infertility"

There is also many wrong things about the study, lucky kevin explain it all

 

[Deleted member 115100]

Classic Rehab Room.

Even the study he cites does not claim that the drugs make you infertile.

It's just the same relentless, defeatist, nihilistic bullshit with this guy.

According to the FDA:

"At 52 weeks, the mean percent reductions from baseline in total sperm count, semen volume, and sperm motility were 23%, 26%, and 18%, respectively, in the dutasteride group when adjusted for changes from baseline in the placebo group. Sperm concentration and sperm morphology were unaffected."

He is extremely defatist not even nihilistic

 

[nuisance]

Risk of Infertility at 1mg/day (hair loss dose):​

The risk is considered very low, but not zero. Most men tolerate 1 mg/day (the dose in Propecia) without noticeable changes to fertility.

What the research shows:​

• Most studies show no significant effect on sperm count or fertility at the 1 mg dose.
• However, rare case reportshave documented:
  • Decreased sperm count or motility
  • Low ejaculate volume
  • Reversible infertility after stopping finasteride

When might effects kick in?​

• If they occur, negative effects may take months to show up—this isn’t an overnight thing.
• Similarly, recovery (if needed) takes a few months after stopping.

To put it in perspective:​

Dose	Common Effect on Fertility	Risk Level
1 mg/day	Rare, usually reversible	Very low
5 mg/day	Higher risk in some men	Low to moderate

---

TL;DR:​

If you’re otherwise healthy and taking 1 mg/day, your chances of infertility are very small, especially in the short to medium term. But if you’re:

• Actively trying to conceive
• Having trouble with fertility
• Concerned about even minimal risk

Then it’s smart to monitor sperm health or consider pausing the medication temporarily.


Want to talk alternatives for hair loss that don’t impact fertility?

This is what everybody belived until this study came out, The study says the damage is permanent

 

[nuisance]

I readed the study, persistent abnormalities in semen parameters will not cause a permanent infertility like people claim

Ofcourse retards on reddit and more started fearmongering and crying about fertility

There is many wrong with the study, lucky kevin explain it

kevin dicksucker

If one day a study came out that 100% proved PFS or infertility he would still deny it

 

[JohnBaza]

This is what everybody belived until this study came out, The study says the damage is permanent

link the study i dnrd sorry

 

[nuisance]

link the study i dnrd sorry

Clinical and Experimental Reproductive Medicine

 

[DR. NICKGA]

I readed the study, persistent abnormalities in semen parameters will not cause
permanent infertility like people claim

Ofcourse when this study came retards on reddit and more started fearmongering and crying about dutasteride causing "chronic infertility"

There is many wrong with the study, lucky kevin explain it

Edited it*

kevin dicksucker

If one day a study came out that 100% proved PFS or infertility he would still deny it

Muhh muhh

You are a pussy

 

[JohnBaza]

Clinical and Experimental Reproductive Medicine

damn the norwood reaper really doesnt take no for an answer

 

[JohnBaza]

Clinical and Experimental Reproductive Medicine

but bro this is about dutasteride not FEINasteride

 

[SlayerJonas]

i am hopping on fin next month

Risk of Infertility at 1mg/day (hair loss dose):​

The risk is considered very low, but not zero. Most men tolerate 1 mg/day (the dose in Propecia) without noticeable changes to fertility.

What the research shows:​

• Most studies show no significant effect on sperm count or fertility at the 1 mg dose.
• However, rare case reportshave documented:
  • Decreased sperm count or motility
  • Low ejaculate volume
  • Reversible infertility after stopping finasteride

When might effects kick in?​

• If they occur, negative effects may take months to show up—this isn’t an overnight thing.
• Similarly, recovery (if needed) takes a few months after stopping.

To put it in perspective:​

Dose	Common Effect on Fertility	Risk Level
1 mg/day	Rare, usually reversible	Very low
5 mg/day	Higher risk in some men	Low to moderate

---

TL;DR:​

If you’re otherwise healthy and taking 1 mg/day, your chances of infertility are very small, especially in the short to medium term. But if you’re:

• Actively trying to conceive
• Having trouble with fertility
• Concerned about even minimal risk

Then it’s smart to monitor sperm health or consider pausing the medication temporarily.


Want to talk alternatives for hair loss that don’t impact fertility?

I never said it makes permanently infertile, if you get kids while on 5ARIs though your kids will either develop abnormally or die in the womb if they make it that far in the first place.

 

[JohnBaza]

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I never said it makes permanently infertile, if you get kids while on 5ARIs though your kids will either develop abnormally or die in the womb if they make it that far in the first place.

Ai is the future bro learn to work with it

 

[JohnBaza]

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I never said it makes permanently infertile, if you get kids while on 5ARIs though your kids will either develop abnormally or die in the womb if they make it that far in the first place.

Clinical and Experimental Reproductive Medicine

So here's the deal. You're thinking about taking something for hair loss, right? There are two main meds people look at: finasteride and dutasteride.


Now, they both do a similar thing—they block a hormone called DHT (which is the big villain when it comes to male pattern baldness). But here’s the key difference:

Finasteride = Chill Little Brother​

• Blocks one type of the DHT-producing enzyme.
• Helps with hair loss, especially at 1 mg/day.
• Most guys have very few side effects, and it’s been around for years.
• Fertility risks? Super low. Like, very rare, and usually reversible if they happen.

Dutasteride = Stronger, Not Always Better​

• Blocks two types of the DHT enzyme. So yeah, more powerful.
• Can be better for hair loss in some people, but...
• It sticks around in your body way longer (like, months).
• And yeah—there’s growing evidence it can mess with sperm quality, especially if you take it for over a year and a half.

So, in short:

Finasteride? Usually safe, works fine for most, low risk.
Dutasteride? Stronger, but can be risky—especially long-term, especially for fertility.

If you're not trying to have kids anytime soon, finasteride’s probably a pretty safe bet. But if fertility is something you're thinking about, it's smart to just keep an eye on it or chat with a doc first.


Want help figuring out a game plan for hair loss that's low-risk?

 

[blknswag]

Haircafe already debunked this, Rehabroom has fallen off so fucking bad recently, horrible videos

 

[JohnBaza]

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I never said it makes permanently infertile, if you get kids while on 5ARIs though your kids will either develop abnormally or die in the womb if they make it that far in the first place.

fuck them kids nigga my hair is precious

 

[JohnBaza]

@RealFunkyFlamingo your using finasteride right? did you notice any side effects