Low estrogen leads to osteoporosis. Lower estrogen = more break down of the face bones/low bone density

[Jerryterry129]

No wonder these bodybuilders who take AIs like josh bridgeman all get saggy ass faces after

cause they’re literally losing bones in there face lmao. Which causes the skin to sag since there’s less bone pressing up against it

 

[Lawton88]

Do males have lower estrogen levels as they get up in their 30s and 40s? Does it need to be lower as testosterone levels decrease with age?

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

No wonder these bodybuilders who take AIs like josh bridgeman all get saggy ass faces after

cause they’re literally losing bones in there face lmao. Which causes the skin to sag since there’s less bone pressing up against it

So i shouldn t roidsmax

 

[ChristianChad]

No wonder these bodybuilders who take AIs like josh bridgeman all get saggy ass faces after

cause they’re literally losing bones in there face lmao. Which causes the skin to sag since there’s less bone pressing up against it

Or maybe cuz of other effects of steroids kek

 

[pizza]

Or maybe cuz of other effects of steroids kek

 

[tiagomiguel]

I think there is a lot of missconception about estrogen.
Basically is all about the ratio: Test and estrogen.. You will look like a feminine soy boy not because of high estrogen, it has to do wih both low T and low E. The ideal is high natural T with a healthy amout of aromatisation to estrogen - a golden ratio (forget what is was, lazy to search). Estrogen is also key to a good heart health.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

yes you need a balance of both. Both hormones play key roles

 

[Deleted member 275]

Fat people (high estrogen) seem to develop big frames tbh.

 

[redfacccee]

yep this is true i have very low e went to the orthodontist and she said my tooth bones are that of a 35-40yo jfl

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

Fat people (high estrogen) seem to develop big frames tbh.

People with big frames gain fat/weight easy that s why

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Fat people (high estrogen) seem to develop big frames tbh.

i gain fat easily though

 

[JosephGarrot123]

People with big frames gain fat/weight easy that s why

true

 

[Phillybeard1996]

People with big frames gain fat/weight easy that s why

How can you tell if u have a big frame?

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

How can you tell if u have a big frame?

Wrists/ankles/head size/ribcage/shoe size /hand size/elbow size

 

[Phillybeard1996]

Wrists/ankles/head size/ribcage/shoe size /hand size/elbow size

Don't most bodybuilders have big frames?

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

Don't most bodybuilders have big frames?

No LOL . They are filled with muscles, their wrists are the same. Examples:Frank Zane, or David Laid

 

[Phillybeard1996]

No LOL . They are filled with muscles, their wrists are the same. Examples:Frank Zane, or David Laid

There's also many bodybuilders that have a large ribcage broad shoulders ect. You can have wide shoulders but small joints which is great for bodybuilding.

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

There's also many bodybuilders that have a large ribcage broad shoulders ect. You can have wide shoulders but small joints which is great for bodybuilding.

You can't change your frame. There are bodybuilders with small frame and big frame.

 

[ArmadilioZaur]

You can't change your frame. There are bodybuilders with small frame and big frame.

I want strength so i want big frame

 

[Phillybeard1996]

You can't change your frame. There are bodybuilders with small frame and big frame.

I know what I am saying is ideal for bodybuilding is wide shoulder frame but small joints.

 

[Deleted member 13462]

No wonder these bodybuilders who take AIs like josh bridgeman all get saggy ass faces after

cause they’re literally losing bones in there face lmao. Which causes the skin to sag since there’s less bone pressing up against it

so if you take test should u take a small amount of estrogen?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

so if you take test should u take a small amount of estrogen?

 

[Deleted member 5818]

nobody here knows anything

braindead thread

no i will not elaborate, goodbye

 

[ChristianChad]

Fat people (high estrogen) seem to develop big frames tbh.

That's simply due to high osteogensis

 

[Jerryterry129]

nobody here knows anything

braindead thread

no i will not elaborate, goodbye

It’s a fact that estrogen is more important than test for bone density and how much bone you create/lose on the face

Low estrogen decreases bone mass and increases bone turn over(bad)

 

[Jerryterry129]

so if you take test should u take a small amount of estrogen?

I just wouldn’t take an ai if I was on test cause you’ll automatically have more estrogen when on test.

but a bunch of dudes like 80% of men on trt are on ais

 

[Jerryterry129]

Do males have lower estrogen levels as they get up in their 30s and 40s? Does it need to be lower as testosterone levels decrease with age?

Honestly not sure

This study says estrogen lowers in men with age too

The Role of Androgens and Estrogens on Healthy Aging and Longevity

Aging is associated with a loss of sex hormone in both men (andropause) and women (menopause). In men, reductions in testosterone can trigger declines in muscle mass, bone mass, and in physical function. In women, the impact of the loss of sex hormones, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Serum levels of both estrogens and androgens decrease with age (108) and are inversely associated with the risk of fracture in aging men.”

also 5ar raises estrogen
off topic: I read some theory on hairlosstalk about the actual process of aromatization is more important than actual estrogen for hair regrowth/skin. Idk if that applies to bones and idk if it’s even true but it was interesting

 

[grimy]

There's also many bodybuilders that have a large ribcage broad shoulders ect. You can have wide shoulders but small joints which is great for bodybuilding.

This is me, wide shoulders but TINY wrists and ankles. How is this ideal though, I thought small wrists limit the amount of mass you can get?

 

[Lawton88]

This is me, wide shoulders but TINY wrists and ankles. How is this ideal though, I thought small wrists limit the amount of mass you can get?

As long as they aren't too small its makes a 16 to 17 inch arm look more impressive than it would on a large wristed person.

 

[FuckMyLowerThird]

That's simply due to high osteogensis